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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:53 pm

conference today and said NOTHING!!! <p></p><i></i>
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canned hunts

Postby nashvillebrook » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:53 pm

could there be anything more offensive? do they bring the birds with them in the back of the Chevy? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: canned hunts

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:05 pm

And the ranch owner gal was sitting in the car when it happened. What was she doing, just sitting there while the other three hunted? Too weird. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: canned hunts

Postby professorpan » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:12 pm

Not just the ranch owner (Armstrong), but another woman:<br><br>Pamela Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland, another member of the hunting party, told The Dallas Morning News for a story in Tuesday's editions that she and Cheney didn't realize Whittington had picked up a bird and caught up with them.<br><br>Willeford said she has hunted with Cheney before and would again.<br><br>"He's a great shot. He's very safety conscious. This is something that unfortunately was a bad accident and when you're with a group like that, he's safe or safer than all the rest of us," she said.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Birdshot_pellets_to_remain_in_Cheney_0214.html">rawstory.com/news/2005/Bi..._0214.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: canned hunts

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:34 pm

MaryKmusic: re: birdogs -- I think you're right. Especially considering there's been NO mention of dogs at all, and Richardson said Whittington retrieved his own bird (wouldn't pointers be trained to fetch-it once the bird is shot? And too <br>-- no one in their right mind is liable to let an armed Cheney get near a much-valued, well-trained dog.)<br><br>Nashvillebrook:<br>"could there be anything more offensive? do they bring the birds with them in the back of the Chevy?"<br><br>Jeez, if they DO set-up the hunt like that ... It'd be even more disgusting than I'd imagined.<br><br>MUCH more sporting and even challenging (You read it here first -- by Gawd, I should patent this idea! Somebody -- Let's go dibbs) -- a fleet of a dozen or more drone-airplanes with razor-edged wings that 'attack' the hunter with high-speed bob-and-weave dives, the 'hunter-killer' has to shoot out of the sky. Perhaps the 'hunter' wears a radio-beam transmitter the drones hone-in on so a standby airplane-operator isn't even necessary (no second-party to get in the field of fire -- drones programmed to fly acrobatics and use radar to avoid crashing into the ground).<br><br>I wonder if Cheney is chauffered in an up-armored Chevy Suburban? The absurd 'image' of Cheney being transported in an armoured vehicle, accompanied at all times by an armed personal bodyguard detachment, so he's secure and well-protected and can devote all his attention to shooting little defenceless birds bred for the single purpose of their death by self-important priveleged white-guys (with few exceptions; they're all basically members of the insider's club, ie. Pam, the Bush family 'friend', Ambassador to Switzerland) sure 'fits' the stereotype of a fat-cat creep. <br><br>I suspect the birds are perhaps driven to the spot and 'released' to get ambushed by a task-specific crew in another vehicle. Then there's probably another vehicle for Special Services agents and Cheney's personal medical-assistance crew (who attended Whittington, and also are involved in Whittington's ongoing hospital care as I've read -- isn't THAT wierd?)<br><br>Shit, it would be more 'sporting' for Cheney to at least borrow a SS handgun and try to kill a coupla birds THAT way. <br><br>Actually, come to think of it, I can almost imagine the Vp running out of shotgun ammo as he gets overwhelmed by the killing bloodlust, and to continue the 'pleasure' of shooting at little birds without interruption he orders an SS agent to hand-over his 22-shot Glock 40mm and a coupla spare clips ...<br><br>BANG! 'Take that you mother ...!' BANG! 'Thought you could get away from Deadeye, uh? Another!' BANG! BANG! BANG!<br>'Ya, that's some sweet action alright, sure swings quicker than my 28 guage too!'<br><br>Re: White House joking about the accident.<br>Yeah, I read that too -- More gist for Bush Crew critics to point-out what crude and boorish louts this bunch are beneath their cultivated smirking veneer of superiority encapsulating sneering venality.<br><br>BTW: I 'enjoyed' the top ten reasons for why Cheney shot his hunting buddy.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: canned hunts

