Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

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Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

Postby steve vegas » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:10 pm

Dave Emory calls Sammy Al-Arian, Sammy the Aryan, based in part at least on information provided by John Loftus, who it turns out is at least a part-time commentator for F*X "News". Al-Arian seems to be a darling of the left and has martyr-status as a victim of the patriot act, pinched by the man for telling his "truth" to students in his classroom (FYI: I consider myself to be a Leftist or at least a Left Sympathizer). The right on the other hand villifies Sammy as a Terrorist bad guy, a fundraiser for Islamic Jihad.<br><br>Emory documents all sorts of ties between Al-Arian and BushCo and posits that the trial was fixed from the outset, background <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/12/ftr-538-bushs-buddythe-acquittal-of.html">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> and of course links links Sammy to the fascist/nazi underground stream of the Muslim Brotherhood. <br><br>Now I love to listen to Emory, the guy is fascinating, a cypher(sic) but fascinating. I have never known whether or not to trust him after the power struggle over the Mae Brussell Library that occurred after her death, I tend to favor John Judge in that battle. Here is a link to Dave's side of it in the form of an interview w/<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.spitfirelist.com/KBI.html">Keyenne</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> of May's daughters. Here's more on the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/mae.html">Research Center battle.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>So my question is:<br>What is the right wing up to in villifying Sammy Al-Arian in their official mouthpiece(s), but at the same time, according to Emory and Loftus, actually working to get the guy off in the background. Who's zooming who?<br><br>and <br><br>Is the Left completely deluded in this, or are they falling into the cleverly set trap of the right, or are Emory and Loftus disinfo agents?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

Postby anotherdrew » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:25 pm

it's a merry-go-round, they get to "look good" for couragously crusading against the guy and the 'left' is cast in the familiar sterotypical role repigs always seek to reinforce in casual observers. Since Al-Arian never get's disapeared to cuba, it's a convient way for that side to play the underdog martyr, a role the love to see themselves in. So it becomes a good cause used to draw in fresh meat for the repug activist machine.<br><br>==<br><br>didn't know Loftus was on F*X much, I'm guessing they have him on as an occational expert for hire, what sort of things have you seen him talking about? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

Postby steve vegas » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:38 pm

I actually haven't seen him on Fox, he mentioned it in one of his interviews w/Emory and I also saw mention of it one of Loftus' own websites, though I can't find it now. In <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156217,00.html">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> story he's cited as a F*X News contributor<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>However, John Loftus, a security analyst and FOX News contributor, said that the evacuation plan showed major flaws in the federal government's security plan.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I guess that makes him unaffliated, which is good, I like his spiel, but alarm bells go off when I hear the "F" word.<br><br>I think your analysis is probably correct. I was listening to Democracy Now! though and they had a legal guy talking about the case, which jarred my memory of Emory's coverage of Sammy the Aryan (his words) and made me wonder what the hell is up with that case. <p></p><i></i>
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Loftus and the "Intelligence Summit"

