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Re: Masonic Presidents.

Postby Seventhsonjr » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:30 pm

A few issues and corrections:<br><br>First: I did not mention the Freemasons.<br><br>They MIGHT have been mentioned in a thread I linked, but I haven't posted too many links --- though it IS mentioned in the link which Sweejak posted, I believe --- AND I find that a very worthwhile perspective from a Jewish investigative journalist and political writer. He would be attacked by the Jewish right as a self-hating jewish antiSemite, though, and thus they defend their turf and cover up their crimes (Just as the crime of murdering the peacemaker Rabin by the zealous and the Likudnik-Mossadites has been covered up)<br><br>Second : Kerry did NOT "tap" (ie select) Bush for Skull and Bones. he was two classes behind him.<br><br>Thridly, I really do not know of any ties between the Freemasons and Skull and Bones. Sure there may be overlaps, but the Skull and Boines operation was almost entirely unique, was uniquely anglo-German "protestant" (ie WASP) - seems to have its esoteric ties to the Thule society and is based in large part on the Hegelian theory that the fascist state is the paradigm of reason - and thus is an imperative ideal for the "superior race" of Nordics.<br><br>Lucifer might be one of their angels (and Satatn one of their idols) but basically their viewpoint is nihilistic: the focus on death has to do with the concept that the material world is all there is, that death awaits, and that you must get it while you can by any means necessary for yourslef, your progeny, and for the "brotherhood of the skull" - hence the oaths of allegiance and silence unto death of kerry and Bush et al.<br><br>I think this secret intel-financial operation essentially replaced the other secret socieiites via their ability to manipulate markets, governments, political parties, and information (the media).<br><br>I also think that the most solid research available on this comes from Webster Tarpley, altho he does drift off into some theories that I think are unfounded to some degree in the end of the book (the Thyroid Storm issues).<br><br>Re: the Thyroid, the damage to ALL of our thyroids is the result of global radioactive iodine pollution and other isotopes leaking mostly from commercial reactors globally, but also from above ground nuke tests in the '40's and '50's and atmospherioc tests in the Pacific and in China, Noprth Korea, India, Pakistan etc.<br><br>Even the below ground tests yield isotope releases which travel in the jet stream globally and rain down on us, get into our food and water, and are ingested in the air we breath, food woater, in utero, in the mammaries, and they cause birth defects, spontanoeus abortions, heart problems, etc - not to mention cancer, autism, mad cow, hypothyroidism, bipolar disorder, ADHD, and schizophrenia, to name a few I will not mention for now. (see Dr. Ernest Sternglass's articles andf others at www.radiation.org for much more on this (go to links there).<br><br>The madness of our generation and of the Bushes can, in part, be blamed on our own global self poisoning by radiation.<br><br>And who are the biggest engineers of commercial and military nukes? Rockefeller (Bechtel) Halliburton (Brown and Root), and General Electric (Reagan/Bush, NBC, etc.), among others, all with interlocking directorates to the top banks.<br><br>You almost do not NEED a secret society like the Masons anymore, or even Skull and Bones --- the F*cking fascists and terrorists RUN the global military-intel corporate media and resource machine and we are just the bellywash that greases their wheels in war and profit. They have risen, like the scum that they are, to the very pinnacle of the mountaintop of greed and power.<br><br>It is the same mountaintop where the great Temptor tempted the Prophet Jesus in many respects: all the riches and power and armies and pleasure (lust in necrtophilic fantasies of death and suffering) in the world.<br><br>They are in for a very interesting judgment day (or weeks or years or aeons), I'd guess.<br><br>They have taken it<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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re rothschilds

