A Big Picture meme I'd like to spread

by **glooperoo** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:22 am

I have a meme that I'd like to see spread. Actually, its a couple of related memes with different target audiences; one for insiders (insiders in whatever institutions or high-level networks of power that exist in our world), and one for the rest of us. Here's the meme I'd like to see spread around enough to the point where maybe even some insiders start hearing it and (hopefully) start mulling it over: "Insiders that want to help save our world and shine a light on all the insanity at the top should know that they have a whole lot of help sitting on the sidelines, ready to go. All you have to do to end the madness is draw as much attention as possible to the 9/11 Truth movement, because that story is ready to blow. It just needs to hit that breaking point. That is how unprecedented and unique and potentially positive the situation is right now. However impossible the possibility of a great-awakening seemed in the past, it's different now. Enough people are awake and ready to work with whomever steps forward, sticks their neck out, and does the right thing. Remember, no matter how much wealth and power and influence you may have now, that power is dwarfed by the power to do good on an historic scale. You cannot forget that. Anyone with enough clout and cleverness to create sustained media attention on the growing 9/11 Truth Movement is amongst the most powerful individuals in the world. So think about it, and then take action and help save our world." So yeah, that's the insiders-meme I'd like to see floating around. It's pretty simple and intuitive, but sometimes, in a world like ours, the simple and intuitive isn't obvious. This next for-the-rest-of-us meme isn't so intuitive, but still potentially important, IMHO. So here goes: "If we want to avoid more synthetic terror, more 9/11s or London Bombings, where innocents die and our trusted institutions (the government, media, etc) fall into place, support the official lies, and push for a more wars and more state powers designed to to control our lives; if we want to avoid this we're all going to have to work together. All of us, inside and out, insiders and outsiders alike. Yes, we might be able to end the madness primarily through the grass-roots efforts we see today. The 9/11 Truth Movement is continuing to grow at an astounding speed, even more astounding given the blatant transparency of the London Bombings coverup. But the grassroots efforts might not be enough, soon enough, to avoid another major attack. We need help. We need help and therefore we cannot give up hope that some of the insiders, the people who have a sense (or know firsthand) of just how deeply corrupt and rotten our system has become, will step forward and give us that hope. We cannot exclusively rely on hope that some insider help us, but it's a big world, with a big ruling class, and there is no reason to think that any and all concern for our fellow man has been completely purged from those on the inside, even those insiders with a dark history of their own. Who knows how likely it is that someone with the high-level knowledge and power to help effectively expose the dark truths of our modern times, given the stakes at hand? It sure seems like a tall order. But insiders have come forward plenty of times before and it could happen again. And so, given the dire nature of our situation, with thousands or millions of lives at risk of another 9/11, and, conversely, given the thousands and thousand of insiders that, themselves, would be put at enormous risk if even a single insider manages to burst the reality-bubble and expose the Big Lies, perhaps we should make some sort of collective compromise to help sweeten the deal for any top-level Whistle Blowers. Here's an example of the kind of idea we might want to see discussed and openly embrace at the grassroots level: 'If even one top-level insider helps take down the fascist regime running the show, all insiders will be treated humanely, and even offered a chance for historical redemption (assuming that's even possible for the individual, which all depends on what exactly they've taken part in I suppose and how much good they're capable of doing while we rebuild). So if you're an insider, and you shudder in horror at the way things are heading, keep in mind that if you take the plunge and attempt to expose the madness of our world the people, your friend and colleague at the top will get a chance for redemption.' Obviously, that's not exactly a proposition the direct victims of 9/11 or any of our other dark events will want to embrace. And I have no idea how the rest of us will feel about such a notion. But we have to remember just what a novel opportunity, historically and symbolically, we will have when the reality-bubble bursts, and I cannot think of a better way to hail the end of this insanity and usher in a New Era of Hope than by the People treating their former rulers in the kind of civilized, empathized, and forgiving manner that we never received ourselves. And so is it time to start flexing our forgiveness muscles? How about our "attempting to understand and empathize with our perceived abusers" muscles? Yeah, that's an unusual proposition, given our historically unusual situation, we have to consider historically unusual solutions." So yeah, that's my for-the-rest-of-us meme, which turned into more a rant than a meme, but you get the idea. Does anyone have other Big Picture memes?

