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Happy Thanksgiving From the CIA

Postby proldic » Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:19 pm

Ten Political Blessings<br><br>by Karen Kwiatkowski<br> <br>The emotional capstone in the film Under the Tuscan Sun is a scene where writer and protagonist Frances Mayes is finally acknowledged and possibly welcomed with a glance, a nod, and a slight tip of her elderly neighbor’s hat. Despite her many strenuous efforts to achieve this acknowledgement, it occurred only after she stopped obsessing, worrying and agitating. With that old man’s tip of the hat, the whole world synchronizes, and settles into its natural wonderfulness. <br><br>Thanksgiving reminds us to be grateful for gifts already received, generally unwrapped, often intangible, usually simple and at times wondrous. The existence of those we have loved, love today and will love tomorrow is always at the top of the list. <br><br>This year, beyond the good gifts in our lives, there is also room for a political Thanksgiving as well. For those who crave limited government and human liberty, it may seem that our current American era of war socialism, nationalistic fervor against evil enemies, and the brave new State led by a corrupt plutocracy and standing armies leaves little to celebrate. But when you gather with family and friends this Thanksgiving, remember there are at least ten political gifts we have been given in 2005.<br><br>Dick Cheney is falling down, and George W. Bush is racing him to the bottom. Most Americans believe that these two lied the country and the Congress into war. They didn’t do it by themselves, but it’s good to know they are finally getting some of the credit. <br>That grand old bird of defense, Grandpa Rumsfeld, is plumb out of fifty-year-old swooning women, and he no longer finds many men, in uniform or out, who admire his substance or his style. The only thing steely about old Don these days is his spectacles. And no, I’m not talking about Iraq – I mean his eyeglasses. And that’s exactly how it ought to be. <br>In 2005, everyone knows what "neoconservative" means. The neoconservative perspective (liberal nationalistic socialism at home, a militaristic nation-shaping program abroad, starting and probably ending in the Middle East) has taken over much of the Republican Party and a good part of the Democratic Party. Most people know this, too. They also know that neoconservatism is simultaneously elitist and devoid of new ideas. Most people also recognize that the main dish served by neoconservatives is leftover anti-communism, smothered in a red panic of Islamo-fascism. If you go to the store, you won’t find Islamo-fascism, bottled or canned. You won’t find it fresh or frozen. It was invented to flavor something Americans wouldn’t eat otherwise, and in fact is not produced either locally or abroad. Go figure! <br>This Thanksgiving season, the Congressional flock has raised their fuzzy little heads, and they are beginning to make soft noises. At least for Iraq and this administration’s financial and foreign policy idiocy, the silence of the lambs seems to be over. Yes, it’s mostly due to the bloody congressional slaughters forecasted for 2006 and 2008. But remember, our democracy has only three fundamentals: Stay in office, avoid indictments, and find out where the people are going so you can get up in front of the crowd. God bless America! <br>Patrick Fitzgerald is still alive and working. He is even still working criminal cases from his old job, like the one relating to Richard Perle’s good friend, Conrad Black. The Congress and the Defense Department IG are both examining Richard Perle’s other good friend, Doug Feith. Even the Congress is finally moving on the Part II investigation on how intelligence (and other stuff the administration heard on the global grapevine) was "politicized." You know, fixing facts around policy. <br>Speaking of Richard Perle, we’ve heard little from him recently! That in itself is a blessing worthy of the top ten. He’s not writing, he’s not speaking, he’s not making soufflés for his friends. Instead of the toast of the town, Perle seems to be just toast. <br>The Iraqis are on to us, as are the Afghans, the Iranians, the Egyptians, Syrians, and the Saudis. Karen Hughes, Condi Rice, hand-picked puppets Ahmad Chalabi and Hamid Karzai, and a host of sous-puppets in Iraq and Afghanistan have all worked hard to sell an American foreign policy buffet that is overpriced and awful, and unfortunately kills and maims many of those who partake. These countries have also recently discovered that the Chinese and unborn future Americans are sharing funding responsibility for the whole shebang. Oops, I guess that is something for them to be thankful for, and not us. <br>Freedom is irreversible. Big government has huge advantages of power and force. But the trend of history has been the liberation of the individual, and the celebration of freedom of movement, markets, and minds. The state fundamentally resists this trend, and the 20th century fantastically demonstrated how states would and could slaughter individuals, and bind their souls. Yet in every case of state-led mass murder and indoctrination, the state could not kill the human spirit, destroy every challenger, arrest every free thinker, and lock up every child who saw that the emperor had no clothes. <br>And the corollary to number 8 is that hot air dissipates rapidly! Specifically, I am referring to the heated and ever expanding attacks by the administration on those who criticize it for putting American soldiers in harms way through mendacity, greed and hubris once understood to be the realm of crazy kings and Caesars. But more and more Americans, and more quickly than ever before, recognize the hot air for what it is. <br>USA Today just ran had an editorial piece entitled, "Is Our Faith in Government Dying?" The question was rhetorical. It could not be otherwise in America these days, and for this we should again be grateful. <br>These are just ten blessings in the political sphere, and there are many, many more. They didn’t all come about just because those who value liberty wanted them to, and worked hard. They didn’t come about solely because LewRockwell.com and Antiwar.com are great websites. <br><br>The political winds are changing in part because good always overcomes the baneful, the malignant, and the murderous. Sometimes we only know we are winning because someone glances up, catches our eye, and tips their hat in mutual recognition. <br><br> Anti-state, antiwar and pro-market Americans, meet your neighbors! And enjoy Thanksgiving 2005!<br><br>November 24, 2005<br><br>Karen Kwiatkowski, Ph.D., [send her mail] a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, who spent her final four and a half years in uniform working at the Pentagon's Near East/South Asia bureau. She lives with her freedom-loving family in the Shenandoah Valley, and among other things, has written on defense issues with a libertarian perspective for militaryweek.com, hosts the call-in radio show American Forum on Saturday nights, and blogs occasionally for Huffingtonpost.com. <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=proldic@rigorousintuition>proldic</A> at: 11/26/05 10:45 am<br></i>
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Karen Kwiatkowski

