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conjecture on Mark Felt

Postby dqueue » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:24 am

Quebec's Center for Alternative Media has an interesting <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=21337">piece by Thien Vehl</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> that ran Thursday. It discusses the bigger cover-up alluded to around Watergate.<br><br>Good stuff. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conjecture on Mark Felt

Postby marykmusic » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:13 am

Great stuff!<br><br>From drug-running to scavenged alien technology, this is a fascinating read, and supportive of all kinds of conspiracy that has a common thread.. the US Gubmint. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Mark Felt

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:41 am

Conspiracies within conspiracies, within conspiracies. Do you ever wonder if Nixon ever really figured out ALL of what was really going on? <br><br>Something about Felt's revelation still feels funny, not sure what, but feels funny. <p></p><i></i>
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Felt and Antigravity?

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:50 pm

Submitted for debugging:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=21337">www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=21337</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>For decades, FBI men like Mark Felt were pushed aside and told to shut up so that “intelligence”-related narcotics shipments could proceed into the United States unhampered, for national security reasons. But which “incredible” and “fantastic” covert project did such narcotics trafficking point to? <br><br>The obvious answer, the only massive project that eclipsed Watergate on a major scale, is narcotics trafficking that secretly funds “reverse-engineered” black budget technologies, some of which are truly bizarre. Which covert project back in 1971-2 was more important than Watergate? Government whistle-blower and former head of Air Force Project Pounce, Col. Steve Wilson, told researcher Richard Boylan that "the first successful U.S. antigravity flight took place July 18, 1971 at S-4 (on Nellis Air Force base in Nevada), wherein light bending capabilities were also demonstrated to obtain total invisibilities. Present at this flight were notables such as Admiral (Bobbie Ray) Inman (former National Security Agency director), who is now head of SAIC (Science Applications International, Incorporated) in San Diego, CA, which makes the antigravity drives."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>WTF? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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The plane crash, the blackmailing, the embezzlement

Postby marykmusic » Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:15 pm

Yet more of this conspiracy story here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=72526">www.rumormillnews.com/cgi...read=72526</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"All conspiracy, no theory." --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Debugging...