by **robertdreed** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:18 am

Never cared for "meme theory"...old-fashioned content analysis is more where I'm at. Most of what I've encountered in terms of applied meme principles seems to me to be about PR, advertising, and packaging- i.e., maximizing the attractiveness of one's position, or at least minimizing the sort of gaffes that turn people off. How to be catchy, etc. You probably won't get very far with your message it it's wrapped in an organization acronym like S.H.I.T., for instance. (Although the anarchist-punk scene appears to believe otherwise...) So it's important to know some "meming" principles, for best results. But memes shouldn't be confused with the nut of communication, which is intended content. I like your intended content just fine, incidentally, glooperoo.

by **FourthBase** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You probably won't get very far with your message it it's wrapped in an organization acronym like S.H.I.T., for instance.<hr></blockquote> Depends on what your message is.

by **glooperoo** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:17 pm

Ooo...here's simple, intuitive little meme I just thought of, althouhg I probably heard it somewhere because it has a ring of familiarity to it: "Big Lies run deep" I suspect there's a lot of truth to that, at least in a social system like ours that depends on a facade of "reality-based" truth and honesty. The bigger the lie, the more even the "in the know" people have to believe it, especially amongst the "chattering classes" of our modern day Orwellian state, where group psychology and intellectual herding are such hugely important tools of control.

by **proldic** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:13 pm

Right now, many of the worst deep-cover memes are coming from supposed "insiders" who are actually part of an enormous modern Cointelpro program aimed largely at the modern (north american) leftist movement. I would accuse Ramsey Clark, Colin Campbell, and John Perkins of being examples of such people, to varying degrees. As a prime example, Sybil Edmunds' national security whistleblowers group is a front. The case of Daniel Ellsberg is also a classic in this light. So I'd be very careful about seeking "white nights" from higher levels of government at this time. 1. The psychology of many of these whistleblowers is very conflicted. Something akin to a "battered spouse syndrome" is at play. Its very rare for someone to rise to higher positions in the ranks of the elites without being deeply changed in some very hard-wired ways. Although everyone gets all fired-up at the prospect of another Ruppert, Scott Ritter, or Richard Clark, they often end up making questionable political allies over the long term. 2. Most importantly, the elites from way back have understood this angle (a natural desire on the part of the oppressed masses to seek insiders, whistleblowers, "people of conscience") and they have placed people, sometimes in unbelievably prescient, long-term ways, in "sleeper" postions to become fake whistleblowers at the appropriate time. In fact, one of the deepest suppressed truths is that practically the whole of our modern political history has been marked with examples of that happening. As far as the 9/11 truth movement, after really believing in it's potential for mass political appeal leading to positive change, I now believe it was crafted by the very criminals that pulled off 9/11. It's largely under the sway of a group of incredibly wealthy crypto-new age globalist foundations who are intent on marginalizing it. These include such highly questionable people such as John Leonard, Jimmy Walters, Brian Belitsos, Richard Falk - not to mention the millionaires like Schwarz or the holocaust revisionists at AFP/Spotlight. Basically the entire initial --revolutionary-- energy of the 9/11 truth effort has ground to a halt. Due - not only to the active machinations of "infiltrators" - but also to the political infantilism of the organizers. I watched from the inside as the movement degenerated from a potent vehicle for mass-political change into another conspiracy sideshow. It really hit me way back with the Democracy Now Berlet-Griffin set-up - where Griffin allowed Berlet to demolish him to discredit the movement to the DN listeners (that was the problem with appointing a globalising new age theologian as representative of a criminal case.) At the root was a failure to realize how to craft a message that would have a significant impact on the US public. Instead of focusing on the wealth of evidence available at hand - in the public record, first-hand accounts, historical precedent (foreknowledge, warnings, blocking, consciousness-of-guilt statements, false-flag history, stand-down/fighter response, insider trading>offshore banking regs>republican operatives, etc.), and then moving it forward to the public arena with a credible mass-PR effort, the (sectarian) 9/11 movement decided to overeach beyond the "carrying capacity" of that meme, focusing on what seemed to be the most esoteric, technical, hard-to-prove, and harder-to-believe evidence - such as "no plane hit the pentagon" or the "fate of Flight 93". But if they had studied the aftermath of the JFK assasination and the growth of the assassination research community they would have been alert to that waste of time/diversionary avenue ahead of time.

