Pinkerton Computer Consultants

[DrDebugDU]

And then suddenly my DSL connection dropped. Guess it's time to look at the world from dial-up. Man, it's slooooowwww....<br><br>I'm sorry to say it, but Pinkerton Tobacco is a Tobacco company. <p></p><i></i>

[sw]

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[proldic]

"I can look on breaks and at lunch, I hope." <br><br>Jeff, tell us, how much taxpayer $$ is sw wasting reading RI? ha ha <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :p --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>In the interests of full disclosure, are you BATF, or IRS, or what? To be fair - I'm a commie. <p></p><i></i>

[sw]

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[proldic]

So many ways to take this, but I got to go this way:<br> <br>POLL<br>I'm paranoid because I sense something<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> way vaguely wrong</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> with the above post? Y/N?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I've mentioned before that I found RI while I was at work doing work. I have made a handful of referrals based on stuff I found on this site to other agencies. I even recommend to some of my contacts in other federal agencies to consider reading this site.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Questions: <br><br>1. When you say "I've mentioned before that I found RI while I was at work doing work...", did you phrase it that way on purpose, or did you mean you were <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>not</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> working, goofing off (and believe me my gripe here isn't about wasted tax $$)? <br><br>2. In general, what possible "work" would you have been doing "at work" that led you to RI? <br><br>3. When you say "referrals based on stuff I found on this site to other agencies..", that sounds like you're saying you made <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>official</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> referrals to those other "agencies", as in "through official channels", not to individuals, in those agencies. In general, what was the "stuff" you found worth referring to these "other agencies"?<br><br>4. And what agencies where they, anyway? <br><br>5. <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If I ever get out of Intelligence, then I won't have a valid reason for reading RI I guess. But, until then, I think it is justified.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>You obviously consider yourself part of the family called "The US Intelligence Community". <br> Please explain what real "intelligence" role the A&T part of the ATF engages in. <br><br>6. Does this "intelligence" role go beyond the "legitimate" law enforcement activities connected with battling the scourge of untaxed Cognac, and persecuting Native Americans for selling cigarettes? <br><br>7. Do you share intelligence-collection duties with other agencies? <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I sent a formal letter to our Ethics attornies in D.C. asking how this could possibly be ethical. I think ATF should be non sectarian in our protection of all Americans, not just Christians...I have had the opportunity to work with some of the finest people I've ever met while here at ATF. I love this agency, I love my Division but I do not love everything about the government. I'm hoping I can be the change I want to see.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>8. The ATF has one of the worst records of any of the lessor government agencies when it comes to extra-constitutional activities, horse-faced lying to congress, wholesale encouragment of a "culture of silence" (embodied in "I <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>love</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> this agency, I <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>love</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> my Division"), and persecuting whistleblowers. I wonder about your perspective when you say "I have had the opportunity to work with some of the finest people I've ever met while here at ATF." Exactly when did you send your formal letter protesting the massive agency-wide violation of ethics that occurred during the your beloved agency's homicidal rampage against the innocent women & children of Mt Carmel by the "finest people [you've] ever met"? <br><br>8. Can you not see even a tinge of hypocrisy in the statement "I think ATF should be non sectarian in our protection of all Americans, not just Christians."<br>Ha Ha Ha...<br><br>Cause I'm sure baby-holding Vicki -- or 14-year-old Sam -- Weaver, the 80 people - 23 of them children under the age of 17- murdered at Waco, and the laundry list of lesser-known working-class <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>christian</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> farmers and ranchers and unemployed auto workers -- all victims of your agency's jackbooted stormptrooper tactics in the '80's '90's -- would.<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

