Russian Ukraine Israeli Mafia?

by **seemslikeadream** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:52 pm

I'm looking for information Thanks

by **starroute** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:36 am

I keep thinking about posting them, but it's a kind of overwhelming task. I'll try to get something organized tonight or tomorrow and get it up.

by **starroute** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:02 am

The subject gets on the murky side out around the edges, but the central situation is fairly straightforward. In the years just before its collapse, the Soviet Union became willing to allow its Jewish citizens to migrate freely to the United States and Israel. Many of these immigrants were only nominally Jewish and some may not have been Jewish at all -- there are rumors that the USSR took advantage of the situation to get rid of some of its more hardened criminals. In any event, many of the migrants soon took to a life of crime in their adopted countries. (First generation immigrants tend to do this anyway, because they don't have the social skills or the professional certification to live at their accustomed level.) Over the last couple of decades, they have become active in various standard forms of petty crime, such as drug smuggling (they dominate the Ecstasy trade), gambling, and crooked moving van companies. They also seem to be trying to take control of the diamond trade -- traditionally run by Orthodox Jews -- either for its own sake or for purposes of money laundering. Having Israeli or joint US-Israeli citizenship is a special advantage to them, because memories of the Holocaust mean that Israel is extremely protective of its citizens. It is extreme difficult to extradite anyone from Israel (which is why Jack Abramoff's bail was set so high), and there are strong privacy regulations on bank accounts which facilitate money laundering. They also often continue have connections back in Eastern Europe. And they are known for being extremely violent and ruthless. Beyond that, things get fuzzy. It is not clear to what extent the rampant corruption in the Likud Party (for which Ariel Sharon's son was just indicted) is linked to them. It is not clear to what extent the mysterious young Israelis who flock to the US after completing their military service and often engage in dubious activities are Mafiya, to what extent they are Mossad, or to what extent they are both. And it is not clear to what degree they may be part of a larger international underworld or linked to other national mafias.

by **starroute** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:27 am

There was a highly sensationalistic book called "Red Mafiya" by Robert Friedman, which came out a number of years ago and treated the US/Brighton Beach branch of the Mafiya largely as a latter-day equivalent of Cosa Nostra. It isn't necessarily the most reliable source of information on the subject, but it's one of the most often cited, so it's good to know about. Here are some links: Brief review of the book: <a href="http://www.americanmafia.com/Allan_May_8-14-00.html">www.americanmafia.com/All...14-00.html</a> Another review: <a href="http://www.exile.ru/books/review98.html">www.exile.ru/books/review98.html</a> Another review: <a href="http://sptimes.com/News/071600/Perspective/Russia_takes_underwor.shtml">sptimes.com/News/071600/P...rwor.shtml</a> Long article on the author: <a href="http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=750">www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=750</a> Somewhat sensationalistic article by Friedman: <a href="http://www.ukar.org/friedm01.html">www.ukar.org/friedm01.html</a> ---------------------------- Here's a far more sober account, a heavy sociological study from the New Jersey state website: <a href="http://www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/russian.pdf">www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/russian.pdf</a> Here's an article from an Israeli paper on police breaking up a drug ring in LA: <a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=478544">www.haaretzdaily.com/hase...mNo=478544</a> Here's an article on an Ecstasy bust in New York: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/19/national/main302356.shtml">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...2356.shtml</a> And this one's about the Israeli Mafiya moving in on Las Vegas: <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/commentary/2004/apr/30/516782598.html">www.lasvegassun.com/sunbi...82598.html</a>

by **robertdreed** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:42 am

I thought Robert I. Friedman's book was quite good. Jeffrey Robinson's The Merger" is another good source of info on Russian organized crime. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/31/05 12:00 pm

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:48 am

? I value the differences in opinion here, at the least for the irony. Personally, I thought Friedman's book was a total piece of crap. "Sensationalistic" is a vast understatement.