Postby toscaveritas » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:32 pm

The best summary of research IMO was done by David Ick on this subject. <br><br>some excerpts from his page:<br><br>To expose or question the actions of the Rothschilds or any other Jewish person or organisation is to be called a "nazi" and "anti-semitic", that all-encompassing label which has discredited so many researchers and stopped them having the opportunity to speak in public because of protest by unthinking robot radicals and the refusal of venues to host their meetings. I have had this from time to time, not least in eastern Canada thanks to a campaign by B'nai B'rith and the Anti-Defamation League (which spends it's entire time trying to defame people). Both organisations, I repeat, are Rothschild created and controlled.<br><br>How strange then, that as I have documented in And The Truth Shall Set You Free and The Biggest Secret, along with endless other researchers and scholars, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded by…the Rothschilds. It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to power through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the Thule Society and the Vril Society which they created through their German networks; it was the Rothschilds who funded Hitler through the Bank of England and other British and American sources like the Rothschild's Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution.<br><br>The very heart of Hitler's war machine was the chemical giant, I.G. Farben, which had an American arm that was controlled by the Rothschilds through their lackeys, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, who manipulated into existence the privately-owned "central bank" of America, the Federal Reserve, in 1913, was on the board of American I.G. Indeed Hitler's I.G. Farben, which ran the slave labour camp at Auchwitz, was, in reality, a division of Standard Oil, officially owned by the Rockefellers, but in truth the Rockefeller empire was funded into existence by…the Rothschilds. See And The Truth Shall Set You Free and The Biggest Secret for the detailed background of this and other aspects of this story. The Rothschilds also owned the German news agencies during both World Wars and thus controlled the flow of "information" to Germans and the outside world. Incidentally, when Allied troops entered Germany they found that the I.G. Farben factories, the very core of Hitler's war operation, had not been hit by the mass bombing and neither had Ford factories - another Illuminati supporter of Hitler. Other factories nearby had been demolished by bombing raids.<br><br>So the force behind Adolf Hitler, on behalf of the Illuminati, was the House of Rothschild, this "Jewish" bloodline which claims to support and protect the Jewish faith and people. In fact they use and sickeningly abuse the Jewish people for their own horrific ends. The Rothschilds, like the Illuminati in general, treat the mass of the Jewish people with utter contempt. They are, like the rest of the global population, just cattle to be used to advance the agenda of global control and mastery by a network of interbreeding bloodlines, impregnated with a reptilian genetic code, and known to researchers as the Illuminati.<br><br>snip<br><br><br>he Balfour declaration was a letter from Lord Balfour to…Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild. Researchers say that the letter was in fact WRITTEN by Lord Rothschild and his employee, the banker, Alfred Milner. Now get this. One of the most important secret societies of the 20th century is called the Round Table. It is based in Britain with branches across the world. It is the Round Table that ultimately orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Royal Institute of International Affairs. See my books for details. How fascinating then, that Lord Balfour was an inner circle member of the Round Table, Alfred Milner was the Round Table's official leader after the death of Cecil Rhodes, and the Round Table was funded by..Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild. These were the very three people involved in the Balfour Declaration of 1917.<br><br>Two years later, in 1919, came the Versailles Peace Conference near Paris when the elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war these same people had created. They decided to impose impossible reparations payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the post-war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable ecomonic collapse and thus create the very circumstances that brought the Rothschild, Hitler, to power. It was while in Paris that these Illuminati, Round Table, members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating the Bilderberg-CFR-RIIA-Trilateral Commission network. They also decided at Versailles that they now all supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. As I show in my books, EVERY ONE of them was either a Rothschild bloodline or was controlled by them. <br><br>snip<br><br>The Rothschilds have always been the true force behind the Zionist Movement. Zionism is in facr SIONism, Sion = the Sun, hence the name of the elite secret society behind the Merovingian bloodline, the Priory of Sion. Contrary to most people's understanding, Zionism is not the Jewish people. Many Jews are not Zionists and many non-Jews are. Zionism is a political movement, not a race. To say Zionism is the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American people. Jewish people who oppose Zionism, however, have been given a very hard time.<br><br>Now, having manipulated their puppet-governments to support their plan for a personal fiefdom in the Middle East, the Rothschilds began the process of settling Jewish people in Palestine. As always they treated their own people with contempt. Enter Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the "Father of Israel", who died in 1934, the man who hosted the Versailles "peace" delegations. Edmond was from the French House, like Guy de Rothschild. Edmond, in fact, began to settle Jews in Palestine as far back as the 1880s (when Charles Taze Russell was making his prediction). He financed Russian Jews to establish settlements in Palestine, but it was nothing to do with their freedom or birthright, it was to advance the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda. Edmond financed the creation of farms and factories and ran the whole operation with a rod of iron. The Jewish farmers were told what to grow and they soon found out who was in charge if they questioned his orders. In 1901, these Jewish people complained to Rothschild about this dictatorship over their settlement or "Yishuv". They asked him:<br><br>"..if you wish to save the Yishuv, first take your hands from it, and…for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting for themselves whatever needs correcting.."<br><br>Baron Rothschild replied:<br><br>"I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists nor organisations, have the right to interfere in my plans.."<br><br>In one sentence, you have the true attitude of the Rothschilds to Jewish people, and indeed, the human population in general. These people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a screen and a means to an end. According to Simon Schama's book, Two Rothschilds and the Land of Israel (Collins, London, 197<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , the Rothschilds acquired 80% of the land of Israel. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/hitler.html">www.davidicke.com/icke/ar...itler.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>the whole page is a fantastic read and certainly NOT 'anti-semetic' ! The Rothschild's never represented the jewish people, acted in their best interest or contributed anything GOOD to the wellbeing of the jewish people, because they simply are NOT jewish! So, if we see the label 'anti-semitism' flung at someone who talks about the Rothschilds, one must seriously wonder why!<br><br>I hope this contributed in a tiny way to this excellent thread and didn't bore anyone. I'm glad to be here and am thoroughly enjoying the combined brain-powers here!<br><br>tosca<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic Presidents.