Postby robertdreed » Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:41 am

First, let's get this out of the way: the FBI was compartmentalized out of drug enforcement at the behest of J. Edgar Hoover from the outset, and it wasn't until the early 1980s that Federal law enforcement was reorganized during the Reagan administration to bring the FBI into drug trafficking investigations. <br><br>The compartmentalization during Hoover's reign, from the 1930s to 1973, served several wider aims. Mostly, it kept the FBI away from investigating Organized Crime, particularly the Syndicate that built Vegas: Lansky-Luciano-Costello-Giancana-Dalitz-Humphreys et alia...that crowd. Hoover was a principal denier that an organized crime syndicate of that wealth and power ever existed, even while the entire city of Las Vegas was being constructed by drug and gambling profits during his watch. <br><br>It also kept FBI agents away from the lure of drug money corruption- not to mention making the acquaintance of unsavory characters like the FBN-CIA/TSD's George Hunter White. I've known a few FBI agents in my time, they were all straight arrows without much guile. (Tended to be hard drinkers, though.) Narcotics would have been too dirty a business for them to hack. Just the political impunity part of it would have been too much for them...and if a typical rank and file FBI square had ever caught wind of what operatives like George Hunter White were doing with the sex and drug experiments of MK-ULTRA...fuggedaboudit. <br><br>Maybe that's why a couple of those FBI guys I've known drank so much, often alone, brooding (note: one of them has since gotten sober)- they suspected the wider game was fixed, but they couldn't figure out the particulars...actually finding out, from their vantage point, would either have required their own corruption or their resignation. The FBI agents I've known have had in common that peculiar sort of mental block associated with those who think that a sense of moral decency comparable to their own is a universal condition for any sworn agent of the US government. And that's just what Hoover wanted, for the rank and file agents of the Bureau...people who, for instance, would never suspect The Chief. Able, intelligent people, quite capable of pursuing investigations and making cases, within directed limits...and by all means, cloistered from the temptations of the Dope Trade. <br><br>FBI agents like Richard Cain were rare exceptions- sheep-dipped CIA, if not something even more sinister.<br><br>Then, in the late 1970s, after Hoover had passed on, parts of the DEA and the Centac program were beginning to get a little too good at cracking international drug trafficking organizations, and continual CIA stonewalling was looking too suspicious. So the ReaganBush response in the 1980s was to have a massive bureaucratic reorganization, and dismantle the Centacs, and bring the square johns of the FBI, who were totally out of their depth, into the mix. Probly a few sheep-dipped dirty CIA people in the FBI influx, too...<br><br>the result? Chaos...and that disruption of continuity really helped the large trafficking orgs and cartels of the early 1980s. All very plausibly deniable, a "policy failure, bureaucratic ineptness"...that George Bush. How "inept." And how he's paid for his failures... <br><br>But at the time Mark Felt was in de facto charge in the 1970s, the FBI didn't work drugs. <br><br>As for the "alien back-engineering" explanation for drug profiteering, guilty covert operatives can always be counted on trying to pull a UFO explanation- or just a plain "U" explanation- to save the day when their asses have been backed into a corner by the facts. <br><br>I'm not going to argue over the pros and cons of some vaporware sci-fi saga that someone has read on the Internet, or heard on Art Bell. <br><br>What I will say is that if there is such a program, it isn't funded by some hidden horde of drug profits. The CIA doesn't own drug plantations, or operate trafficking rings. They don't rake off tens of billions of dollars in profit and put it in one big secret black budget. That isn't the way the business works, there's no such central mechanism for consolidating all the drug profits in the world. <br><br>Sometimes drug profits have been known to fund covert operations, weapons purchases, paramilitary groups, etc. But I think the "black budget" angle throws people off about the actual situation. It's more the usual case that the payoffs in the illegal drug game more work like this: the CIA, etc. compartments involved with the drug trade grant impunity to ideological cronies and/or political allies of big-time players like the Bush Dynasty and Associates- political elites powerful enough to flim-flam their ambitions and mendacities as "foreign policy initiatives" pursued on behalf of The American People. Quid pro quo franchises, that's what protected drug operations work like. Boons, granted to henchmen. I'd bet that for every dollar in drug profits that went into Contra resupply, easily 20 dollars went into the pockets of the traffickers. Probably more. Ah yass, the lucrative rewards of being On The Team...<br><br>And the lifetime impunity of a Lansky, Gelli, or Berezovsky (Boris may yet be taken down, although I'd bet against it) is rare- more often, the immunity of traffickers from legal prosecution, extradition, or even assassination is "use-limited." It's contingent on the usefullness of the mobsters to the larger geopolitical-sociological-mass psychological goals of the people at the top, the ones whose values make the System what it is. <br><br>And I doubt those goals have anything to do with "alien tech"...their goals are much more along the traditional lines of empire building, taking over the globe and having it run in accordance with their "will to power" desire/vision/whim, etc. <br><br>Given that state of affairs, perhaps the most surefire way for a high-profile criminal middleman to guarantee their continued impunity is blackmail.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 6/11/05 1:40 pm<br></i>
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Re: Thanks, Robert

Postby Qutb » Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:08 am

for that enlightening post. I have to say, those stories of reverse engineered alien spacecraft are ridiculous, and it always strikes me as interesting how the people who espouse those theories don't 1) consider it the least bit strange that aliens seemingly repeatedly travel hundreds of lightyears only to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>crash</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> when they reach Earth, or 2) consider the possibility that the "disclosures" of high ranking military officers may be disinformation.<br><br>From your post it seems that you have a bit of insight into "how things work". What do you make of the Sibel Edmonds affair, if you know the details of that, and of 9/11 in general? From what she alleges, it appears that the Bureau has become thoroughly corrupted and infiltrated by god-knows-whom? Same with Indira Singh and the Ptech case. <p></p><i></i>
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On Reverse Engineering and Alien Hybrids...