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:08 am

the recent suffusion of Russian "bad guys" in TV cop show scripts?

by **seemslikeadream** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:24 pm

Thanks so much starroute, you always have such great info. I got interested in this because someone at DU mentioned that Abramoff might be connected with RUIM and with the Able Danger story. I believe Weldon had no idea what was in that Pandora's Box! MadcowNews probably isn't on his reading list. Thanks to you also robertdreed, I appreciate the comment

by **hanshan** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:40 pm

It's next to impssible to understand modern Realpolitik w/out a grasp of how organized crime, NSS security agencies ( NSA, CIA, Mossad, FSB, etc.), are not separate & distinct operations. They are all bundled together; sometimes w/ unified goals, at other times wrestling for the prize; which can be information, drugs, weapons, cash, currenicies, gold, precious metals, atomic devices, enriched uranium, plutonium; i.e., any convertible commodity. These relationships & interrelationships transcend national boundaries, idealogies, religious afiliations, & are wholly outside the law as that concept is commonly understood & applied. It could be understood that they (the criminal orgs.) are the real power behind the throne; not the elites, State Banks, National Governments. While the subject is huge there remains little written. Not too difficult to understand given that they are extremely dangerous & don't cotton to having their operations exposed. Starroute renders an excellent overview. The deeper one digs the more incredible & outrageous the data becomes. Herewith a taste: ZGram: Where Truth is Destiny June 14, 2000 Good Morning from the Zundelsite: A cyber activist sent me the following which, I believe, will be of interest to you. It eloquently speaks for itself. I would highly recommend that you read the book described and reviewed below and verify the facts. I would love to get your opinion. On June 9, 2000, the popular Vancouver radio program CKNW in Canada had a one-hour interview with author Robert I. Friedman. He was promoting his new book, "Red Mafiya: How The Russian Mob Has Invaded America." He described how the Jewish Mafia ballooned in Brighton Beach, New York during the 1970s and 1980s when leaders such as Andropov were emptying the prisons in USSR of Russian Jewish criminals who then emigrated to Brighton Beach in America. Later, the extortion rackets expanded into multi-billion dollar operations into other cities such as Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Canadian cities such as Toronto and Vancouver, when they teamed up with the Russian Mafia. Friedman gave examples of the Mob's ties to sports (10 players in the NHL including Pavel Bure, Fetisov, etc.; Joe Namath and his New York restaurant which was frequented by the Mafia) and politicians including Robert Kaplan, Canada's former cabinet minister responsible for CSIS and the RCMP, Paul Martin, Canada's cabinet finance minister, etc. Money laundering examples included TSE,s YBM Magnex and Bank of New York. And there was the "Money Plane" operation, with regular almost daily flights leaving New York for Moscow with sometimes $1 billion payloads in new $100 Federal Reserve notes arranged by the Republic National Bank. In Moscow, the billions are deposited in the Russian Central Bank for further distribution to the Russian Mafia -controlled banks. Friedman agrees that the money benefits the Russian Mafia and not the general population. He also named Mafia names, familiar ones being Mogilevich, Ivankov, Sliva, Elson, Sigalov, etc. and described how the Russian Mafia placed a hit contract on his life. Friedman is one brave and excellent investigative journalist. Below is an excerpt from his Red Mafiya book (available at amazon.com and chapters.com) dealing with the Russian Mafia in Israel. Friedman's article "The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World" is available at: <a href="http://ukar.org/friedm01.shtml">ukar.org/friedm01.shtml</a> Here, for your convenience, is the article itself: Red Mafiya: How The Russian Mob Has Invaded America By Robert I. Friedman Of all the nations where the Russian mob has established a presence, none has been more deeply compromised than the State of Israel, America's staunchest ally in the volatile Middle East. More than 800,000 Russian Jews have made aliyah or settled in Israel since the first massive wave of immigration in the 1970s. The Russians took advantage of Israel's most sacred law--the Right of Return, which guarantees Jews the right to return to their ancestral home land, where they would receive citizenship and live as free men and women outside the odious yoke of anti-Semitism. "The Russians are a blessing," said Israel's top political columnist Nachum Barnea, who stands in public awe of their brilliant intellectual gifts in a variety of fields. But just as in Brighton Beach, Russian immigration to Israel has brought a more unwelcome element--the vor v zakonye and their criminal minions. Ten percent of Israel's five million Jews are now Russian, and 10 percent of the Russian population "is criminal," according to NYPD notes of a briefing in Manhattan by Israeli police intelligence official Brigadier General Dan Ohad. "There is not a major Russian organized crime figure who we are tracking who does not also carry an Israeli passport," says senior State Department official Jonathan Winer. He put the number at seventy-five, among whom are Mogilevich, Loutchansky, Rabinovich, and Kobzon.  <a href="http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg2000/zg0006/000614.html" target="top">www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg2000/zg0006/000614.html</a> This article appears in the January 10, 2003 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. <a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3001sharon_mafiya.html" target="top">Sharon and His Mafiya Allies Plot Israel Election Th by Jeffrey Steinberg [/b] <a href="http://www.apfn.org/apfn/rich.htm" target="top">MARC RICH WAS "A MOSSAD" SPY FOR ISRAEL</a> <a href="http://www.namebase.org/sources/dV.html" target="top">Friedman, Robert I. Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America. New York: Little, Brown and Company, 2000. 296 pages.</a> ....