by **glooperoo** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:21 pm

Those are excellent reminders and I agree that we're seeing the 9/11 Truth Movement getting meddled with and mislead left and right. I guess my inner-optimist still believes it's possible that someone (someone that maybe doesn't want to go down as one of history's monsters, which is a label a lot of insiders are certainly flirting with these days) will maybe have an epiphany or something and actually help save their fellow men and women. Wow, it saddens me that such an idea seems naive even to me (and I have a capacity for hyper-optimist when it comes to this stuff), but you're right that our desire to see an white knight insider is most likely being toyed with and will continue to be manipulated. But I do think we have to keep searching for ways to end all this and expose these psychos without more massive bloodshed, as daunting as it seems. I mean, I want to get to the cold, harsh truth as best I can no matter where it leads me and no matter how dismal it may seem, but crazy shit, even crazy positive can happen <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> , which is something I have to remind myself of often these days. So here are a couple more memes that might be useful: "Hope and healthy skepticism go hand in hand. Both are essential these days." "History doesn't have to repeat itself (there is hope), but if it does, let's break the cycle this time and make sure it's the good stuff." <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b">

by **robertdreed** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:22 pm

Looking for a compact, practical definition of the word "meme", please, in order to allay my suspicions that it's an overrated fad concept with a plastic (and therefore mostly valueless) set of meanings. How, for instance, does a "meme" differ from an "idea"? Seriously, they aren't teaching this shit in the high schools, are they? From above: Depends on what your message is. From what I've seen of "applied meme theory", it's more dependent on who the target audience is. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/22/05 5:12 pm

by **glooperoo** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:04 pm

I think I hear what you're saying in your criticism of the focus on "memes" because, yeah, what I'd really like to see is just more ideas in general flowing around and not just more memetic ideas (whatever <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme">memetic ideas may be</a>). I guess if there's a single "viral" idea that I'd like to see spread the most, it's that we need more ideas, <a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/07/consolation-of-conspiracy.html">as painful and scary as it may be</a>. We desparately need to end the institutionalized reality-oligopoly, accept that we've been lied to for a long long time about who knows what at this point, and free ourselves from the shared mental prisons we've been building for ourselves who knows how long now. That's why I see these little memes (or ideas or whatever they should be called) in this thread as potential baby-step ideas that might be useful in getting our society to the point where it's capable of engaging in a truly robust kind of exploration of our world and the human experience. It's really pretty amazing how the study of our Big Picture situation (which focuses so much on the behind-the-scenes machinations of then most powerful groups of people in the world acting in areas of society that most of us will never see or even be aware exists), inevitably comes back around to that part of the human experience that everyone can relate to: the everyday inner process/struggle of individuals to understand and exist in this larger world we find ourselves born into. So much of what we discuss here seems to involve examples of the "truth" (or whatever it is) that the most powerful tool in a controller's toolbox is the victim's own mind. That's a "truth" or meme or idea of whatever that we need to see popularized because it's something our reality-rulers have apparently known for a long time.

