The Bush Administration Is An Agent Provacteur

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:48 pm

"And it seems as if many in the so-called truth movement put all this info out there that makes us nuts, then sit there with absolutely no solutions to any of it." This is a quote from my own post above. And just to clarify, I wasn't talking about you dugoboy, I am talking about people like Alex Jones and Jack Blood and countless others who have immense power to instill fear and unrest in many, many people. And that is not to say that I don't have the utmost respect for anyone who has the guts to put themselves out there and take a chance on being jailed or murdered for what they do. I would just like to see someone with this kind of power use some of their power to organize people or offer some concrete suggestions. I keep hearing "wake up" "WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!" from these people. Well, dammit, I am awake, now what am I supposed to do? Other than keep on doing what I am doing, which seems to do diddly shit to change a whole lot of anything. Some days are worse than others, some days, I feel hopeful and others I do not. Almost every day, I feel an intense sense of being very, very tiny.

by **yesferatu** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:05 pm

has a green wrist band with the word PEACE stamped into it. I wonder if that was intentional to that particular photo. Just a little thing I noticed. "You can pull my peace band off from my cold dead wrist". Guns at the point of their eventual mass usage for other than sport in this country will need to be accompanied with a very stark knowledge for those who will use them: "This will do no good, except it is more than enough for me to know an enemy will go out with me." This line of thought seems to have magical properties....look at those who know they were to end it thru confrontation, yet the idea they were going to effect equal life-and-death change for some inconsequential pawn on the other side seems to have hypnotic appeal. At points in societies and cultures the mantra "it is a good day to die" has an unchallenged impulse for the individual caught up actively in the particular mythos they believe they are living out in gradual self-fulfilling escalations. But here is a question I would like to have asked Ghandi: Here are two scenarios....in both, you are equally dead. In one they pull a gun from your dead cold fingers. In the other they pull a peace band from your cold dead wrist. The people who take a) your gun or b) your wrist-band are enthusiastic fascists and they have just killed you. Now without merit of knowing or caring about the details of circumstances and results before, during, or after the confrontation, but just on the merit of the two naked scenarios presented, stripped of all else, which is the more auspicious of the two?

by **Sweejak** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>a green wrist band with the word PEACE stamped into it. I wonder if that was intentional to that particular photo. Just a little thing I noticed. "You can pull my peace band off from my cold dead wrist". <hr></blockquote> Yes it was. Don't you love the irony? I believe in the second amendment and the collective.. was that unconciousness or consciousness? I think guns are the very, very last resort, and one about which I don't have a clue if I would or could use them. But I asked my father about it, specifically if when he was arrested by the Gestapo if he had a gun would he have used it. He said yes. Then too there is the popular Solzhenitsyn quote: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?"<hr></blockquote> But then during a conversation somewhere online which was about the right of self defense I asked: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Isn't self defense an 'inalienable right'? Whether someone is killed or not as a consequence is somewhat besides the point. The rightness or wrongness would depend on intent. Will you aim at the knees of someone attacking your family or shoot to kill? <hr></blockquote> To which the reply was: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Yes, I suppose so, inalienable in sense of being instinctive. But the sense of this particular "right" depends upon how "self" is defined. For me the "self" is a psycho-social reality, i.e. a netword of relationships of which I, in my perception, am but one nodual. Apart from these relationships, I may have an ego but no sense of who I am. As a worshiper of Jesus of Nazareth, I perceive my mission in life as doing all that I can to help those about me expand their sense of self so that their identities become more and more catholic in nature excluding no one. This is for me the meaning of Jesus' command to "love one's enemy." Thus killing other human beings to keep my own organism alive or to keep other individuals alive who are more intensely a part of my sense of self than the one(s) who are assaulting us is self-defeating and in a sense suicidal as it would be a rejection of the primary reason I have for being alive. Put simply what most people mean by self-defense to me makes no sense. For me 'self defense' means struggling to overcome whatever alienation I encounter that hinders me and the other person(s) I am in conflict with to realize that we are in fact "one body." The instinct I have to keep my own organism alive or near relationships alive at all costs is something I renounce every time I acknowledge that I am a "member" of that all embracing reality "the Body" that has been revealed to us in the person of Jesus by having intercourse with that reality in Holy Communion.<hr></blockquote> Well I know the religious talk will be too much for some but maybe you can sort of take it out and go with the general thought. When I passed this response around it was greeted with general admiration, like "wow", and " a high mark to achieve, what a great guy". One reply was "yeah what a great guy, he just gave me permission to cut off his son's testicles" [this was around the time that John Yoo's statement was making the rounds]. So, I don't know what I'm trying to say, it's just thought provoking. I don't have any real conclusion... What would Jesus do? Well the story is that he was crucified. Does all humanity have to be crucified? Anyway, regarding Ghandi, there is the spinning wheel story: <a href="http://www.earthguild.com/products/spinning/spcharka.htm">www.earthguild.com/produc...charka.htm</a> Which wasn't really a strike, in that they didn't just do nothing it was very pro-active. So I think Ghandi would be all for a strike, a massive general strike and that would starve the system out. If people are awake why would it not be possible to do this? How much would you pay to bring down this system?