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:44 pm

'secrets of tomb' by alexanda robbins says bush was tapped but not by kerry<br><br>I said kerry was at the iniation of bush which was around 1967..bush graduated in 68 kerry grad 66<br><br>it is common that many adult bonsers return for the iniation..and the joke being the 2 cousins frolicked in the coffin of mud together worshipping the goddess eugenia..some is from alexandras book some is not<br><br>it is often mentioned that S&B is a masonic lodge<br><br>try google if ya interested.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic Presidents.

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:58 pm

<br>32,000 hits on google regarding S&B and masons..<br><br>more info on S&B and it may be a mason lodge 322 which I previusly stated<br>and many grads attend the ceremony bush can't remember if his papa attended..the tapper is one yr ahead..BUT the iniation ceremony is attended by any bonser<br><br>now accepting female members..alexanda is a member<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.gaiaguys.net/Skull-and-Bones.htm">www.gaiaguys.net/Skull-and-Bones.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>A death cult at the heart of the United States establishment? Impossible surely? But look a little closer and you'll see that seems to be exactly what George W Bush's family club, the order of Skull and Bones, is. Known variously as 'Bonesmen', 'The Order' and 'The Russell Trust Association', George W.Bush's father and grandfather were both initiated into this 'society' who's badge is a skull and cross bones with the lodge number 322 below it. <br><br> <br><br>Lodge 322 is believed to have been founded on June 28th 1832. And the Skull and Bones are believed to have a commemoration ceremony on 28th June every year. This year (2002) on this date George W. Bush was relieved of his presidency for several hours, Dick Cheyne took over running the world's only superpower while Bush was 'undergoing hospital tests'. <br><br> <br><br>If the Nazis' occult Thule Society had been exposed in the twenties millions might not have died - I would like to see the 'Bonesmen' and any other secret groups hungry for power fully exposed as unfit to hold positions of public responsibility. <br><br> <br><br>GEORGE W. BUSH: Without revealing all the great secrets? I got a few of my old club mates who could demystify it right off the bat. My dad didn't tap me. Someone a year ahead of me tapped me. There was an entry celebration. I can't remember whether my dad showed up or not. I don't think so……………… <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic Presidents.

Postby slimmouse » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:12 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>First: I did not mention the Freemasons<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> My profoundest apologies. Too much of the falling down water it appears.<br><br> I could have sworn this was mentioned in one of your posts. I will make absolutely certain I use the quote function with regards to whoever I am referencing next time.<br><br> Im hoping meanwhile you can appreciate that none of us are enemies of each other - and especially here.<br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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The word anti-semitic

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:36 pm

Damn, I only have time to scan so I may be out of context here.<br><br>Let me suggest we dispense with the nonsense word "anti-semitic". It is inaccurate at best and at worst it is a code word for squashing dissent and discussion, hence inflammatory. I mean, many Moroccans are Semites, Iraqis and Arabs too, many Jews are not Semites. Plus the very concept of race is a little 20th century. The word is blown, it's not even useful. I think we can all agree that the people who run things don't have countries, they have clubs and cults.<br>gotta run. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re rothschilds

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:39 pm

Tosca: Not a boring post at all, even if it did come from Icky. It would appear that the Rothschilds are just very influential people who happen to have Jewish heritage. I don't think that makes anyone anti-Semitic. What, are we not supposed to notice when a powerful ape is Jewish? <br><br>By "ape," I mean all of us, the "human" race, which is fascinated endlessly by hierarchy. We just happen to have brains that are able to grasp conspiracy in that hierarchical struggle. It is vital to us, like our Baboon cousins, to grasp who's in charge.<br><br>But I babble on.....<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic Presidents.