by **glooperoo** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:02 am

There was <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/politics/24troops.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1122344056-qUdyWeZdkrdaFinjTt9OcA">an article</a> in yesterday's NY Times on the frustration of those serving in the military at the lack of any collective sacrifice on the part of the rest of the public towards our efforts in winning the War on Terror: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> July 24, 2005 All Quiet on the Home Front, and Some Soldiers Are Asking Why By THOM SHANKER WASHINGTON, July 23 - The Bush administration's rallying call that America is a nation at war is increasingly ringing hollow to men and women in uniform, who argue in frustration that America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war. From bases in Iraq and across the United States to the Pentagon and the military's war colleges, officers and enlisted personnel quietly raise a question for political leaders: if America is truly on a war footing, why is so little sacrifice asked of the nation at large? There is no serious talk of a draft to share the burden of fighting across the broad citizenry, and neither Republicans nor Democrats are pressing for a tax increase to force Americans to cover the $5 billion a month in costs from Iraq, Afghanistan and new counterterrorism missions. There are not even concerted efforts like the savings-bond drives or gasoline rationing that helped to unite the country behind its fighting forces in wars past. "Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq, voicing a frustration now drawing the attention of academic specialists in military sociology. Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States. ... Private organizations like the Navy League of the United States that support the individual armed services have identified the tension and are using this theme to urge greater contributions from members now in the civilian world. "We have recognized that and we have tried to sound the alarm," said Rear Adm. Stephen R. Pietropaoli, retired, the executive director of the Navy League. "As an organization that is committed to supporting them by ensuring they have the weapons and tools and systems to fight and win, and also at the grass-roots level by providing assistance to families," Admiral Pietropaoli said, "we are aware that the burden has fallen almost solely on the shoulders of the uniformed military and security services and their families. We have used that in our calls to action by our members. We have said: 'We are at war. What have you done lately?' " <hr></blockquote> Ok, wow, so given ALL of the madness that our soldiers have been put through (the lies of leadership, the lack of equipment, the ludicrous gamble on a "shock and awe" easy victory with no backup plan, etc), if an officer publicly voices their opinion after that their careers will be at risk?! That is what I call a National Security Threat. This is really symptomatic of a much larger challenge we face because any society that can't even talk about the emergencies taking place within and around it (because of taboo or censorship or whatever) is probably a National Security Threat to itself just in general. And one of the best things citizens can do when they find their society facing that very serious threat is to first sound the alarm, then learn about where their society is and how it got their, and how it became subject to such a dangerous kind of Reality Regime, and finally start the struggle to create a society where those Barriers to Truth don't exist. We can help the troops, and everyone else, by working towards that kind of Truly Free Society. There are many other ways to help the troops (like providing them with the <a href="http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm?actionId=blogShowExcerpts&blogId=14&entryID=238">equiptment they need!</a> <a href="http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_12_05_atrios_archive.html#110261885059237576">I mean</a> <a href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595111055,00.html">who's running this thing</a>!?), but working to create a Truly Free Society is a really really Big One. I guess that's too long to be a meme, but the general "searching for the truth is patriotic" meme I think has potential. At least it probably can't hurt <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **robertdreed** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:11 am

The first thing that hit me when I heard that Bush was using our military to invade Iraq: America needed something like a bottled water drive. The shelves should have been swept clean, in order to provide it to the troops, and to the beleaguered people of Iraq. That went along with my "hippie-dippie" idea that if the invasion HAD to be done, it should have had the overtones of a relief mission-celebration for the people of Iraq. The cornucopia of American wealth should have opened up for those people, who had suffered so long under sanctions. But among other things, this would have necessitated going in AFTER the hot season, rather than in the Iraq spring- which is sandstorm weather, leading into sunstroke weather. How many coalition troops died or were permanently brain-damaged by sunstroke and heatstroke, due to the Bush-Rumsfeld insistence that the urgency to invade was so great that it HAD TO BE DONE at the most miserable, uncomfortable time of the year- seasons that virtually guaranteed that no work could possible be done on infrastructure? So much for "Iraqi Liberation"...

A Big Picture meme I'd like to spread

A Big Picture meme I'd like to spread

Memes

Re: Memes

Re: Memes

Beware of sexy whistleblowers and supposed insiders

Re: Beware of sexy whistleblowers and supposed insiders

...

idea memes

collective sacrifice

Bottled water

Who is online