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:27 pm

" they (the criminal orgs.) are the real power behind the throne; not the elites, State Banks, National Governments." This is in error. This whole fucking thread is an error. Doesn't anybody else see it? The entire history of organized criminal activity is in subservience to the overall goals of trans-national capitalist elites. Oh, there is one ideology that these criminal relationships "transcend" at there own risk: the overall survival of the capitalist system and it's transformation into a global capitalist NWO. It's next to impossible to understand Realpolitik w/o a grasp of this. Specific groups rise and fall at the whim of the CIA and their sister agencies abroad. Israeli "mafiya", Vietnamese gangs, La Cosa Nostra, White Russian emigre mobsters, they all exist to fill a specific and necessary (largely economic, frequently goons, sometimes boogey-men) role, desired by the "elites". And these united intel orgs sustain the Italian mafia, the Cuban mafia, the Israeli mafia, the Russian mafia, the KLA-Albanian mafia, the Latin American drug lords, the French connection, Air America, the Golden Triangle, the Afghan poppy fields, etc. etc. Not the other way around. All of that shit exists purely by the grace and design of our leaders. And all of it would for most purposes cease to exist tomorrow, if it wasn't for the concerted effort of the ruling classes to synchronize these interrelationships to benefit the overall transformative power of the NWO. This is the singular truth proven by the history that has been written and testified to. Now, the entire history of US-OSS-CIA invlovement in the rise and existence of these gangs is being revised in front of our eyes. Qui bono, people? Oh, and thanks for Ernest Zundel from saving me having to point out the obvious regarding all this.

by **Starman** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:50 pm

Hanshan said: "It's next to impssible to understand modern Realpolitik w/out a grasp of how organized crime, NSS security agencies ( NSA, CIA, Mossad, FSB, etc.), are not separate & distinct operations. They are all bundled together; sometimes w/ unified goals, at other times wrestling for the prize; which can be information, drugs, weapons, cash, currenicies, gold, precious metals, atomic devices, enriched uranium, plutonium; i.e., any convertible commodity. These relationships & interrelationships transcend national boundaries, idealogies, religious afiliations, & are wholly outside the law as that concept is commonly understood & applied. It could be understood that they (the criminal orgs.) are the real power behind the throne; not the elites, State Banks, National Governments." (Well Said!) Understanding all that, I STILL don't understand it. And when I try, my head hurts and I don't know what to believe, other than if I read it it must be false. All I want is a simple 2000 square foot log cabin along a forested mountain stream filled with trout and salmon and steelhead, with a pleasant garden in a broad meadow, situated on a semi-tropical island with decent surf, with a nearby community of pleasant peace-and-life-loving peoples -- is THAT too much? Sometimes I just wanna say -- ah, nevermind. Starman

