Cheney shoots 78-year old man

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Re: sorry Avalon

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:30 pm

can't give you "proof" only that I believe what TomInTib is saying here. I definetly should have posted this thread. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=448048">www.democraticunderground..._id=448048</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060217/i/r1408029279.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 2/17/06 2:33 pm<br></i>
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Stand Down -- Operation Successfully Concluded

Postby OptimisticAlgorithm » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:01 pm

It's good to see Whittington out and about.<br><br>However, it's otherwise been a very busy week. While we all frothed over the shooting, look at the high points of what happened:<br><br>1) The Patriot Act was renewed.<br>2) The Senate Intelligence Committe agreed to drop their wrie-tap investigation.<br>3) Bush & Co. will be given a pass, and the crimes will be allowed by grandfathering them into a new Patriot Act authorization.<br>4) Six major U.S. shipping ports were supposedly sold to a "middle-eastern" business group. This should reduce some of our worries over shipping container security, right?<br><br>They did it again folks! Cheney will probably step down soon for "health" reasons, McCain or Rice will be confirmed as the new VP, and the 4th amendment will just be a fairy tale of simpler times.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Damm! <p></p><i></i>
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Getcher story straight Harry!

Postby nomo » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:57 pm

From <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060217/cheney_victim_060217/20060217?hub=TopStories">www.ctv.ca/servlet/Articl...TopStories</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"We all assume certain risks in whatever we do, whatever activity we pursue, and regardless of how experienced, careful and dedicated we are, accidents do and will happen, and that's what happened <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>last Friday</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->," Whittington said.<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Last Friday? You were shot on <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Saturday</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, Harry, remember? We all agreed we would say <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Saturday</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->! <br>Sheesh man.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nomo@rigorousintuition>nomo</A> at: 2/17/06 3:59 pm<br></i>
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Re: Stand Down -- Operation Successfully Concluded

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:01 pm

OptimisticAlgorithm, you sound as if you think none of these other things would have happened if we all hadn't been distracted by the shooting. So, that seems to sound like you really think the Dems have grown a new set of balls recently, and they would have actually stood up to the Ugly Repuglies if it hadn't been for our inattention. Sorry, I disagree. I don't think one single thing would have ended differently, except that some go-along Dems might have postured for a little while longer before caving in and going along. <br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stand Down -- Operation Successfully Concluded

Postby nomo » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:39 pm

I don't think OA is saying these things would not have happened, just that they would probably have received a bit more attention than they did now.<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stand Down -- Operation Successfully Concluded

Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:50 pm

Sadly, I think you're right Nomo. Only three senators stood-up to the Brownshirt Legislation. Revisions forced by last year's bipartisan opposition to the Act's overly-broad provisions galvinized around Wisconson Feingold's stand resulted in essentially cosmetic changes.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13897205.htm">www.mercurynews.com/mld/m...897205.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>--excerpt--<br>Thursday's vote clears the way for final congressional approval, which seems assured once Congress returns after next week's Presidents Day recess.<br>The Patriot Act bill would renew most provisions. Last year, the Senate blocked renewal after Democrats and a few Republicans argued that more protections were needed against government intrusion.<br>Last week, the White House and Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire, the law's leading Republican critic, reached a deal that adds three new civil liberties provisions:<br>• Libraries that function as traditional book lenders and offer Internet access will not be subject to so-called ``national security letters,'' which are essentially subpoenas for business records that the FBI can issue in terrorism investigations without warrants.<br>• Appeals will be allowed of gag orders placed on recipients of national security letters. Appeals could occur one year after receiving the letters.<br>• A requirement that a recipient of a national security letter must provide the FBI with the name of any attorney consulted about the search has been removed.<br>Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said the changes amounted to cosmetics and that the bill remained flawed. He said it still would allow ``government fishing expeditions.''<br>Only Sens. Jim Jeffords, an independent from Vermont, and Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., supported Feingold on Thursday's vote.<br><br>****<br>Re: Whittington released:<br>How pathetic and perverse: Whittington apologizing for causing Cheney so much 'trouble'?<br><br>Oy Mh Dog ...<br>I dunno, I got the feeling that Whittington's doctors might have succumbed to pressure to release him ASAP, in order to kill the media's embarrassing attention and questions about the many irregularities and inconsistencies. Most Americans who weren't waylaid by press reports that ignored the fact that Cheney was protected by Ranch security from seeing a deputy that same saturday evening couldn't help but reflect on this demonstration of elitist above-the-law privelege -- and wondering WHY Cheney stayed-low and incommunicado for as long as it would take for alcohol to leave his system.<br>Hmmm ...<br><br>Also: The claimed distance-of-shooting just plain doesn't jive <br>-- the injury is consistent with a 15 to 30 foot near point-blank shot of a 7 1/2 load @ 28 guage.<br><br>And Karen Armstrong's claimed witnessing the accident at 100 yards is contradicted by her additional statements that the first she knew Whittington was shot was when she saw SS agents running towards Cheney, thinking he had suffered a heart attack. So her comment about Whittington 'not announcing' himself is BS, something she couldn't have first-person knowledge of -- NOT that it would absolve Cheney of sole responsibility even IF Whittington didn't say, 'Hey, here I am' -- Cheney turned and shot without making sure it was safe to do so.<br><br>This whole incident is a classic example of what's wrong with the whole incestuous bunch of arrogant fatcat turds -- they think they're special and untouchable, when they're really nothing but repugnant criminal thugs.<br><br>Also -- another coupla suspicious oddities gleaned among many noteable items posted on Democratic Underground:<br>--quote--<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x417384#446969">www.democraticunderground...384#446969</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The REAL Cheney-Fuddgate Scandal: Lobbying, Iraq contracts, Greed <br> Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 03:22 PM by HamdenRice<br>The NYT's coverage of the fallout from Dick Cheney's shooting accident was subtly snarky, especially when it comes to the business connections among those in the "shooting party."<br><br>The owner of the ranch is identified in news reports merely as Ann Armstrong, a "prominent Republican supporter and whose family ranch is a familiar destination for Republican politicans." Katharine Armstrong, the hostess of the party, and the distraught lady who was tasked with providing information to the local press, is identified merely as a lobbyist, "with a limited list of lobbying clients in Texas and in Washington" and who said, "I don't believe I've ever lobbied the vice president." Just for good measure, the NYT quotes Katharine, the daughter, as saying none of her clients "that I know of" are involved in Iraq.<br><br>But the connections between the Armstrongs, the Bushes, Cheney and Texas royalty are twisted and deep. Maybe the best way of making this intricate web of relationships clearest is by dilineating each family connection.<br><br>Ann Armstrong, the "prominent Republican supporter" is actually a prominent Republican functionary, a corporate businesswoman of astonishing breadth and Texas royalty. <br><br>Ann Armstrong, the mother, was the first woman appointed counsellor to the president with Cabinet rank by Presidents Nixon and Ford (1973-1974). After a stint as US ambassador to the Court of Saint James (ie ambassador to Britain), she became chairman of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board from 1981 to 1990, that is, under Reagan and Bush I, where one of her jobs involved approving covert actions (and given the timing, this would presumably include Contra activities in Central America supervised by George HW Bush). One suspects that Ann knows quite a bit about Bush the elder's adventures in El Salvador and Nicaragua, which have always been suspected of involving cocaine trafficking, if not in Iran, as well. She also is a member of the Seven Revolutions Global Strategy Institute, which tries to project out the structure of the future until 2025 in areas like population, resources, geo-political conflict and economics.