Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

[thoughtographer]

This is a great thread. The title and subject matter couldn't be more symbolically appropriate. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[rothbardian]

Reed--<br><br>You say that "my case is threadbare". What case? I don't have a case. I just have some questions I'd like to discuss. I have stated this over and over (and over). Yet you keep crediting me with having a final opinion. Maybe a course at the Zoolander School For People Who Don't Read Good is in order?<br><br>Then you inform me that I'm not "really interested" in this subject (because I'm not going about it per your instructions). Reed my man, are those your thought-police powers at work? No, I am indeed interested in the subject. That's why I brought it up. Sitting around a discussion board, having a discussion is a valid information-gathering method. You've really lost me there.<br><br>You say that I am baiting people. Your confused. I was quietly going about my business in starting this thread. After only four posts, and with absolutely no formed opinions, Pan stepped in with a gratuitously obnoxious slap (something about "absurdity") and in the other post, Qutb announced that he was howling with laughter. Then you chimed in. <br><br>But if I respond to the condescension...it's 'baiting'? That's an amazing double standard. <br> <br>Why wouldn't your post to me now also be 'baiting'? This thread was fairly well back on track until you just showed up. So, am I baiting you now in responding to your post?<br> <br>Yeah, I'd like very much to get back to the subject I introduced. Sepka has made some interesting comments. Mother also. And God bless John Darmy...he had a link to this book I've wanted to read. But I believe it's important to deal with this issue. There are people running around here who think they're the Intimidation Police...who give themselves license to dish out verbal slams, but if us mere mortals talk back, it's 'inappropriate'. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[rothbardian]

<br>Sepka--<br><br>You make some interesting points. I do not know that the Titanic was deliberately sunk, but it is interesting to me to compare some of your thoughts/arguments to other scenarios such as the JFK assassination and the 9/11 attack.<br><br>One thing is that you're assuming they would've needed to have a precision-oriented plan in order to make a Titanic conspiracy feasible. But I have observed that some of these evil powerful people have been perfectly content to take big, sloppy swipes at things: If they only knock off a hundred VIPs by sinking the Titanic, as opposed to two hundred VIPs..oh well, all in a day's work.<br><br>If Bush Sr. can only arrange to have Reagan seriously wounded...oh well, back to the drawing boards. Conspirators (if there were any) might have been content to simply set certain things in motion, and if it worked...fine. If not, oh well. Didn't Nelson Rockefeller take a couple of sloppy swipes at President Ford? Wasn't Jeff reporting substantial rumors of the PTB and Cheney maneuvering to set off some domestic nukes? That apparently didn't work. <br><br>A while back, Paul Craig Roberts (a former high-ranking Reagan official) reported he'd heard rumors about a planned domestic nuke detonation (offshore in the Gulf of Mexico). A day or two later, Webster Tarpley (some sort of PTB enforcer agent?) stepped forward and stated that Bush&Co. had become rogues and were on the verge of being outed regarding 9/11. Sure enough, NewYorker mag came out with a huge article presenting 9/11 revisionism and Charlie Sheen started talking. Back to the drawing boards for the psychopaths?<br><br>I don't know for a fact, that there were all these connections, but it is interesting to think about. My original point was that these PTB conspiracies are a lot sloppier than one might at first think. These guys aren't as good as they often get credit for.<br><br>Think about the systematic explosions, as the WTC towers were coming down. What carefully calculated plan did the PTB have for handling a situation where dozens of firefighters (and others) all reported hearing these telltale explosions? None. They just relied on the huge, brute and sloppy power of the MSM to exclude certain facts from public view. And they've pulled it off so far.<br><br>Could they have done the same with the Titanic (a series of explosions) and gotten away with it? Why not? They didn't even have Internet back then. I don't know any of this for a fact, and maybe that demonstrates the futility of trying to pin this down but...<br><br>..it certainly is interesting to see how potential objections can be addressed by simply looking at other PTB pranks. You mention, for example, a "Board of Inquiry". If they operated anything like the Warren Commission, then God help us.<br><br>No, I do not (yet?) have reason to believe in a Titanic conspiracy but as you yourself stated (in essence) at the end-- they certainly can and have...sunk ships.<br><br>Now I am going to look up that online book that Darmy was talking about. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

The critical comments in question were directed at the ideas expressed in your post, not at yourself personally. <br><br>Therefore, they don't amount to "condescension." <br><br>As for any presumed "thought police" tendencies- none of us have the power to ban you. The discussion is still here. <br><br>You can even continue to devote most of your words to rebuking the scoffers in a bewildered tone, rather than making the case- such as it is- for your hypothesis. <br><br>Have at it. Milk it for all that it's worth. <br><br>If I feel inclined to offer another comment on this page, I'll do so. I currently find that an unlikely possibilty, though. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 5/19/06 12:07 am<br></i>

[rothbardian]

It is interesting to look at back on this whole encounter with you guys, from a big picture standpoint. First, you guys introduced verbal slams and swipes into the equation. But when I respond back to your stuff...somehow in your mind (mysteriously and inexplicably) that's wrong. <br><br>You guys have expressed in any number of different ways that...I err in talking back to you. The gist is that I am wrong to criticize you...but you have not been wrong to criticize me. The whole thing is so illogical and so contradictory...it's just stupefying, after a while.<br><br>And here it is again in your latest post-- this funny little double standard. You disparage the fact that I "devote...words to rebuking". So...do you disparage your own rebuking efforts? Not. <p></p><i></i>