Postby robertdreed » Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:09 am

show me the money. Or a nice, stable, verifiable sample of Element 115, in a quantity sufficient to be visible to the naked eye. <br><br>I read Philip Corso's The Day After Roswell...at one point, he speaks of finding the body of an alien in storage, some time in the 1950s, at Ft. Riley, Kansas. <br><br>Weird...that's approximately when and where I was born. <br><br>Even more curiously, Col. Corso's name was already familiar to me. A year or so prior to the publication of The Day After Roswell, I had been looking into the weird political connections of a group of which he was a member, known as the Shickshinny Knights of Malta, a noble society claiming an elite pedigree that I later found had been revealed as a forgery and a hoax. <br><br>What to make of that coincidence of data points? Not much, in the absence of other data. (Except for the whole forgery angle, that still seems to resonate.) I prefer a denser network before I attempt overlaying coherent structures on to it. <br><br>When it comes to considering the history of the Underground Empire Where Crime And Governments Embrace, given enough diligent research, a sufficiently dense factual network eventually gets supplied to outline many of the features of what remains hidden. <br><br>A stark contrast to the UFO game, in my experience. <br><br>I'd like to find out what Sibel Edmonds knows. I think I'll schedule a visit to one of my Congresspeople, and ask them to look into her case. Fortunately, I think there may be someone sympathetic on Barbara Boxer's staff...I believe she has a local outpost at the Federal Building, within walking distance from my residence. And hey, after 8 months, I just got a haircut, so I don't look so much like Ted Kaczynski any more...much as I'm loath to admit it, a neat and orderly appearance is sometimes important to being taken seriously by strangers.<br><br>What does Sibel Edmonds know? She knows several languages, including Azeri...maybe it has something to do with <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cilicia.com/Azeriterrorism.htm" target="top">www.cilicia.com/Azeriterrorism.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->...or <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://hotline.deadnetcentral.com/WebX?14@91.WHWDaXorqgr.67@.ee7684e/732" target="top">hotline.deadnetcentral.com/WebX?14@91.WHWDaXorqgr.67@.ee7684e/732</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->...along with perhaps <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/master8885/Forces/war2.html" target="top">www.geocities.com/master8885/Forces/war2.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://hotline.deadnetcentral.com/WebX?14@91.WHWDaXorqgr.73@.ee7684e/443" target="top">hotline.deadnetcentral.com/WebX?14@91.WHWDaXorqgr.73@.ee7684e/443</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, and<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://hotline.deadnetcentral.com/WebX?13@91.WHWDaXorqgr.71@.ee7684e/536" target="top">hotline.deadnetcentral.com/WebX?13@91.WHWDaXorqgr.71@.ee7684e/536</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->... <br><br>Hey, just hazarding a guess. It may be wildly off of the mark.<br><br>Apologies for any non-working links appearing in those messages. I assure you, I didn't do it. The WebX format used by the deadcentral.com site has a superb search function, incidentally. [plug] All of my posts can be accessed simply by typing in "HCu", my principal e-moniker over there, either site by site, or in aggregate. To those inclined to browse, along with the "Conspiracy Mongering" topic page, I've also posted heavily in the topic pages within the Political Discussions folder found on Discussion Page 21. <br><br>What's with ezboard? Why can't I embed a link, fcol?<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 6/11/05 10:28 am<br></i>
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Re: Debugging...

Postby wolf pauli » Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:26 am

Robert, excellent post, clarifies a lot of things for me. Thanks for that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Debugging...

Postby robertdreed » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:08 pm

I'm open to reverse engineering hypotheses, ETs, ITs, whatever. But the farther out the claim is, the more evidence I want. <br><br>What that means in the case of alleged "ET contact" is that a "close encounter of the 3rd kind" isn't going to be enough to convince me. Forgive my reticence, but I don't plan to be part of any welcoming committee. I want to see what happens to everybody else, first. If it's the real thing, I'm sure that there will be plenty of time to get acquainted. In the meantime, for the purposes of that discussion, I'm from Missouri, and my name is D. Thomas. <br><br>That being my stance, consider how much less evidentiary weight I grant to "ET evidence" consisting of mere videotape, photographs, hearsay anecdotes, or textual recollections from third person sources. <br><br>I have, myself, observed inexplicable "UFO-type" phenomena. Perhaps if it made itself available for thorough examination, it wouldn't be so darn inexplicable. As it is, I'm not even sure that it involved anything like a consciousness capable of communicating to me, or any other human...I'm not even sure that it's necessarily safe to be in its vicinity. <br><br>I recall the sad story of the Amazonian Indians who, having only recently become acquainted with the mysterious, fragrant liquid called "ethyl alcohol" and the intriguingly mind-altering effects of its ingestion, happened upon their first encounter with a can of petrol...<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 6/11/05 11:10 am<br></i>
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Re: Debugging...