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<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/02/cheneys_hunting.php">Cheney's shotgun victim suffers heart attack</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2006/02/questions_about.html">QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VEEP WHO COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN DICK CHENEY'S HUNTING "ACCIDENT"?</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A smart mid-western friend who has a lot of quail-hunting experience writes:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Quail The entire Cheney hunting accident story stinks. The delay in announcing it is suspicious, obviously. I'll bet Cheney had a few beers in him, but I'm not sure that is illegal in Texas (drinking and hunting is illegal in most states, but I couldn't find out if that includes Texas).<br>But a few other points that may be worth noting:<br>1. The news reports say the accident happened "around 5:30 pm" on Saturday. In Texas, quail can be hunted until 30 minutes after sunset. Sunset on Saturday, in Corpus Christi, was at 6:18, which means they were legal until 6:48. The "around" is suspicious.<br> 2. The news reports say that after Whittington (left) had gotten off his shot and went looking for his bird, Cheney and the other hunter went to another spot where they saw a covey of quail. Texas quail might be different from Iowa quail, but in Iowa when a shotgun goes off, every quail within earshot flutters away. The story doesn't make sense.<br>3. None of the stories have commented on the fact that they were "road hunting", or hunting from a car. That is just about the lowest kind of low-rent, dishonorable kind of hunting there is (the phrase "road hunting" is often used synonymously with "poaching"). When I was growing up in Iowa, I went pheasant or quail hunting on scores of occasions with my Dad and others. We never would have hunted from a vehicle and it was an insult to even suggest that someone might. It was considered dangerous and declasse, as it was too great an advantage for the hunter to be "fair". It most states, including Texas, it is also illegal: <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"It is unlawful to hunt from or by means of motor-driven vehicles and land conveyances or aircraft of any kind except paraplegics and single or double amputees of legs may hunt from stationary motor-driven vehicles or land conveyances."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>However, Texas exempts private property owners from the prohibition when they are on their own land and Cheney was with the property owner on his ranch. But it is still really tacky.<br><br>4. Hunting quail in Texas requires an "Upland game bird stamp", which costs $7. This is a relatively new requirement, but I'll bet Cheney didn't have one.<br>5. The spin is that Whittington "came up from behind the Vice President", implying that he snuck up on him or was somehow partially responsible because Cheney didn't know he was there. When hunting, it is bad form to walk in front of someone's gun. When given a choice, one would always approach another hunter from behind.<br>Cheney has gotten negative press in the past for participating in "canned hunts" and a couple of years ago he got really negative press for going on a canned pheasant hunt in Pennsylvania where he got between 70 and 95 birds (depending on which report is to be believed). The typical daily limit in places like Iowa and South Dakota, where we have many more pheasants than Pennsylvania, is 3 or 5 per day and a possession limit of 15 or 20. <br>To many of our milieu, hunting is hunting is hunting and the distinctions noted above aren't that big of a deal. To hunters, these are important distinctions. Hunting regulations are strictly enforced in most states and every sixpack Joe knows he better abide by them or he'll get in trouble. Most hunters aren't affluent suede vest guys, they are working class guys within a couple of generations of agriculatural roots. The gluttony of shooting 70 pheasant in a day is almost impossible for them to comprehend.<br>Focusing on the kill rather than the hunt is frowned upon. Killing more than you can eat is frowned upon. Canned hunts and that kind of over-indulgence is for the Rambo hunters, who are not thought highly of by the old-fashioned Izaak Walton league type of guys, like my Dad.<br>Someone should be asking if Cheney was drinking, if he was properly licensed with his Upland Game Bird Stamp, when (and if) the hunting accident was actually reported to the authorities and if anyone has investigated why the quail in Texas seem to have gone deaf.<br>Ms. Armstrong claims to have been in the car, but to have witnessed the shooting. If so, that would mean the hunters were fairly close, within eyeshot, which makes it even less likely that Whittington had gotten off a shot at a quail and then there were other quail still waiting around for Cheney to find them. It just does not make sense!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Beer

Postby professorpan » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:43 pm

From MSNBC:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11349649">msnbc.msn.com/id/11349649</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved in the accident. She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."<br><br>And Mark Crispin Miller reports that details of the incident are already disappearing from news accounts:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2006/02/cbs-new-york-times-cover-up-cover-up.html">markcrispinmiller.blogspo...er-up.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Beer

Postby sunny » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:17 pm

Prof, heres the link you posted in Jeffs blog comments section:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060213_accident_hunting_cheney/">www.truthdig.com/report/i...ng_cheney/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Funny how Cheney shot the only liberal Republican in Texas.<br><br>Also, funny how Whittington is the guy who knows where (and how many) all the bodies from Katrina are buried. For a "seriously civilized" fellow, that might be something he would be willing to weigh in on, in public. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Are birds so stupid they would fly to their predators?