Postby starroute » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:07 pm

I've lost a lot of faith in Loftus since running into recent material on him as president of something called the Intelligence Summit,. Here are some quotes on events involving him and tapes of Saddam supposedly talking about smuggling WMDs out of Iraq. I haven't come close to figuring out yet what's really going on here, so I'm just going to present them without commentary. (Though, on edit, I'm putting one thing in boldface which may be significant.):<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/congresss-secret-saddam-tapes.html">regimechangeiran.blogspot...tapes.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Tuesday, February 07, 2006<br>Congress's Secret Saddam Tapes<br><br>Eli Lake, The New York Sun:<br><br> The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence is studying 12 hours of audio recordings between Saddam Hussein and his top advisers that may provide clues to the whereabouts of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.<br><br> The committee has already confirmed through the intelligence community that the recordings of Saddam's voice are authentic, according to its chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, who would not go into detail about the nature of the conversations or their context. They were provided to his committee by a former federal prosecutor, John Loftus, who says he received them from a former American military intelligence analyst.<br><br> Mr. Loftus will make the recordings available to the public on February 17 at the annual meeting of the Intelligence Summit, of which he is president. On the organization's Web site, Mr. Loftus is quoted as promising that the recordings "will be able to provide a few definitive answers to some very important - and controversial - weapons of mass destruction questions." Contacted yesterday by The New York Sun, Mr. Loftus would only say that he delivered a CD of the recordings to a representative of the committee, and the following week the committee announced that it was reopening the investigation into weapons of mass destruction.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=JAC20060204&articleId=1889">www.globalresearch.ca/ind...cleId=1889</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What is the Foundation for Democracy in Iran? Who funds them? A concerted web search found very few details about the organization. . . . In terms of its listed members, there is only one. That is Kenneth Timmerman -- neocon extraordinaire, member of the fear-mongering imperial project that calls itself the Committee on the Present Danger, and contributor to the neocon rag National Review and its ultra-right counterpart FrontPagemag.com. . . .<br> <br>Who are those fellow imperial cheerleaders with whom Mr. Timmerman wants to make "revolution" on Iran? Perhaps another link on the FDI's skeleton of a website can provide us with some clues. It is this link that announces that the FDI is invited to speak at The Intelligence Summit. This event, which is billed as "a non-partisan, non-profit, neutral forum that uses private charitable funds to bring together for the first time the intelligence agencies of the free world and the emerging democracies," is taking place at the Hyatt Hotel in Crystal City, Virginia over the weekend of February 17-20, 2006. The stated purpose of the summit is to provide members of the intelligence, espionage, counter-terrorism, and counter-intelligence agencies from the so-called free world an opportunity to compare notes and develop strategies to stay in power and defeat those that oppose them. The quasi-private nature of the event appears to be merely a pretext for the individuals attending to keep some kind of legal separation from any policy-making powers they might have. In other words, as long as the event is nominally unofficial, the attendees are free to make statements and deals that they could not make in a more official arrangement. The list of speakers and board members is almost one hundred names long and includes such well known empire builders like former CIA Chief James Woolsey; Washington insiders Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle; and lesser known imperial cheerleaders such as Colonel Oded Shoham of the Israel Defense Forces and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>retired US Army General Paul Vallely, who currently provides analysis for FOXNews and has decades of experience in military psy-ops and counter-intelligence. . . .</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The summit's sponsors include various internet companies hoping to make a buck off the growing market in homeland security and anti-hacking technologies, as well as companies involved in private security operations around the globe. The primary sponsor, however, is the subject of controversy and is currently denied entry into the United States because of his indictment on various charges in Russia and Israel. His name is Michael Chernoff (or Cherney) of the Michael Cherney Foundation. Cherney is well-known among supporters of Israel and has contributed millions of dollars to various organizations on the right end of Israel's political spectrum, as well as several thousands to the US Republican Party. Cherney's sponsorship is obviously important to the summit's organizers, as they are urging attendees to lobby the US State Department and get Mr. Cherney a visa so he can accept an award that weekend in February.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/27684">www.nysun.com/article/27684</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>April 14, 2006<br><br>CAIRO, Egypt - Two former CIA directors have resigned from the board of the organization planning tomorrow to make public secret recordings of Saddam Hussein and his advisers.<br><br>In the last week both John Deutch and James Woolsey abruptly left their positions at Intelligence Summit, according to its president, John Loftus, who said their departure is part of a campaign by the directorate of national intelligence to punish him for releasing the recordings.<br><br>The reason both men gave for their resignations was new information they received regarding one of the summit's biggest donors, Michael Cherney, an Israeli citizen who has been denied a visa to enter America because of his alleged ties to the Russian mafia.<br><br>Mr. Loftus said Mr. Cherney was framed by the Russian mob as part of a scheme to extort him. Mr. Woolsey, however, wrote in an e-mail, "My only response is that I got new information this week about the funder from someone I know and whose judgment on these matters I trust. Based on that information I decided to withdraw. If Mr. Loftus is saying that anyone pressured me about this issue he is quite wrong." Mr. Deutch did not respond to a request for comment.<br><br>Mr. Loftus has promised that the recordings he will release to the public tomorrow will show that Saddam personally discussed a germ attack on Washington at some point after 2000. However, ABC News, which obtained the recordings from Mr. Loftus's source - a former U.N. weapons inspector, John Tierney, who was asked by the FBI in September 2005 to translate them - says otherwise.<br><br>ABC News reported that Saddam is quoted as saying, "Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans a long time before August 2 and told the British as well ... that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction."<br><br>The deposed Iraqi tyrant, however, added that Iraq would not authorize such an attack, but speculated that a chemical, nuclear, or biological attack could be launched from a boobytrapped car.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200602200720.asp">www.nationalreview.com/yo...200720.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>William Tierney, the former United Nations weapons inspector who unveiled the so-called "Saddam Tapes" at a conference in Arlington, Virginia, Saturday, told National Review Online that God directed him to weapons sites in Iraq and that his belief in the importance of one particular site was strengthened when a friend told him that she had a vision of the site in a dream.<br> <br>In his presentation at the so-called "Intelligence Summit," Tierney, an Arabic speaker, described how he received the "Saddam Tapes" from federal authorities last year as part of his job as a contract translator. It was supposed to be a routine assignment, but Tierney said he soon realized the tapes had special significance and decided to make them public. Tierney said he believes other tapes, which have not yet been heard, will eventually reveal that Iraq was behind the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Tierney also said that he believes Iraq orchestrated the 2001 anthrax attacks, with Saddam Hussein using American scientist Steven Hatfill as a "proxy" to carry out the mission.<br><br>Afterward, in a talk with NRO, Tierney addressed comments he made in February 2003 on "Coast to Coast AM," a radio program devoted to paranormal phenomena. On the program, hosted by George Noory, (who took over from predecessor Art Bell), Tierney discussed a possible nuclear-related facility in Iraq. A description of Tierney's remarks on the "Coast to Coast AM" website says:<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Tierney's methods of ascertaining this location were rather unconventional. "I would ask God and just get a sense if something was valid or not, and then know if I needed to pursue it," he said. His assessments through prayer were then confirmed to him by a friend's clairvoyant dream, where he was able to find the location on a map. "Everything she said lined up. This place meets the criteria," Tierney said of the power generator plant near the Tigris River that he believes is actually a cover for a secret uranium facility.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Tierney told NRO that he appeared on the program because he wanted to reach a large audience. "I don't believe a lot of the stuff that goes on on 'Coast to Coast,'" he said. "It's a forum to speak to people who are searching for answers, and that's why I went on." But as far as what he said about the influence of his religious faith on his work as a weapons inspector, Tierney said he has no regrets: "I don't take back anything."<br><br>"I am a Christian -- I would describe myself as an Acts Christian," Tierney told NRO. "If you look at the book of Acts for the early church, it's pretty exciting stuff. I mean, Christianity, you can do your hour-a-week thing in church, or you can skip the spiritual mountaintops. That's what I've been going for for years."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 4/17/06 9:21 pm<br></i>
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Re: Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