[Sepka]

You've certainly got a point about the idea of the Titanic having been blown up being similar to theories about 9/11 being a controlled demolition, or Dick Cheney conspiring to detonate atom bombs on American soil.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>

[winsomecowboy]

I've been visiting here since long before the BB existed.<br>I hardly ever post, I'm far more comfortable spectating and the alpha male bullshit's frankly masturbatory.<br> <br>For all their intelligence and all their appeals to playing the ball and not the man there is a certain rigidity present among some here wherein reflection and self discipline is forsaken for what seems to me to be an increasingly threadbare cache of semantic self justification.<br>Just human nature I suppose. Pride being what it is.<br><br>I find it encouraging to see unbowed newcomers drawing excess pressure from the untethered firehoses of the old guards transparently brittle nozzles of opinionated self regard.<br>(Please forgive-Laboured metaphors are my tiny life)<br><br>I guess at a certain level of academia humilities politically expedient.<br>However overreaching's equally dangerious.<br><br>rothbardian. The force in you is strong.<br>( Still you have much to learn before you can join antiaristo<br>in the intellectual discipline 'Attilla the Hun-Heads on sticks' category) <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

One from the peanut gallery. Anyone you don't like is a masturbating alpha male. Nice.<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I've been visiting here since long before the BB existed.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Congratulations!<br><br>P.S. - I can't believe that you followed this:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I hardly ever post, I'm far more comfortable spectating and the alpha male bullshit's <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>frankly masturbatory</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>with this:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>For all their intelligence and all their appeals to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>playing the ball and not the man</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> there is <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a certain rigidity</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> present among some here<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Maybe you should "check under the hood" of those labored metaphors... <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 10:56 am<br></i>

[rothbardian]

winsomecowboy--<br><br>That sounds like a nice compliment and I thank you for the encouragement. And you're also right about antiaristo, I believe. We should all doff our hats to anti, for all the suffering he has gone through and is going through, in opposing the PTB (powers that be) in Great Britain. <br><br>I don't quite understand the out-of-hand rejection his reports (of organized criminal activity) receive from a number of people here. We have a powerful evil cabal in the US...why can't the Brits have their own evil cabal? He's just trying to keep his story in some kind of public forum...and he keeps getting slapped down for it. He's got a family he's trying to fight for. Can some of these people here, not add up a simple set of facts like that?<br><br>Anyway...yeah, I just wanted to start a little thread and have a conversation about whether there was any evidence of foul play behind the Titanic story...had barely stepped out of the gate...had stated no opinions, no conclusions, and four posts in, this stomping action commenced.. So my feeling was--'you know what...that ain't right.' So I set aside the Titanic for a moment and addressed that issue.<br><br>thoughtographer--<br><br>I don't know, man. I don't want to incur your wrath but...'winsome' seems only to be dishing out some 'verbal smacks' the same way a few of you guys do <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>all day long</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. And yet you seem to be engaging in a tinge of double standard in that you apparently don't like that he/she is doing that..but you don't mind when <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>you're</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> coming down on somebody. Again, I don't want to make you mad but I don't quite understand that mindset. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And yet you seem to be engaging in a tinge of double standard in that you apparently don't like that he/she is doing that..but you don't mind when you're coming down on somebody. Again, I don't want to make you mad but I don't quite understand that mindset. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I don't mind either way, and I'm not even close to being mad. I'm making jokes because I see so much of this as hyperbolic nonsense, and that includes a lot of the garbage that comes from me. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[winsomecowboy]

<br>Now that Benny Hills passed on your obvious skills are in less demand.<br>(But just as funny)<br>The difference between stroking someone else and stroking yourself is the difference between my post and yours.<br>(I said 'Post' titter titter)<br>I amuse myself, You amuse yourself. My history of observance here at least gives me the advantage of brevity.<br>Now I must excuse myself to expunge all pneumatic references from my lexicon. Out damn firehose..<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[rothbardian]

<br>Uh...OK..I guess. I think 'winsome' has a bit of a point though. I have a fairly strong suspicion that there are any number of would-be contributors who have interesting/strange reports to tell, but remain quiet because some of you more robust souls are loudly and brashly (not neccesarily a bad thing to be loud and brash) throwing high speed fastballs at everyone.<br><br>My opinion--if you value contributions from some of the quieter souls (who may be withholding some very valuable info or astute insights), you might ease up a little now and then.<br><br>Mr. John Darmy---<br><br>I can't get your link to work. Is it just me?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My opinion--if you value contributions from some of the quieter souls (who may be withholding some very valuable info or astute insights), you might ease up a little now and then.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>That's good advice, sincerely. However, I don't see that as being the case here. I see some lurker coming down from on high/up from below to impart their learned wisdom on the masses, and said lurker's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>very informed opinion</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> just happens to fall on the side of those crying persecution. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 12:21 pm<br></i>

[mother]

and Jeff banned Floyd Smoots for what reason? The injustice of it all <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

Beats me. Injustice? Do you wish to see MORE bannings, or LESS? What are you implying, exactly? I sort of got a kick out of Floyd, even though I disagreed with him most of the time. I'm not so sure he's entirely gone though... <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 1:11 pm<br></i>