by **Qutb** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:25 pm

Hanshan <blockquote>Quote:<hr>It's next to impssible to understand modern Realpolitik w/out a grasp of how organized crime, NSS security agencies ( NSA, CIA, Mossad, FSB, etc.), are not separate & distinct operations. They are all bundled together; sometimes w/ unified goals, at other times wrestling for the prize; which can be information, drugs, weapons, cash, currenicies, gold, precious metals, atomic devices, enriched uranium, plutonium; i.e., any convertible commodity. These relationships & interrelationships transcend national boundaries, idealogies, religious afiliations, & are wholly outside the law as that concept is commonly understood & applied. It could be understood that they (the criminal orgs.) are the real power behind the throne; not the elites, State Banks, National Governments.<hr></blockquote> Right on, and I think this is the key to a lot of the stuff we're discussing here. It's also one of the least talked about aspects of globalization, the globalization of organized crime. I just started reading a book on this subject which I would recommend if you can find it: "Hot Money and the Politics of Debt" by R.T. Naylor, from 1987. It's a book "about hot and homeless money - where it comes from, how it is used and abused, how the world of high finance, governmental and corporate, became hostage to it". It contains interesting info on Meyer Lansky, P2, Banco Ambrosiano, Opus Dei, money laundering in general, how IMF/WB conditionalities promote drugs exports, the role of drugs in the global economy and the role of intelligence agencies in the drug trade is even admitted, which I think was unusual at the time (for instance it is alleged, and I have little reason to doubt it, that the "French connection" in the heroin trade was run by French intelligence, and of course that the CIA was shipping heroin from South East Asia, taking over the trade from the French there after 1954). Also Loretta Napoleoni's "Terror Inc", in which she traces the money behind global terrorism. As Sibel Edmonds points out, the majority comes not from the famous "charities" but from drugs & arms trade, and thus terrorism is always plugged into this global underworld, which isn't really an underworld at all but a central part of the globalized economy. Napoleoni, who used to be an economist at the IMF, doesn't get into "conspiracy theories" (though she does acknowledge the tight CIA-ISI relationship and the ISI-heroin-taliban-al Qaida nexus), but she does leave a lot of dots for us CTers to connect. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **Qutb** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:49 pm

Proldic said <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The entire history of organized criminal activity is in subservience to the overall goals of trans-national capitalist elites. Oh, there is one ideology that these criminal relationships "transcend" at there own risk: the overall survival of the capitalist system and it's transformation into a global capitalist NWO. It's next to impossible to understand Realpolitik w/o a grasp of this.<hr></blockquote> But these criminal organizations are part and parcel of the "global capitalist NWO". They aren't outside elements threatening it, but rather indispensable for its functioning. What would happen to Wall Street if the money from drugs & arms sales suddenly disappeared? Of course, elites are at the top of and behind the "criminal" organizations, just as they are the "power behind the throne" of central banks, commercial banks and national governments. It's not a matter of elites vs. the criminals, of course. This was more transparent in the age of the opium wars, but not less true today. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:05 pm

Maybe I/you misunderstood hanshan's original post? I was reponding to this, which I saw as the gist of it: "It could be understood that they (the criminal orgs.) are the real power behind the throne; not the elites, State Banks, National Governments." What would have happened to Banamex if Citibank hadn't stepped in? Would Citibank been able to get away with what they did without regulatory approval from on high? Who serves who here?

by **Qutb** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:37 pm

The individual organizations are indeed replaceable, but if one is dispensed with, a similar organization must and will take its place. It is the "black" economy itself that is indispensable to the functioning of globalized capitalism. Who serves whom? It's a symbiotic relationship, but of course the whole thing is sanctioned from on high. The question is, why? Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

Russian Ukraine Israeli Mafia?

Russian Ukraine Israeli Mafia?

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