Postby anotherdrew » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:09 pm

here's a link the the summary blog, this FTR focuses on Sammy's case. I wonder what he's up to this days since he was Acquitted months ago. This guy aparently was funding Islamic Jihad in Palestine since the late 80's... Known and protected by folks at the top of US security agencies. Hard to blieve but it's just the kind of game they like to play: both sides.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/12/ftr-538-bushs-buddythe-acquittal-of.html"> FTR #538 Bush's Buddy—The Acquittal of Sammy the Aryan</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

Postby anotherdrew » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:35 pm

well, Loftus getting on with Tierney, that's weird. Maybe he's just one of these folks who makes a living inventing answers. I don't know who to believe these days, that's for sure. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Loftus and the "Intelligence Summit"

Postby steve vegas » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:45 pm

Yeah, the "Intelligence Summit" is very, very weird, up to and including the creepy looking web design. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Dave Emory - John Loftus - Sammy Al-Arian - Mae Brussell

Postby steve vegas » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:48 pm

As the Jerky Boys would say, "it's all twisted up like a weiner package". I always try to listen critically, but it's really hard to keep up and with so many overlapping storylines and nefarious characters it's really hard to know what's what. I alos get the sense that some of my heroes get used by all these slippery "security analyst" and "former intelligence agent" characters. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Loftus and the "Intelligence Summit"