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:14 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>This was a "canned" hunt, using farm raised birds released from cages. They are not wild and have none of the instincts that a normal field bird would have. It is understandable that they might fly any which way, especially considering that dogs could have gotten in front of the birds and flushed them back toward the hunters</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not so sure that I agree. These birds lack experience, not necessarily instincts. In the wild, some of the "inexperienced" birds might have already been dead. But, quail have a "herd" mentality, tend to flush at the same time, wheeling kind of together, in pretty much the same direction away from danger, from what I've seen. In other words, away from Cheney and away from the guy behind him, and away from....the ambassador to Switzerland(?). And, I can't say my setters have ever flushed the birds towards the hunter. It still doesn't matter, though. Cheney f**ked up, bad. Lousy hunter, weird hunter Good thing he got his deferment before being drafted to Nam, otherwise he would have got all his unit killed by the time he was done..<br><br>As for those who say this is an improper news focus for the Dem side, think again. A lousy hunter is a big red state issue, hard to overlook. Only elitists will dare say it should not matter. It is about character, and this example highlights character. <p></p><i></i>
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It Just Doesn't GET Any Better Than THIS....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:54 pm

....C'mon, people, he shot a LAWYER here! Gotta luv that Dick!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Not to mention, that this particular lawyer got his "Big Job" courtesy of the Resident of these Untied States, back when he was the Guv'ner uv Texass! Whut did he know 'n' WHEN did he threaten ta "spill it"!!!<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: It Just Doesn't GET Any Better Than THIS....

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:48 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_firedoglake_archive.html#113995697605718161">firedoglake.blogspot.com/...7605718161</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is what the State of Texas thinks of hunting accidents that injure innocent people if your surname happens to be Hispanic and you're not the big, white boozehound Vice President of the United States:<br>An undocumented Mexican immigrant was shot and killed Sunday evening in an apparent hunting accident on a Webb County ranch owned by the family of former U.S. diplomat John G. Hurd.<br><br>"The illegals were crouching out in the brush. They said they mistook this guy for a hog," said Webb County Sheriff Juan Garza....<br><br>Juan Garza Mendoza, 34, an employee of the ranch, was charged Monday with manslaughter, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison....<br><br>Mendoza had apparently hit Barrera Vasquez while shooting at a feral hog, and immediately contacted authorities after the shooting, Hurd said.<br><br>Sheriff Garza said interviews with three of the victim's Mexican traveling companions and the others in the ranch hunting party led him to rule out anything but an accidental shooting.<br><br>"They mistakenly shot a human being," he said. "It's reckless. It's inexcusable."<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mendoza was indicted for manslaughter but the district attorney eventually dropped the charges in favor of a civil suit. The court found the ranch owner was liable to the tune of $20 million in the case. No wonder Katharine Armstrong was so anxious to have the Texas Parks and Wildlive Division (of which she was the former Chairman) come out and give Dick a pass on the whole thing, saying no alcohol or drugs were involved in the incident -- although there is no indication that they interviewed and/or tested Cheney or anyone else involved in the matter in a timely fashion.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>(hat tip to Fred Vincy at Stone Court)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: It Just Doesn't GET Any Better Than THIS....

Postby professorpan » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:37 pm

Heads-up: today Cheney is going on TV to discuss the incident at 2pm EST.<br><br>Of course, it will be FAUX News, and not live. I'm *sure* they'll ask him some serious, hard-hitting questions.<br><br>These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:I wonder if Cheney will talk about the pellet just fo

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:43 pm

in the guy's LIVER!<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/cheneys-chappaquiddick-i_b_15711.html">www.huffingtonpost.com/rj...15711.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:I wonder if Cheney will talk about the pellet just fo

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:17 pm

What a wimp to go only in front of Faux. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:I wonder if Cheney will talk about the pellet just fo

Postby marykmusic » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:15 pm

He just admitted, "I'm the one that pulled the trigger..." <br><br>Gosh, that really will get the gun people off his case... now he's merely an idiot and bad sportsman. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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