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:41 pm

RE: Eisenhower:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/iblog/C177199123/E1794399476/index.html">homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/i...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic Presidents.

Postby slimmouse » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:06 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Lucifer might be one of their angels (and Satatn one of their idols) but basically their viewpoint is nihilistic: the focus on death has to do with the concept that the material world is all there is, that death awaits, and that you must get it while you can by any means necessary for yourslef, your progeny, and for the "brotherhood of the skull" - hence the oaths of allegiance and silence unto death of kerry and Bush et al<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Well thats might be what they think IYO, but Im not convinced. I believe they are trying to manifest/create their own vision of how the afterlife should be, thru their grab it and shit on all and sundry attitude in this life. I see that being the message of their "controller."<br><br> This furthermore leads me to conclude that theyve probably made connections. Convinced that what they are doing now will be how it plays out eternally, providing they believe it hard enough.<br><br> But at the same time, I would suggest that theyre playing a lose lose game<br><br> Remember what I said about the followers force of darkness on this earth being nothing but a group of hideous conmen saying nice things in to their followers in this life ? Why should anyone in their right mind, logically think that the real deal is any different ?<br><br> Ive just thought of a striking parallell in an article I posted recently regarding psyops in Northern Ireland. This involves a known "bad guy" being recruited by The UK security services to penetrate the IRA, commit atrocities on behalf of his controllers, and then complain ( and fortunately whistleblow ) when those evil bastards who controlled him tried to silence him by whacking him in an operation. <br><br> I mean, what did this guy seriously expect ?<br><br> Needless to say the "controllers" were performing the exact same operations on both sides.<br><br><br> I therefore think the Modern day satanists are being conned. They just aint realised it yet.<br><br> Others hopefully see through the deception . I personally believe in the contemporary philosophy that the only <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>real</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> truth is love. I guess that was what jesus was saying according to the gospels. Forget the politics or the money or the bullshit.<br><br> I guess We might all do well to remember that. Believe in it, strive hard to express it, And spread the word too. <p></p><i></i>
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Icke

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:13 pm

I have yet to hear him come up with an original bit of verifiable data- of the earthbound, mundane sort- that I haven't found elsewhere. <br><br>But yeah, much of the material he presents has entered into the realm of incontrovertible evidence and historical fact. <p></p><i></i>
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David Ickers is full of shyte

Postby Seventhson » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:15 pm

And you QUOTE him even:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"they (The Rothschilds) are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>WTF in Jesus Christ's name is all this bullshit about the Rothschilds being NOT HUMAN (and therefore not Jewish) but REPTILES???'<br><br>It is really quite sickening to see an a**hole like Ickes being cited in what I thought was a serious discussion board.<br><br>AND, Once again, the whole freakin' shebang is based on uncited sources (read the book! read the book! Ickes reiterates) and IGNORES the WASP fascist angle.<br><br>Gimme a break.<br><br>Ickes has no credibility whatsoever on any of this stuff.<br><br>Pure and simple disinformation wrapped up in a nice antiSemitic bow.<br><br>Its all Jewish reptilian nonhumans!!! he says.<br><br>As for "retiring" the issue of antiSemitism, I don't think I can do that any more than if saomebody begins posting "racist" crap (and I agree that the term race is a misnomer, according to geneticists, as we all are part of one human race that has no subcategories of race. Genetically we are all related and part of one "race".)<br><br>BVut if I see stupid assholey quotes like Ickes claiming that the NWO are reptilian of Jewish extraction I am going to vomit all over this board.<br><br>It will not be for the squeamish.<br><br>If you choose to post idiot disinformationists designed only to discredit the left and conspiracy theories or the "challenge" the politically "correct" then you need to come up with something that is not so braindead as this charlatan a**hole.<br><br>Otherwise you are in for a bit of a feud.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Masonry