Postby steve vegas » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:51 pm

The articles you cite, all right wing resources, make me think Loftus is a total disinfo agent, and Emory is either in on it, or asking the wrong questions. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Tierney, the translater who transmits secret scrolls

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:48 am

He's kind of the opposite of Sibel Edmunds in that he's shoveling disinfo without a gag order, isn't he?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In his presentation at the so-called "Intelligence Summit," Tierney, an Arabic speaker, described how he received the "Saddam Tapes" from federal authorities last year as part of his job as a contract translator. It was supposed to be a routine assignment, but Tierney said he soon realized the tapes had special significance and decided to make them public. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Tierney said he believes other tapes, which have not yet been heard, will eventually reveal that Iraq was behind the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Tierney also said that he believes Iraq orchestrated the 2001 anthrax attacks,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> with Saddam Hussein using American scientist Steven Hatfill as a "proxy" to carry out the mission.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>How convenient. Guess the FBI is off the hook.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Generalissimo Wesley Clark is also getting O'Reilly-dipped on Fox for his installation in 2008 to slow the development of Vietnam Syndrome II.<br><br>Clark was responsible for training programs and doctrine at the Pentagon since the 1980s and worked in the Office of Strategic Plans where the blueprints for invading every country are maintained.<br><br>Now that's a 'progressive' candidate for ya, hunh? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 4/17/06 10:54 pm<br></i>
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Re: Tierney, the translater who transmits secret scrolls

Postby anotherdrew » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:02 am

Tierney has to be bad info, they give him tapes to translate and he releases them and he's still walking around? Hard to credit as being remotely believable. Maybe they dug him out to smear Edmonds by association, translation is a factor in both whitleblowers. If you don't like a tune one whistle is blowing you get someone to drown it out or ruin the idea of whisters in general. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Tierney, the translater who transmits secret scrolls

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:08 am

Yup, create an alternative narrative with similar form but friendlier content. <br><br>Pop culture is mostly this device.<br><br>The Lee Harvey Oswald Publisher's Fan Club is still churning out crap to hold that cover story in place for the newbies stumbling into the JFK narrative.<br><br>That one must be like an etude for disinfo practice school. <br>"Now with new fingerings!" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Tierney, the translater who transmits secret scrolls

Postby starroute » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:14 am

I highlighted Paul Vallely's name for a reason. He was the co-author with Michael Aquino, 20-some years back, of “From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory.” These days, he's involved with something called the Iran Policy Committee, which is promoting the Iranian MEK terrorist group and which seems to be psy-ops all the way. It consists of Vallely, some other former military men, a former CIA person, a Neocon named Raymond Tanter, a shadowy fellow named Neil Livingstone (see <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://mediafilter.org/caq/Hill&Knowlton.html">mediafilter.org/caq/Hill&Knowlton.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> for some context on Livingstone), and a couple of others.<br><br>Vallely and several of the other military guys do commentary for Fox News, same as Loftus. Vallely and Thomas McInerney are the ones who were were claiming last fall that they'd heard Joe Wilson boasting about his CIA wife in the Fox green room in the spring of 2002 -- a claim that was quickly debunked in about three different ways. I have no idea why they would have jumped into the argument at such a late date and in such a transparently phony way.<br><br>As I say, I still don't have a clue which way is up with this particular cluster of individuals and groups except that (1) they've been deeply involved in pushing Iraq disinfo since 2002 and are equally involved in Iran disinfo now, (2) they have ties to the Neocons/Israel/Likud/the Russian Mafiya, (3) they or their associates have connections with both Fox News and the Moonie Washington Times and Insight magazine, and (4) they have friends and connections here and there in the U.S. Congress but not in any obvious pattern.<br><br>They also include more than a few disreputable figures and outright flakes, and they don't seem to be particularly close to either the Bush administration or the Bush Sr. people like Scowcroft. The Israeli connection might be the key, but I'm not even sure about that.<br><br>It's a considerable puzzle.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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