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://7revs.csis.org">7revs.csis.org</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> /<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://7revs.csis.org/AdvisoryCommittee/b_armstrong.htm">7revs.csis.org/AdvisoryCo...strong.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>In later years, mother Anne has been a member of the boards of directors of many major corporations, including American Express Company, Boise Cascade, General Motors, and Halliburton Company at the time that it hired Dick Cheney as CEO. <br><br>In Texas, it seems corporate profits are never enough for the rich, and they must dine at the trough of the public sector, as well. Gov. George W. Bush appointed Ann Armstrong as a regent of Texas A&M University System in 1997 and she is chairman of the Executive Committee of the Board of Trustees at the Iraq War friendly Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC. The trusteeships of Texas public universities and other public boards are infamous as rewards for campaign contributions:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tpj.org/docs/2000/10/reports/appointments/bo...">www.tpj.org/docs/2000/10/...ents/bo...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Ann is married to Texas royalty Tobin Armstrong, and the couple were "Pioneers" for Bush, meaning that they donated at least $100,000 to the 2000 Bush campaign. It is through this marriage to Tobin that Anne is part owner of the gigantic Armstrong Ranch where the shooting incident occurred. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers//pioneers_view.jsp?id=...">www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers...jsp?id=...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>An earlier marriage in the 1940s, between an elder brother of Tobin and the Tex-Mex Fausto Yturria clan, brought together the Armstrong Ranch owners and the family of owners of the super-gigantic King Ranch. The Yturria family's various real estate holdings, including the 150,000 acre King ranch make them the 58th largest landowners in the United States -- and this does not include their connection to the 50,000 acre Armstrong Ranch.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers//pioneers_view.jsp?id=...">www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers...jsp?id=...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Katharine, the distraught hostess, is a former investment banker turned lobbyist. She is also the heir apparent of both the Armstrong and King ranches, making her potentially one of the biggest landowners in the country when Mom, Dad and uncle Fausto finally kick the bucket. <br><br>Katharine is co-listed with her parents as Pioneers, and this was just around the time that she had been appointed to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission by Gov. George W. Bush in 1999. She turned lobbyist in 2004 claiming a need to make a living to support her children after a divorce. Among Katharine Armstrong' clients are Parson, an engineering company with contracts in Iraq. She also represents Lockheed Martin the military aircraft behemoth, and Baker Botts, the law firm of super lawyer and Bush family consigliere James Baker, who oversaw the Bush family 2000 Florida election "strategy."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers/pioneers_view.jsp?id=6...">www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers...sp?id=6...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Now here's the big question. Just what do you think that Katharine Armstrong, representing both aircraft military contractors and Iraq engineering contractors, might have been discussing with Dick Cheney -- despite her claims that she had never formally lobbied Cheney. <br><br>Perhaps this is just the way business is done in Texas. After all, long before the shooting, in 2000, father Tobin had acknowledged of his hunting trips with Cheney, “We go out when the dew is still on the grass, and then hunt until we shoot our limit,” ... “Then we pick a fine spot and have a wild game picnic lunch.” If you represent James Baker as a lobbyist, do you really need to "lobby" George W. Bush or Dick Cheney? <br><br>Do you really need to "lobby" Dick Cheney when your mother hired him as CEO of Halliburton, which made him a multimilionare? I'm sure that his gratitude is worth millions. It's not lobbying -- just pleasant conversation among long time family friends about current events, developments and opportunities while shooting quail.<br><br>Could the cover-up of the shooting have as much to do with the embarrassment of poor marksmanship as the embarrassment of disclosure of how business is done among the Bushes, Cheneys, Armstrongs and other well-connected western royalty?<br>*<br>Maybe there is a simple answer to this, but if so, it escapes me. Why does Kenedy County have a Sheriff and why is it a county?<br><br>More than 22 million people live in Texas. According to the Census Bureau, the population of Kenedy County is 407 persons. There are approximately 138 households. There are 4 non-farm privately owned businesses with employees.<br><br>But it has received 1,441 federal grants. Here are more statistics.<br><br>Did the ranchers buy themselves a county government? It sure looks like it. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014023.html">talkleft.com/new_archives/014023.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>--unquote--<br><br>More <eck!> wierdness than you can shake a stick at.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stand Down -- Operation Successfully Concluded

