Splintered Paradigm

[4911]

well, inversely, (and speaking hypothetically) how far fetched is it that certain people in the military itself could have had the resources to do 9/11, and plan it well enough to give the people just enough evidence for them all to blame it on the government. The military may just as well have seeded Katrina, blown away the shuttle, nuked the moon, etc etc.<br><br>~shiver~ <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

Speaking of "blown away the shuttle" wasn' there some sort of a plot in Northwoods to sabotage John Glenn's space mission and blame it on the Cubans? <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

I think i heard recently that if the rocket blew-up accidentally, then they would blame the cubans. <br><br>But what is MK short for? The K sounds german to me. Massen-Kontrolle? Menscshen-Kontrolle? Which one? Or something else?<br><br>Incidentally, what is the connection between MK-ultra, and Operation Paperclip, if there is one? <br><br>Have all the subjects of the operation been accounted for or did alot of them go "missing"? Where are they today? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 3/29/06 4:41 pm<br></i>

[thoughtographer]

I don't know what the "MK" prefix really stands for, but when it comes down to brass tacks, it's really just that; a prefix. I'd be interesting in hearing any more theories though.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKDELTA">Alkaloids, alkaloids everywhere -- but not a drop to drink</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[sijepuis]

<quote><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>So, I'd copy and paste this also to the Sheen thread and others. ... I think that much of this is about misdirection.<br><br>[...]<br><br>Just know that , at fairly deep levels, there are games being played.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br></quote><br><br>These are vital points.<br><br>Capitalism and geopolitics are, and have always been, a chess game. The smart player has a flexible plan and is at least a step or two ahead of the adversary.<br><br>Buckminster Fuller referred to the CIA as 'Capitalism's invisible army'. [cf, Halliburton et al].<br><br>Precisely <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>why</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> the Sheen interview should have been broadcast by the media at this moment in time should be reason to pause and think. Why now. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Why Sheen</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, of all people. What is under foot? To attribute the time, place and character of the present paradigm shift to a sudden awakening or to a breakthrough in consciousness would be to underestimate the adversary, I think. <br><br>With today's vast communication data-mining capabilities, we can be sure that various Intelligence and military agencies have a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>very</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> accurate picture of what is preoccupying people, from individuals to entire populations, at any given point in time [capacity which, btw, should put to rest any notion that these same agencies were "surprised" by the events of Sept 11]. Most probably, the public contention surrounding Sept 11 has grown to proportions that make a "steam-letting'" session necessary. Here we are witnessing the main-stream information gates being opened to a few, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>easily discredited</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, individuals. I can't help but find this suspect. <br><br>Yet I've never hoped more to be proved wrong than with respect to what I've just written. <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

sijepuis,<br><br>what do you think of the argument that's it's a shot across the bow to the Bush elements from a rival elite faction? A sort of trial balloon that lets them know how easy it would be to switch the public mind and innoculate it against fake terror.<br><br>In any event, I think your blowing off steam idea has something to it for sure. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

Hmm..sad. It looks to me more like Sheen is just a guy who thinks this is all too weird and dangerous and is trying to get people to think about what could happen soon if washington keeps trudging towards the dark-ages. <br><br>He may be easily discredited, but his message isnt. And that message is what needs to spread. I see his value as a proven communications-platform. <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>what could happen soon if washington keeps trudging towards the dark-ages.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I think this idea is paradoxically what's keeping so many from saying anything on 9-11. I think everybody may be scared shitless that if 9-11 got serious, these guys would do something outrageous and we'd be in martial law or some hell on earth scenario. <br><br>Sheen's pretty clearly into 9-11 and is sincere; I don't think he's acting or anything. But I do think he was put up to it or encouraged by certain elements to come forward. <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He may be easily discredited, but his message isnt. And that message is what needs to spread. I see his value as a proven communications-platform.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> If half of thinking America had anything approaching the intestinal fortitude of CS, then we might get somewhere fast.<br><br> He spoke from the heart and said to hell with the consequences - for their will doubtless be the characteristic greenbacked consequences - Interpret that metaphor as you will. <br><br> But Charlie said screw the green backs. That is all that concerns me to be honest. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 3/29/06 5:16 pm<br></i>

[sijepuis]

NewKid asked:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>what do you think of the argument that's it's a shot across the bow to the Bush elements from a rival elite faction?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>'Rival elite faction' is an overstatement with regard to Charlie Sheen. As for a 'shot across the bow to the Bush elements', this present attempt is most likely a highly studied, premeditated dud.<br><br>We've got to begin thinking differently! To hell with the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>details</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> of Sept. 11. While we're busy discussing vanished forensic evidence and developing theories based on data supplied by more or less reputable sources, fascism is gaining ground in the US! and is being imposed worldwide [this is news only to Americans].<br><br>We're reduced to being very busy bees, you see. <br><br>To 4911, who wrote:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Hmm..sad. It looks to me more like Sheen is just a guy who thinks this is all too weird and dangerous and is trying to get people to think about what could happen soon if washington keeps trudging towards the dark-ages.<br><br>He may be easily discredited, but his message isnt. And that message is what needs to spread. I see his value as a proven communications-platform.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The problem isn't Washington, nor does 'salvation' lie in Sheen's or anyone else's points of view. The keys to thwarting the fascist elements that devised the S11 attacks are not to be found within the Bush administration. They lie quite beyond the American political system.<br><br>If I had any say, I'd suggest that we ease off investigating the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>details</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> [water under the bridge] and begin seriously investigating the global common denominators that created the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>need</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> for S11.<br><br>[my .02 euros worth].<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

I don't necessarily disagree, but if you're going to get any serious block of political support in the population, you have to talk details on 9-11. Now I don't personally think CD is the way to go, but your average citizen is not going to know what to do with large abstractions like global common denominators. Americans don't really care what goes on in other countries, but they do care if you attack them in the middle of NYC. That gets their attention. In order to stop fascism, you have to stop its reason for being, which right now is the whole war on terror. The whole society is organized around what happened on 9-11. If the initial event that led to all this was phony, then all the other bullshit that people debate right now completely washes away. <p></p><i></i>

[sijepuis]

NewKid<br><br>You may have missed my point. Sept 11 may have been a psy-ops <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>enacted</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> on American soil, but the goals and visions of the event were global.<br><br>If the American government is culpable with respect to the Sept 11 attacks, it's the gargantuan transnational corporations that need to be investigated. <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

Yeah, I agree, but if you want to put an end to it, you need the American public. There's no other way to go. talking about big corporations will go nowhere. <p></p><i></i>

[sijepuis]

Good heavens, my dear NewKid<br><br>What empirical, delusional propaganda you put forth.<br><br>Think again.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

Huh? <br><br>Maybe I missed your point entirely. Would care to explain it again? <p></p><i></i>