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Re: The Money Masters.

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:46 am

seventhson.<br>here is how Kurt Nimmo says it:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It is my contention there is an unholy trinity, so to speak, at work here: military intelligence factions from the United States (working out of Rumsfeld's neocon Pentagon, as documented by Seymour Hersh), Britain's MI5 and MI6, and factions within Mossad or the Israeli intelligence establishment. Agendas overlap here neolib carpetbaggerism, big oil, and Greater Israel and it appears none predominate, although, as the London bombings seem to demonstrate, there is a bit of competition between factions (the MI5 and MI6, for lack of a better designation, appear to be behind the bombings, primarily to get Blair's police state agenda back on the front burner and stem flagging support for the Iraq occupation and the stalled 'war on terrorism,' etc.).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Nimmo has also said:<br>"I know, this will be considered anti-Semitic, as the truth often is..." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Money Masters.

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:53 am

Add Nimmo to Tarpley...mix in some norm livergood"demonic cabal" shake well and serve with ICEY COLD tea to keep your blood presssure down<br><br>these cabals are barely human from bush to bliar to rotschild<br><br>Tarpley shoud be required reading at DU..good historian..pulls lots of facts together<br><br><br>www.rense.com/general66/eed.htm<br><br>The London Bombs, The <br>Rogue Network And Iran<br>By Webster G. Tarpley<br>7-12-5<br><br>"WASHINGTON, DC -- Last week's London explosions carry the characteristic features of a state-sponsored, false flag, synthetic terror provocation by networks within the British intelligence services MI-5, MI-6, the Home Office, and the Metropolitan Police Special Branch who are favorable to a wider Anglo-American aggressive war in the Middle East, featuring especially an early pre-emptive attack on Iran, with a separate option on North Korea also included. With the London attacks, the Anglo-American invisible government adds another horrendous crime to its own dossier. But this time, their operations appear imperfect, especially in regard to the lack (so far) of a credible patsy group which, by virtue of its ethnicity, could direct popular anger against one of the invisible government's targets. So far, the entire attribution of the London crimes depends on what amounts to an anonymous posting in an obscure, hitherto unknown, secular Arabic-language chatrooms in the state of Maryland, USA. But, based on this wretched shred of pseudo-evidence, British Prime Minister Tony Blair who has surely heard of a group called the Irish Republican Army, which bombed London for more than a decade has not hesitated to ascribe the murders to "Islam," and seems to be flirting with total martial law under the Civil Contingencies Act. We are reminded once again of how he earned his nickname of Tony Bliar. <br><br>SCOTLAND YARD KNEW IN ADVANCE <br><br>That the British Government knew in advance that blasts would occur is not open to rational doubt. Within hours of the explosions, Israeli Army Radio was reporting that "Scotland Yard [London police headquarters] had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred." This report, repeated by IsraelNN.com, added that "the Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Foreign Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address an economic summit." This report is attributed to "unconfirmed reliable sources." At around the same time, the Associated Press issued a wire asserting that "British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city," according to "a senior Israeli official." This wire specifies that "just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say that they had received warnings of possible attacks." <br><br><br>Generally, the invisible government appears dismayed by its loss of momentum and the constant erosion of the political position of its asset, Bush. 110,000 US factory workers lost their jobs in June, the worst total in a year and a half: auto and textiles are collapsing. The housing bubble may also be nearing its end, with the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae on the near-term agenda. World derivatives have officially reached $300 trillion, with JP Morgan Chase holding the largest single portfolio. The one virtuoso performance of July 7 was that of the Federal Reserve, Bank of England, and European Central Bank, which flooded equity and capital markets with liquidity through such vehicles as the Plunge Protection Team (PPT), turning a big Wall Street loss into a small gain. <br><br>During the recent Reopen 9/11 tour of 8 European cities, Jimmy Walter repeatedly forecast that the general predicament of the Bush regime and the US financier faction would lead to another large-scale terror attack before the end of 2005; this has now occurred, and there is no end in sight. The tide of US public opinion has now definitively turned against the Iraq war and to some degree against Bush, as all major polls demonstrate. Notable is the 42% affirmative response to the Zogby International question as to whether, if it could be proved that Bush lied to launch the Iraq war, he should be impeached. Larry Franklin of the Wolfowitz-Feith neocon apparatus has been indicted for divulging US secrets, and the American-Israeli Public Affairs Council has been raided twice; further indictments are expected. Karl Rove has now been revealed as the source of the Valerie Plame leak, making Rove and perhaps other White House officials fair game for federal indictment. The Niger yellowcake forgeries and the Chalabi state secrets cases are still pending to say nothing of two stolen elections and the 9/11 Septembergate itself. All these factors incline the rogue network to seek an improvement in their situation through a flight forward to a wider war in Iran. Those who stand to lose most by such an Iranian adventure must now mobilize to make Mr. Bush's second term as eventful as Nixon's second term turned out to be in 1974."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Shaken not stirred.