Postby OptimisticAlgorithm » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:39 pm

Chiggerbit & Nomo,<br><br>I guess I agree with both of you somewhat. I had hopes that either real, constitution preserving conservatives, or the Dems would dig in and fight the wholesale attack on privacy and the Bill of Rights. But it does now look like this incident has just served to give cover.<br><br>In a normal news week it would have been much easier to mobilize and put pressure on our reps to not give in. Scheduling secret breifings, meetings, and votes for the last few days to get this stuff done sure smacks of fore-knowledge that some type of diversion would be staged. You can't tell me that the WH is this well organized, but can't respond to a weather emergency.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Oy fucking vey

Postby Avalon » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:14 pm

The Parsons Engineering that Katharine lobbies for is (wouldn't ya know) the company of THAT Parsons who comes up in conversations here occasionally. Jack, L. Ron, Babalon, Uncle Al, etc. <br><br>Small world, ain't it?<br><br>Here's a reminiscence about life with Jack I hadn't run across before:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/himmel.htm">www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Libra...himmel.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I need to go lie down, I'm having Evil Empire fatigue. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oy fucking vey

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:34 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In a normal news week it would have been much easier to mobilize and put pressure on our reps to not give in</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>Why should we have to keep whipping our legislators to do the right thing? I've pretty much made up my mind to go third party this time. The Dems are just too disgusting to tolerate anymore. I had hopes that Dean could change things, but he's an outsider and will never be allowed to manhandle the machine. The Paul Hackett manipulations were the last straw for me. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 2/17/06 7:47 pm<br></i>
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first thoughts

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Ouch, Lady!!!!!!!!

Postby Floyd Smoots » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:39 pm

sw, That's a Very Nasty mental picture, but, alas, I can't even begin to try to dispute your thinking. Do you think the lady in question somehow managed to get her finger on the trigger? I had written the whole mess off as: "Dickie-boy was drunk, dropped his shotgun, due to drunkeness, and accidently shotgunned his hunting/drinking buddy." That is probably being far too kind to D-head, the vice-rez, but it was all I had to go on 'til now.<br><br>I remember an old joke, when I was a teen-ager that went: A Vice President is the President in Charge of Vice. Somehow, these days, it's just not very funny anymore.<br><br>Old Floyd<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oy fuking vey

Postby OptimisticAlgorithm » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:31 am

Chiggerbit said:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Why should we have to keep whipping our legislators to do the right thing?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>A very strong case is/was being made that aggressive domestic spying <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>is</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the right thing. Now you or I or Thomas Jefferson might not think so, but if it's what people want, the reps have to respond. If we don't pressure them how will they know what we want?<br><br>What gets me here, and maybe this is what you mean, it looks like about 51 - 52% of the current polls were running against use of domestic spying. So in this case public opinion obviously was not enough. I had the impression that the reps were wavering, but the Cheney thing gave them cover to sell us out.<br><br>Remember, governments often see the citizens as their biggest problem. It's why Jefferson advised us to toss the whole thing every 20 or 30 years. <p></p><i></i>
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no one else...

Postby sw » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:42 am

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A Likely Story....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:48 am

....O.A., the only thing "I'M" likely to toss these days is "my cookies" as I follow the whole MESS!!! As I posted just a day or two ago on another thread, the "honest" people just don't last long on the Capitol Pill. They are either compromised for being "merely human", or they just say, "Forget This Madness", and go home quietly. WE, THE PEOPLE no longer have any representation in the House or Senate. It's a hard pill to swallow, but it is the true pill. I forget whether it's the "red one" or the "blue one", as it's been a while since I last viewed "The Matrix".<br><br>Sorry, fellow-freedom-lover, but that's pretty much the God-Forsaken TRUTH!!!<br> <p></p><i></i>
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There

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