Postby robertdreed » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:22 pm

Might I suggest that in the absence of other relevant data points, the mere fact of one's membership in Masonry is just short of meaningless?<br><br>I'd always include the fact of membership in someone's profile, if I could authenticate it. By itself, it just doesn't signify very much, though. <br><br>This is often pointed out in even the most scathingly critical, dire admonitions about the character and purpose of the Lodges as institutions. <p></p><i></i>
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language

Postby AnnaLiviaPlurabelle » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:46 pm

"semitic" refers only to a language family. the biggest group of semites is the Arabs.<br><br>it's "anti-semitic" that is a misnomer. hope that helps. <p></p><i></i>
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Icke is Tripe IMNSHO

Postby Seventhson » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:48 pm

Icke's an antiSemite disinformationist - try this<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> For what its worth - all good propaganda has a little lie mixed with the truth but these guys are recruiting for Bush and his militias according to this article.<br><br>Danger Will Robinson!!!<br><br>64.233.161.104/search?q=c...n&ie=UTF-8<br><br>(more at link)<br><br><br>www.publiceye.org/Icke/Ic...ounder.htm<br><br>David Icke And The Politics Of Madness<br><br>Where The New Age Meets The Third Reich<br><br>by Will Offley<br><br>February 29, 2000<br><br>On the face of it, few people would credit a retired soccer player who rants about a world takeover by blood-drinking lizards from outer space as being much of a threat to democracy. And as a general rule, they would probably be right. <br><br>David Icke, however, is an exception to that rule.<br><br>Icke, 48, is a native of Leicester, England. For five years he played professionally for the Coventry City and Hereford United soccer teams until forced to retire by arthritis. He subsequently went on to become a sports announcer for BBC-TV. For three years from 1988 to 1991 he was national spokesperson for the British Green Party, until he began a political evolution that was to begin with his expulsion from the Greens and wind up with his current involvement with anti-Semitism, neofascism, and lizards from Mars.1<br><br>At first this evolution seemed relatively harmless. Icke began to flirt seriously with New Age theories, and then began to act on them. He dressed in turquoise, and began to call himself the "son of godhead". But by the time his book "The Robot's Rebellion" was printed in 1994, his trajectory had begun to take quite a different course. In 1996, the British magazine "Left Green Perspectives" wrote that this book "indicated a convergence of New Age thinking with Nazi philosophy. Casting aside his pat concerns about the environment, Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy." <br><br>The following year Icke brought out another book, "...and the truth shall set you free." This one, however, was self-published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed. And small wonder. The book repeated Icke's previous claims that the Protocols were true, and went on to state: "I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament." 2<br><br>In this book, Icke went even further. He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial, saying "why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history." 3 He also denounced the Nuremberg Trials as "a farce" and "a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation" 4<br><br>Icke's politics today are a mishmash of most of the dominant themes of contemporary neofascism, mixed in with a smattering of topics culled from the U.S. militia movement. He has written diatribes on the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as examples of secret plots to take over the world. He opposes gun control as a plot by this Elite, which has deliberately orchestrated numerous mass shootings to whip up opposition to guns. 5 He has repeatedly posted anti-abortion literature and articles on his web site. 6 He rails against conspiracies to implant microchips in everyone's bodies, coded with the Satanic number "666". 7 He even accuses the U.S. government of carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing and murdering 168 men, women and children. 8<br><br>For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability. In his web site autobiography he reveals that as early as 1990 he became aware of "a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall." A year later, on holiday in Peru, Icke describes hearing voices: "as I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me.... Suddenly I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so.... A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill, and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain"." 9 <br><br>Over the last year Icke's writings have become so paranoid and so extreme that many are probably inclined to dismiss him as posing any sort of threat, or requiring a response. Icke is now arguing in all seriousness that the Illuminati plot to take over the world is actually being carried out by a race of extraterrestrial reptiles in human form. They are described, literally, as being child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape, whose ranks include George Bush, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson, among others. 