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:45 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/roundtable.htm">www.wealth4freedom.com/tr...dtable.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart2.shtml">educate-yourself.org/nwo/...art2.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/money-masters.html">users.cyberone.com.au/mye...sters.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html">www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Why do people obey unjust laws?

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:58 am

Over 400 years ago, and earlier too, this question was posed and an answer given. "A 16th-century essay entitled Discourse of Voluntary Servitude by the French jurist Etienne de La Botie (1530Ð1563) discusses a question that haunts those who love liberty: Why do people obey unjust laws?"<br><br>Wendy McElroy of the Independent Institute has a commentary here. <br><br>I'll post some clips from the La BoŽtie essay as an enticement because the page looks pretty dense... a link follows.<br><br><br>Our nature is such that the common duties of human relationship occupy a great part of the course of our life. It is reasonable to love virtue, to esteem good deeds, to be grateful for good from whatever source we may receive it, and, often, to give up some of our comfort in order to increase the honor and advantage of some man whom we love and who deserves it. Therefore, if the inhabitants of a country have found some great personage who has shown rare foresight in protecting them in an emergency, rare boldness in defending them, rare solicitude in governing them, and if, from that point on, they contract the habit of obeying him and depending on him to such an extent that they grant him certain prerogatives, I fear that such a procedure is not prudent, inasmuch as they remove him from a position in which he was doing good and advance him to a dignity in which he may do evil.<br><br>But O good Lord! What strange phenomenon is this? What name shall we give it? What is the nature of this misfortune? What vice is it, or, rather, what degradation? To see an endless multitude of people not merely obeying, but driven to servility? Not ruled, but tyrannized over? These wretches have no wealth, no kin, nor wife nor children, not even life itself that they can call their own. They suffer plundering, wantonness, cruelty, not from an army, not from a barbarian horde, on account of whom they must shed their blood and sacrifice their lives, but from a single man; not from a Hercules nor from a Samson, but from a single little man.<br><br>Place on one side fifty thousand armed men, and on the other the same number; let them join in battle, one side fighting to retain its liberty, the other to take it away; to which would you, at a guess, promise victory? Which men do you think would march more gallantly to combat---those who anticipate as a reward for their suffering the maintenance of their freedom, or those who cannot expect any other prize for the blows exchanged than the enslavement of others? One side will have before its eyes the blessings of the past and the hope of similar joy in the future; their thoughts will dwell less on the comparatively brief pain of battle than on what they may have to endure forever, they, their children, and all their posterity. The other side has nothing to inspire it with courage except the weak urge of greed, which fades before danger and which can never be so keen, it seems to me, that it will not be dismayed by the least drop of blood from wounds<br><br>..... What power do you think gave to such a mere handful of men not the strength but the courage to withstand the attack of a fleet so vast that even the seas were burdened, and to defeat the armies of so many nations, armies so immense that their officers alone outnumbered the entire Greek force? <br><br>..... but who could believe reports of what goes on every day among the inhabitants of some countries, who could really believe that one man alone may mistreat a hundred thousand and deprive them of their liberty? Who would credit such a report if he merely heard it, without being present to witness the event? And if this condition occurred only in distant lands and were reported to us, which one among us would not assume the tale to be imagined or invented, and not really true? Obviously there is no need of fighting to overcome this single tyrant, for he is automatically defeated if the country refuses consent to its own enslavement: it is not necessary to deprive him of anything, but simply to give him nothing; there is no need that the country make an effort to do anything for itself provided it does nothing against itself... if not one thing is yielded to them, if, without any violence they are simply not obeyed, they become naked and undone and as nothing, just as, when the root receives no nourishment, the branch withers and dies.<br><br>Yet one element appears to be lacking. I do not know how it happens that nature fails to place within the hearts of men a burning desire for liberty, a blessing so great and so desirable that when it is lost all evils follow thereafter, and even the blessings that remain lose taste and savor because of their corruption by servitude. Liberty is the only joy upon which men do not seem to insist; for surely if they really wanted it they would receive it. Apparently they refuse this wonderful privilege because it is so easily acquired.<br><br>I'll stop here, go to the essay <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/laboetie.html">tmh.floonet.net/articles/laboetie.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Shaken not stirred.