Postby wolf pauli » Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:14 pm

Robert, just to be clear, I was complimenting you on your post about the FBI and CIA, not the one about reverse engineering and alien hybrids, which I found to be ill considered and shamefully irresponsible -- yukyuk, just kidding, I liked that one too, but since I'm already convinced that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the FBI/CIA post was more helpful to me. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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who knows...

Postby robertdreed » Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:53 pm

maybe I AM an alien hybrid, after all... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: who knows...

Postby Qutb » Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:39 pm

Thanks for the Azerbaijan links, Robert, it's definitely a country that deserves more attention than it receives. "Presidential candidate" Karl Schwarz claims Sibel Edmonds told him the "smoking gun" translations were in Azerbaijani and that it was connected to the US Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. The advisory council, board of directors etc of that organizations reads like a who's who of the Evil Empire: Cheney, Armitage, Kissinger, James Baker III and IV (is here a V yet? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> friggin royalty), Brzezinski, Perle... <br><br>Sure there's the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, but its importance has been exaggerated. Might there be other commodities that attract the attention of these distinguished gentlemen as well? And perhaps other types of "assets", like Bin Laden's network which has come in handy in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Libya (hired by the MI6 to assassinate Gaddafi in 1995), the US (?) and God knows where else. They seem to have found a safe haven in Azerbaijan with little pressure exerted by the US to do anything about it. What happened to "countries that harbour terrorists".<br><br>Webster Tarpley's take on al-Qaida is that it's more or less a CIA/MI6 operational unit in the Muslim world, even though the rank and file jihadist might not be aware of that. I don't know about that really (though it's interesting that the HQs of more or less every jihadist movement in the world are located in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>London</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, and that British police and politicians, despite all their talk about the imminent danger of a terrorist attack on London, seem to for the most part let them carry on with whatever they do), but there does seem to be a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>mercenary</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> aspect to this al-Qaida business. They were apparently ready to whack Gaddafi for £100,000 on behalf of the MI6. Bin Laden fought the Armenians in exchange for logistical support and a safe haven in Azerbaijan. A Dutch parliamentary investigation found that US military intel "helped" "mujahedin" into Bosnia during the war there, in collusion with Iran (!) Their involvement in Kosovo and Chechnya may be related to the drug trade more than anything, but it's interesting that al-Qaida started training and joining the KLA in Kosovo around the same time the British SAS started doing the same thing.<br><br>Drugs was clearly an aspect of what they were doing in the US as well, and what I gather from Sibel's increasingly telling hints is that the proceeds of this trade somehow found their way into the pockets, or at least campaign war chests, of well-known American politicians. And that this activity was "ignored" by the FBI. <p></p><i></i>
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who knows...

Postby robertdreed » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:52 pm

I wonder what Sibel Edmonds says about Karl Schwartz.<br><br>I'm not sure about this phenomenon of "second-hand leaking." It smacks of a send-up. I want specifics, not hints. <br><br>And I think that the primary appeal of Karl Schwartz is that he expresses all the correct sentiments representative of a morally outraged conservative Christian Republican against Bush...I don't buy it. <br><br>( Karl, it was that "hologram of the Boeing" thing...by the way, do you and the boys think taking acid makes people stupid? Or is it more about a gullibility test for the post-modern "visual image" crowd, that huge demographic that gets assured of reality by looking at pictures, even to the point of squinting at phantoms and imagining they're getting a revelation? And in the age of Photoshop, at that...anyway, don't mind me, I know, it's numbers you're after...)<br><br>Karl Schwartz is the Middle American cracker-barrel version of David Icke.<br><br>And the Great Boeing Hologram hoax is the sort of Social Psych experiment that some people are bound to pull, whether the Official Version of 9-11 is substantially true or not...hey, the overhead is low, as hoaxes go. <br><br>And the payoff is great...it all becomes worth it when you get the cobras swaying harmlessly back and forth.<br><br>Who would have thought Rhetoric could be so much fun? <br><br>(Give my regards to Bob Dole, Karl...)<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 6/11/05 8:03 pm<br></i>
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I share your suspicion of Schwarz

Postby Qutb » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:30 am

But to be fair, he doesn't espouse the hologram theory (maybe he did at an earlier stage, I don't know). He believes planes were switched and the planes that hit the WTC were acually remote controlled 737s. He claims to know that the Pentagon was hit by a remote controlled A-3 Sky Warrior (he even claims to have spoken with some of the people who prepared the plane...). All very far out. <p></p><i></i>
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