10<br><br>David Icke is not alone. He is a small industry in a large and lucrative market of often well-to do New Age boomers. He has several web sites, an e-magazine, his own publishing house, and at least 9 books and 4 videotapes to his credit. He is constantly on the road, touring North America, Europe, Australia, South Africa, the Pyramids, and elsewhere. In the last five years he has spoken in Vancouver as many times, and across Canada he can turn out substantial audiences. His organizers claim he had 1,000 people out to hear him at his last gig in Vancouver, and he hopes to fill the Vogue Theatre on March 19. It's a large milieu that can afford the hefty prices Icke charges - up to $67 to attend a lecture, forty to fifty dollars for videotapes - and that generates a sizeable income for Icke and his message of conspiracism, fear and hate.<br><br>To organize all this, Icke has developed an international network of people who work with him and for him. They book the dates, churn out the posters and press releases, do the advance work, pick him up at the airport, get him to the hotel, introduce him, and get him back to his flight on time. They also show clearly why David Icke is a dangerous man, because they underscore his politics in an unmistakable way.<br><br>Icke is undeniably a flake, and a world-class flake, but his danger comes from his alliances as well as his politics. And it's the far right who handle this man, who package and promote and present his message across Canada and around the world.<br><br>Take Joseph Duggan. Duggan is the proprietor of Strong Eagles Productions, the company organizing Icke's current Vancouver speaking engagement. Duggan makes his living in part from organizing B.C. speaking engagements for a string of conspiracy theorists and famous personalities of the extreme right like Glen Kealey, Cathy O'Brien, Len Horowitz and others. 11 Duggan also used to be the health editor of Shared Vision until last year, which has itself advertised tours by Icke and hosted speeches by him as well. Interspersed with monthly columns on health foods and natural healing, Duggan's writings in Shared Vision also promoted the far right anti-government activist Murray Gauvreau 12, Colorado militia supporter Suzanne Harris 13, and the notorious Glen Kealey. 14<br><br>In March 1997, Duggan's column referred extensively to the book "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" by American writer Richard K. Hoskins. 15 Hoskins has been denounced as "a virulent anti-Semite who is a leading ideologue of the Christian Identity movement" by no less a source than Conrad Black's National Post. When Aryan Nations member Buford Furrow was arrested in Los Angeles last August after shooting and wounding five people at a Jewish community centre and murdering a Filipino postal worker, police found a copy of "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" in his car. 16<br><br>Icke's books and videos are also distributed by an organization in Salmon Arm, B.C. called The Preferred Network. The Preferred Network's web site advertises at least four of Icke's books and the same number of videotapes, as well as an extensive selection of U.S. and Canadian conspiracy materials covering the traditional themes particular to the far right: the government coverup of the Oklahoma City bombing, "The 10 Secrets Revenue Canada Doesn't Want You To Know", "Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins", the AIDS coverup, the Ebola coverup, the Lockerbie coverup, the PanAm 800 coverup, "Satanism And The CIA", and Kari Simpson's expose of the gay agenda in B.C. schools. 17<br><br>David Lethbridge, director of the Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism, has described the organizer of The Preferred Network in the following way: "a well-attended demonstration opposing the Multilateral Agreement on Investment was held [in the spring of 1998] in Salmon Arm, B.C.... Working the fringes was Wes Mann, organizer of the Preferred Network. Mann was handing out flyers for conspiracy advocates David Icke, Ted Gunderson and Cathy O'Brien. Whenever he could, Mann would strike up a conversation with one of the demonstrators, then write down their name and phone number. I knew who Mann was. His Preferred Network catalog carries several dozen books and tapes promoting the usual New Age fare: cancer cures, spiritualist prophecies, UFO tales and so on. But much of the catalog consists of materials promoting right-wing militias and right-wing conspiracy theories, and books by notorious fascists and antisemites such as Eustace Mullins. I went over to Mann, who did not recognize me, and began to question him. Within minutes he was telling me that the MAI was the work of a conspiracy organized by the mysterious "Black Nobility" and the "International Bankers". The anti-Jewish code words were obvious. Soon Mann was telling me that the antisemitic forgery The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion was authentic, that the Nazi Holocaust had never occurred, that the contemporary Jews were not Jews at all but descendants of the Turkish Khazars, and that the fascist Eustace Mullins was "a brilliant researcher"." <br><br>'''<br><br>more at link<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonry

Postby slimmouse » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Might I suggest that in the absence of other relevant data points, the mere fact of one's membership in Masonry is just short of meaningless?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Indeed. <br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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