Postby Seventhsonjr » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:59 am

Once again, these links all go to right weing disinformation sites.<br><br>Such disinformation glosses over the power of the Bushes, blames people like the "Socialist" Tony Blair and DLC, paints with broad strokes about the power of the Rothschilds and basically says it is all a communist conspiracy bla, bla bla.<br><br>The IHR link is particularly offensive as these are the promoters of the idea that the Holocaust never happened.<br><br>This is Nazi-Bushzi disinformation. Yes as with all very "good" propaganda disinformation it contains some truths, but it is ALL spin - designed to get one's focus away from the Bushes, the WASPS, and the fascists that really run this NWO Fourth Reich and cause hatred of Jews.<br><br>Why post a link to a proNazi hatesite, sweejack?<br><br>007?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Wading in, and quickly wading out.

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:57 am

Seventhson is right about IHR. Linking to a site which promotes Holocaust denial is discrediting to an argument. Having said that I won't delete it, because the quoted material did not violate the guidelines for posting and this is the first occasion, but IHR is not welcome here.<br><br>While I and many others here are of the Left, I'm not expecting or desiring uniformity of political views on this parapolitical forum. I believe that many Libertarians and genuine Conservatives have a sensitivity to issues of personal liberty and an awareness of the corrupted networks of hidden power, and that we can learn from each other without losing our own political bearing. <br><br>It should go without saying that fascists, racists and antisemites will never be welcome, and posts which use sites endorsed by same will be suspect and subject to deletion. I don't want to be a thought police about it, so I'm leaving it up to your common sense, which I believe is uncommonly good. If you're unfamiliar with a site to which you link, please familiarize yourself a little with it first, just so you know better who you are using to support your argument. (I say this from experience myself, having been called out before on boards for hastily referencing shady sources.) <br><br>And a little more clarification on what I would consider unwelcome references. I'm not talking about portals like Rense or sites like Educate-Yourself, and certainly not people like Nimmo or Tarpley. I'm talking about such sources as IHR, which proudly bills itself as the "site of the world's leading Holocaust denial organisation."<br><br>If a website speaks with a single voice, and the voice speaks the language of hatred, it shouldn't be used here to support an argument. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/15/05 8:07 am<br></i>
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Re: Wading in, and quickly wading out.

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:19 am

to RI<br><br><br>What is IHR???<br><br>the only pt that I am making and I did not link to IHR as far as I know. Nobody is above criticism not bush bliar sharon..and it sure seems to to me that they are in cahoots and they can be called fronts for the more powerful elites like rockefeller and roschild but they all in it together<br><br>the elites of privlege and power dividing and conquering the masses SOS.<br><br>I disagreee that its anti-semitism to criticze Israel..sharon or rostchild or any of the neo-con traitors like wofowitz..perle bolton.. rummy..other followers of marxist creep leo strauss..<br><br>read my posts and think what ya want..I been here about a wk...if I crossed a line I sorry but if ya want more thought control..?? well I don't know what to say??<br><br>its your site and ya get some pretty intelligent folks here.. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:48 am

IHR is the "Institute for Historical Review," which is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>the</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> leading site for Holocaust denial. And no, you didn't link to it.<br><br>A couple of more things, and then I'm really outta here.<br><br>The Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Federal Reserve: have at it, people. Just because these have been the focus of some conspiracists on the right doesn't mean there's nothing to see there.<br><br>Also, just as antisemitism isn't welcome here (and something along the lines of an "International Jewish Banking Conspiracy" would fit the bill), so we should be careful not to accuse one another of it recklessly. For instance, the policies of Likud and Sharon and the actions of the Mossad are fair game, but "Jews" - hell no.<br><br>And - this is where it gets especially sticky - hate speech sometimes substitutes the term "Zionists" for "Jews" to simply "conform to code." I hope posters know what I mean, because I don't have time to explain myself further. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/15/05 8:49 am<br></i>
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Re: dbeach

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:03 pm

THANZ RI for more clarification on this trajic subject..My cousin is ajew..great kool guy and hi against the establishment which we condiser as the ruling elites and theri various names and games<br><br>the subject needs more light and discussion..in an appropro manner that benefits us all<br><br>bush as ceasar will use all means to divide us on the HOT BUTTON issues from VN to tax cuts to wars to terrorism<br><br>beneath each bush is mounds of dirt..<br><br>same can be said for all these elites..rulers in their castles with their private and public armadas....who dictate the course of humanity .<br><br>G-8 what criminals posing as leaders.. <p></p><i></i>
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