Postby robertdreed » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:19 pm

The link for the above article <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski132.html">www.lewrockwell.com/kwiat...ki132.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The Karen Kwiatkowski archive <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski-arch.html">www.lewrockwell.com/kwiat...-arch.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Let the Show Trial begin... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ewww

Postby proldic » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:56 am

MILITARY BABA<br><br>baba comes home <br><br>Daddy's a fascist<br><br>BAD man<br><br>Baba <br><br>All that anxiety, tension, and chill<br><br>tounge and groove <br><br>For nothing <br><br>Baby<br><br> <br><br><br>Once again Uncle Joe pulls the old Leninist boogeyman out of his dirty overcoat like some dime-store flasher<br><br>"Let the show trial begin"<br><br>Yeah, I'm sure Amy Goodman and Z mag will be giving it big coverage. <br><br>In other words: don't look behind the curtain, don't read her words critically, don't question the new crop of CIA whistleblowers. Believe. <br><br>Option B: <br><br>Be very skeptical of supposed CIA insiders. Read their words critically. Question reality. Compare it to history. Reflect on today. Excise the rhetorical baggage. Get to the core. Make a judgement. Reverse the memes. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=proldic@rigorousintuition>proldic</A> at: 11/26/05 7:22 am<br></i>
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Re: ewww

Postby marykmusic » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:00 pm

But please, also remember that the CIA career people are now sworn enemies of the Administration. More than ever. But we DON'T necessarily want a revolution with THEM in charge, do we? --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ewww

Postby proldic » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:08 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the CIA career people are now sworn enemies of the Administration<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ewww

Postby Dreams End » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:09 pm

proldic, I think I originally cribbed this idea from you but then actually found it on a libertarian site...the same one, in fact. That is, the idea that the neo-cons were set up from the beginning to take the fall. Starting with the funding of the Congress for Cultural Freedom by the CIA, these Trotskyites turned cold-war liberals, turned Neo-cons are getting ready to be tossed to the wolves. <br><br>It started right off the bat with Ray McGovern and the so-called "Intelligence Professionals for Social Responsibility" or whatever name they go by. Madsen's part of it too. And, of course, all of us who are outraged by the war can fall victim to this idea, that it's not the system, it's a small group of bad guys who hijacked the system. Get rid of them and all will be right with the world. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski

Postby robertdreed » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:34 pm

"Be very skeptical of supposed CIA insiders."<br><br>I am...in fact, I'm even skeptical of former Army Intelligence analysts. That's a subtlety that's escaped you, apparently it's all CIA to you. But the alarm bells haven't gone off for me, in the case of Kwiatkowski's comments. However, judging from your abundant previous commentaries in reference to anyone with American intelligence experience on their CV, there's no such thing as a sincerely disgruntled employee. It's ALWAYS a trick. That approach to "critical thought" more nearly resembles "paranoia" than "skepticism."<br><br> "Read their words critically." <br><br>You know it. Too bad you won't quote any of their words point-by point, as part of offering a critique. I can't even tell what in their comments you specifically object to, proldic- beyond their use of the term "neocon", which is apparently a burning red flag to you. <br><br>"Question reality." <br><br>Lots of experience there. At least on my part. I don't need to be told to do it by anyone, it's how I survived all those years on the night shift, driving cab in Sacramento. <br><br>"Compare it to history. Reflect on today."<br><br>Comparing "reality" to "history" is one of those perennially elusive goals. I don't claim to have the handle on it.<br><br>"Excise the rhetorical baggage."<br><br>Oh, come on, proldic. Where would you be without it?<br><br>"Get to the core."<br><br>Based on what? I can't even tell what that statement means for you, in this instance. You haven't even offered enough specific commentary for me to hazard a guess. <br><br>"Make a judgement."<br><br>Based on what? Sounds more like "rush to judgement" to me. <br><br>"Reverse the memes."<br><br>That statement is incoherent. To me, it reads like a shorthand, and highly unsatisfactory, substitute for analysis.<br><br>Somewhere lost in the Prescription for Considering the Objective Conditions is an actual point-by-point consideration of Ms. Kwiatkowski's words.<br><br>I'm also noticing an amount of touchiness about the term "neocon" that sounds exactly like what everyone in the PNAC wants Americans to think- that every time the term is employed by a critic of Bush foreign policy, it's supposed to be an indication of anti-Jewish bigotry.<br><br>Somewhere lost in that short circuit is the fact that the term "neoconservative" (the original derivation of the term "neocon" ) was thought up and embraced by the "neo-conservatives" themselves. Another point that gets lost in this logical mix of spaghetti and string is the fact that the PNAC and its American ideological kin are <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>majority non-Jewish organizations</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. The American Enterprise Institute, for example, is roughly as "neo-conserative" these days as the PNAC. It's an ideological label, not an ethnic description, get it?<br><br>As far as the notion that "the neocons" have kidnapped American foreign policy against the Bush administration's will- point out the exact words of Bush critics who have made such an allegation. Many of their accusations are hurled directly at Dick Cheney ( a decidedly non-Jew, I do declare) for repeatedly making private visits to Langley, apparently in an effort to bypass the career people in the CIA's analysis department.<br><br>And what of Jewish critics of the influence of neoconservatives (a non-denominational label) on American foreign policy, like Melvin Goodman? Is everything he says to be discounted, due to the fact that he has the initials "CIA" on his resume? In the eyes of some, the answer seems to be "yes." <br><br>I'll stop there, for now, with one last note- I don't think either proldic or Dream's End could pass a test on the structure of the CIA, or of the various intelligence agencies of the government (who, speaking of "historical comparisons" have often historically worked as rivals, rather than in concert, and this is undeniable objective fact...). It's all one big Cauldron of Evil to them...sort of like "the Jews" are to some people. Any taint of association whatsoever is enough to not merely excite skepticism, but to convict <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>en masse</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br>(Judging from the cryptic comments that began proldic's remarks- well, actually the following is an inference drawn from abundant previous proldic comments, one can infer almost anything from a half-baked souffle of Dadaist verse and cartoon "didacticism" like "MILITARY BABA"- that "taint" evidently includes myself, for instance, for the "crime" of having a father who was- by my own admission on this board- a Korea-Vietnam era Army veteran who retired with the rank of LTC- the same rank as Karen Kwiatkowski!- an Army Public Information Officer! Therefore, I'm forever rendered untrustworthy in his eyes, due to my "blood guilt", as best I can tell...well, let's put it this way: I'm going to stay with doing the orderly work for the old octogenarian, rather than making the effort to absolve myself in the eyes of the Commisar Kangaroos of the world, by murdering him. ) <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/26/05 6:45 pm<br></i>
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Lenin

Postby robertdreed » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:48 pm

"Once again Uncle Joe pulls the old Leninist boogeyman out of his dirty overcoat like some dime-store flasher"<br><br>What's up, proldic, you don't like Lenin? <br><br>Well, you've always been circumspect about things like that. I will note that you're the only person I've ever known to post an Internet link to the effect that Stalin got a bad rap- that's somewhere on the RI board around here. Other than providing cut-and-pastes or links to someone else's words, you've been remarkably guarded about exactly who you consider your ideological fore-runners...so the rest of us have to guess. For instance, you didn't add a single word of commentary to the pro-Stalin link you supplied. That of course leaves open the possibility that anything I might infer about your posting that link could be wrong.<br><br>Sort of the "Nacht und Nebel" approach to seeking political alliances, and contending with criticism... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/26/05 6:35 pm<br></i>
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Re: Youve noticed ?