LOL @ prodlic.<br><br>Please save your paranoia for the alphabet agency people who are invisible. I don't care about the ones which are open about it and even if sw has alternate motives, he is still welcome. The agents whose purpose it is to disrupt and to disinform are the ones I don't like. Just look at the September 11 forum of DU and you can't miss them...<br><br>This Pinkerton stuff has the stuff which makes you go Hmmm, however it is not hidden from view. The copy of Jeff's blog was made in plain sight and we now know that they have a copy of Jeff's writings.<br><br>Prodlic like you and many other posters on this board I am always curious what the alphabet agencies are upto and what they are capable of, ie. what they have done in the past and who they fit into the elite conspiracy which drives us away from a free society and free exchange of ideas into a society where paranoia and hatred run rampant.<br><br>However there is grey in between black and white. Even though the black (ops) and the white (coke) are something which should never be the allowed for an agency, there is grey intelligence gathering which makes sense and is sadly necessary in today's society. You can argue endlessly, but the fact is that police, military and even intelligence bureaus have a reason for existing, however they also use their powers into territories which are beyond that reason. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

I've had the same questions of sw. I'll let her answer for herself, but I will say that she has been quite open about her BATF associations. She's also shared a long history that involves mind control and misuse by other intelligence agencies (like proldic, I didn't know BATF considered themselves intel). This did lead me to question why she would want to be a part of that "community."<br><br>Assuming that sw is simply how she is portraying herself, someone on the "inside" who is seeking truth, I hope she won't be put off by proldic's direct tone because to be honest, I think that they are legitimate questions. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[human]

proldic, me & sw have gone at it before... i think thats what she is refering to...<br><br>i have no idea where that post is or what it was about exactly, but even Jeff got involved because i was going at it pretty hard..<br><br><br><br>i still feel how i did then, i wish i could find that post...<br><br><br>one<br>human? <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

Thanks for the answer to my poll.<br><br>So, you think asking specific questions to sw, and pointing out what they seemed to miss in their passionate romanticization of their agency, is not fair territory?<br><br>And I guess pointing that Waco was an ATF-provoked genocide, is worth LOL'ing about to you.<br><br>Here's what I saw, and why I asked: <br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>...I have made a handful of referrals based on stuff I found on this site to other agencies. I even recommend to some of my contacts in other federal agencies to consider reading this site... <br><br><br>...If I ever get out of Intelligence, then I won't have a valid reason for reading RI I guess. But, until then, I think it is justified... <br><br>...I think ATF should be non sectarian in our protection of all Americans, not just Christians.... <br><br>...I have had the opportunity to work with some of the finest people I've ever met while here at ATF. I love this agency, I love my Division...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>So it's not ok to ask sw what's up? <br>You don't think sw's comments betray at the least some serious miseducation.<br>You don't think we should call these people out, even if they are in the open. I think sw may represent a particularly interesting poster, maybe they're all on the level, I don't know, I'll check their answers and evaluate then.<br><br>I'll tell you what, it's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>wrong</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and in my opinion <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>unconstituional</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> for the government, or a foreign govt working for my govt., especially fuckin' ATF employees, to monitor these forums, and exchange info with each other about what they read. <br><br> "...police, military and even intelligence bureaus have a reason for existing, however they also use their powers into territories which are beyond that reason. <br><br>I think it's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>you</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> who needs some debugging, Doc. You obviously have lost sight of the historical reason these agencies exist in a capitalist society, check Smith's "Wealth of Nations" for example: to protect the propertied classes from the property-less. <br><br>They are not truly "going beyond their reason" when they do what they do. Conspiracy is the natural and eminently logical extension of the role they have always played, within the capitalist system, the system we live under."<br><br>I just want to be clear about one thing: <br><br>I'm not in any way justifying any sort of harrassment, or illegal activities against government employees, even if they are criminally-culpable. Until such time as the citizens of the US get it together politically, through non-violent, constitutionally-protected actions, to either abolish, reform, or alter the role these agencies play, the only tools I advocate are our constitutionally-protected right to free-speech criticism of the actions of our government agencies and their employees. <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

Actually I think you are playing hard ball where it is probably not necessary. I see from your response that you have a lot of hatred against the alphabet agencies and are directing that towards me as well. It sounds more like you already made up your mind about sw. There are questions but there is no need to consider sw an enemy especially since she has been acting as a normal poster upto now. <p></p><i></i>