by **dugoboy** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:23 pm

what if the increase in 'natural' disasters isn't real? what if global warming isn't real? what if its actually weather warfare? maybe al gore's new movie is being used to propagate the meme that us common people did this to ourselves? but in reality its a big military operation through the development of weather modification? to create bigger hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis and flooding? does it explain the severe drought the mid west had last summer? it suggests something much worse... just a thought i had. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|">

by **Sweejak** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:57 pm

I think about that, but consider solar system wide changes. I think it's more likely that they know it's real and prepare to take advantage of it. As for weather wars I think it is a distict possibility after all, it is an announced goal. What concerns me more is the possibility of biological culling, that is the real WMD. They could be killing you without your knowledge... it could already be too late. You'll never even have a chance to reach for something as primitive as a gun. I've heard about AIDS, SARS and others being designed in labs, but never researched it.

by **johnny nemo** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>what if the increase in 'natural' disasters isn't real? what if global warming isn't real? what if its actually weather warfare? maybe al gore's new movie is being used to propagate the meme that us common people did this to ourselves? but in reality its a big military operation through the development of weather modification? to create bigger hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis and flooding? does it explain the severe drought the mid west had last summer? it suggests something much worse...<hr></blockquote> Defense Secretary William Cohen: "Others (terrorists) are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanos, remotely, through the use of electro-magnetic waves...It's real, and that's why we have to intensify our efforts" (April 1997 DOD news briefing, University of Georgis, Conference on Terrorism) <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9440978/" target="top">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9440978/</a> <a href="http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0450(197<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> 017<0003:RTOGWA>2.0.CO%3B2" target="top">ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0450(197<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> 017<0003:RTOGWA>2.0.CO%3B2</a> <a href="http://indiadaily.com/editorial/3725.asp" target="top">indiadaily.com/editorial/3725.asp</a> As to joining in a "Rebel Alliance" with Greens, Reps, etc...I'm all for it, but there are too many people listening to this kinda crap below. They have to disconnect before they will see the truth. Luckily many already have and more are each day. Don't let the 3Gs (God, Guns & Gays) divide us. That's just what Illuminatist provocateurs like Robertson want. ROBERTSON BLAMES HURRICANE ON CHOICE OF ELLEN DEGENERES TO HOST EMMYS Lesbian is New Orleans native Hollywood – Pat Robertson on Sunday said that Hurricane Katrina was God’s way of expressing its anger at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for its selection of Ellen Degeneres to host this year’s Emmy Awards. “By choosing an avowed lesbian for this national event, these Hollywood elites have clearly invited God’s wrath,” Robertson said on “The 700 Club” on Sunday. “Is it any surprise that the Almighty chose to strike at Miss Degeneres’ hometown?” Robertson also noted that the last time Degeneres hosted the Emmys, in 2001, the September 11 terrorism attacks took place shortly before the ceremony. “This is the second time in a row that God has invoked a disaster shortly before lesbian Ellen Degeneres hosted the Emmy Awards,” Robertson explained to his approximately one million viewers. “America is waiting for her to apologize for the death and destruction that her sexual deviance has brought onto this great nation.”

by **johnny nemo** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:34 pm

Stupid emoticons. Here 'tis. <a href="http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0450(1978)017<0003:RTOGWA>2.0.CO%3B2" target="top">Click me</a>

by **dugoboy** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:35 pm

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The Bush Administration Is An Agent Provacteur

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I've had the same questions/nightmare scenarios, dugoboy

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