Postby slimmouse » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sort of the "Nacht und Nebel" approach to seeking political alliances, and contending with criticism...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> Theres a few people around here dont seem to have any opinion about anything. just sit here fogging this board up with what I would consider meaningless bullshit.<br><br> Oh other of course than criticising the life out of others, with totally unwarranted smears, backed up by a plethera of half quotes, putting opinions into people mouths, et cetera. The standard modus operandi.<br><br> It appears to have succeeded in driving a few decent posters away from this board in fact, which is something of a shame.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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balanced expectations

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:35 pm

Proldic, you do seem to expect us to use a different magnifying glass to examine Karen Kwiatkowski than you would want us to use on a neocon like Richard Perle.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: balanced expectations

Postby proldic » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:24 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Karen Kwiatkowski than you would want us to use on a neocon like Richard Perle<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>no no no you aren't understanding me <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=proldic@rigorousintuition>proldic</A> at: 11/27/05 9:01 am<br></i>
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The Essence

Postby proldic » Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:00 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>who, speaking of "historical comparisons" have often historically worked as rivals, rather than in concert, and this is undeniable objective fact....<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>...of The Big Lie<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: me according to you

Postby proldic » Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:17 pm

according to me according to you <br><br>I'm untrustworthy too<br><br>both my parents are military veterans<br><br>octagenarians as well <p></p><i></i>
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Re: me according to you

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>no no no you aren't understanding me<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br>Yes, prol, I think because you are being too cryptic for me.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>according to me according to you <br><br>I'm untrustworthy too<br><br>both my parents are military veterans<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Ok, this I am beginning to understand. My husband was a cop, which gave me an inside peek at the process, which leads me to ALWAYS dig below the surface of any law enforcement story. Of course, mentioning this, I will now be suspect in ~ahem~ your eyes. But do you have any specific complaints about Karen Kwiatkowski? Or are you just suggesting we keep our eyes open? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 11/27/05 12:11 pm<br></i>
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Re: me according to you

Postby Qutb » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:38 pm

I share proldic's skepticism of Kwiatkowski and her spin on things. There is just so much there that is just so... wrong. I don't know if she's an "agent" of anything other than the libertarian ideology of the "Gingrich revolution", though.<br><br>Hoorah for free markets and the demise of "nationalist socialist" evil mastermind Richard Perle, who orchestrated the Iraq war... together with all the other "socialists" and "nationalists" at the American Enterprise Institute and the RAND Corporation, I'm sure.<br><br>I do think there's a lot to the theory that the "neocons" were set up from the start, mostly willingly, to be the "fall guys" for the Iraq debacle, should it go sour. We're talking about a small cadre of mostly "Jewish intellectuals" who have been groomed by the AEI and associated institutions of the think-tankocracy, all <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1431" target="top">funded</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> by robber-baron money and multinational corporations (funny how they would fund Kwiatkowski's free-market-hating "nationalists" and "socialists", isn't it?):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>AEI's near $25 million annual budget comes from a mix of corporate, individual, and foundations donations. Major donors include the heavy hitters of the conservative foundation world--the Smith-Richardson Foundation, the Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundation, and Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation (4). According to People for the American Way, corporate donors have included the General Electric Foundation, Amoco, Kraft, Ford Motor Company Fund, General Motors Foundation, Eastman Kodak Foundation, Metropolitan Life Foundation, Proctor & Gamble Fund, Shell Companies Foundation, Chrysler Corporation, Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, General Mills Foundation, Pillsbury Company Foundation, Prudential Foundation, American Express Foundation, AT&T Foundation, Corning Glass Works Foundation, Morgan Guarantee Trust, Smith-Richardson Foundation, Alcoa Foundation, and PPG Industries<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>If your looking for the real power behind the invasion of Iraq and the "neocon agenda", all you have to do is follow the money. And that won't lead you to Zionist communist rabbis conspiring to send American servicemen to die for Israel, or to Kwiatkowski's freedum-hatin' "nationalist socialists". It leads straight to the Dow Jones Industrial Average blue chips.<br><br>The "neocon conspiracy" is fast becoming the new Official Spin. Beware of it.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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