[human]

proldic, it gets better....<br><br>sw found this site while combing online for "terrorists"<br><br>she works "intelligence" at BATF....... <br><br><br>i wish i could find that damn thread....<br><br><br>anyways, sw, like i said before.... whatever RA you have been subjected too, its a good bet that your "handlers" are at your place of employment... i highly suggest leaving.<br><br>if they are no longer dealing with alcohol & tobacco at your agency, then your agency's only function is in direct violation of the second ammendment and should be shut down immediately IMO...<br><br>thanks<br><br>one<br>human? <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

"I see from your response that you have a lot of hatred against the alphabet agencies..."<br><br>Yes, they've destroyed my and millions of families lives. <br>I'm filled with LOVE for humanity, so I HATE evil.<br><br>" It sounds more like you already made up your mind about sw." <br><br>I said in the previous post I will evaluate their answers when/if they come in. Am I suspicious, due to their statements that I cited? Yes. Is it already obvious that sw is romanticizing their agency neyond any reasonable truth. That is a major area I have a beef with. I see you've envisioned a scenario where it's possible sw's intentions are pure. I am just putting out there the other side, which I was not aware was already debated (love to see that thread, Jeff). <br><br>You say "there are questions", so what are they? Didn't I ask them?<br><br> "she has been acting as a normal poster upto now."<br>again, I refer you to her statements in this post about her agency and how great the people who work in it are.<br>I shouldn't have a right to question that. <br><br>Maybe I should seperate the questions about what the hell she meant by "she found RI at work doing work at work" or "if I leave intel I guess I won't read RI", etc., <br><br>from my attempt to throw some reality-water on her hagiography of the ATF, truly one of the most despicable of the sub-agencies out there, culpable for outright murder, illegal imprisonment, propping up of big tobbacco and big liquor's monopoly, not to mention their trying to kill the 2nd amendment, among other nazi tactics.<br><br>It's like a cop from NY's 33rd precinct coming on the board telling us how great his fellow patrolmen were, how swell their department was, how <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>it's those other cops and departments</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> that are bad, but I'm proud of what <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>we</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> do, their "the finest people I've ever met". <br><br>And if sw is in need of whistleblower protection, please say so. We can refer to a number of sources, and attorneys who can help. There is a support network. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[human]

well... i found this, not what i was looking for, but hope it clears things up abit for you proldic...<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>sw said...<br><br> I've already told me story at length on this site.<br><br> I was sexually abused by my Dad at a very young age. My Dad was linked to Boys Town. My Mom's Dad was a agent with the Bureau of Narcotics in California. Our family later moved back to the midwest when I was around two.<br><br> I have memories of sexual abuse at the age of four by politicians one of which I believe is Bush 41. I have parts who described Bohemian Grove abuse. I have parts who were involved with MK Ultra. I have one part who was involved with the Stargate program as a remote viewer. He is only four.<br><br> I have healed mostly from DID but I am not "done" yet.<br><br> When I posted earlier today I meant that I had been sexually abused as part of the boys town ring and then pulled into the CIA program from that ring. I was never abducted. My Dad freely gave me over to the men.<br><br> I've worked for ATF for 18 years. I'm an investigative assistant. I consider my co workers to have the highest integrity. I don't know what to say about the rest of the government. I guess I'll have to wait until they (the FBI)finish investigating my recent allegations to find out what I think of them.<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/05/gosch-case-implicates-cia-us-officials.html">rigorousintuition.blogspo...cials.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

Getting back on topic, Pinkerton has returned today, and I've grabbed this info on system specs:<br><br>VISITOR SYSTEM SPECS <br>Browser Firefox 1.0.4 <br>Operating System Windows XP <br>Resolution 1152x864 <br>Javascript Enabled <br> <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Hmmm...they are smart enough to use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer...they may be cleverer than I thought!<br><br>When you got the 57 "hits" could that have been different page views? That is, if they clicked on the archives, does that count as a second "hit"? If so, then they might have simply been checking out the whole site. Stat counter will let you check this as well as length of visit (oddly, the Department of Defense had a visit of 0 seconds to my blog...) so that might provide a clue. <p></p><i></i>