Michael Parenti: Amy Goodman Altered DN Transcript

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Michael Parenti: Amy Goodman Altered DN Transcript

Postby proldic » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:19 pm

"...and you can quote me."<br><br>Parenti says that in an interview w/ Goodman leading up to the Iraq war, when he said -- in contradiction to her speculation of incompetence or competition as motive for the war -- "they know exactly what they're doing there", her face turned as white as a ghost, and they removed that part from the transcript. <br><br><br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Michael Parenti: Amy Goodman Altered DN Transcript

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:53 pm

link si'l vous plait<br><br>goodman is another darling of the left.<br>c.no wonder the USA is almost fascist.<br><br>My DU threads from Citizen Spook are about out of breath<br>with much less interest from Duers<br>lewft rt dem repub<br><br>ALL IS GRAND THEATER! consumption for the commoners.. <p></p><i></i>
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Iraq Incompetance

Postby Starman » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:27 pm

I'm not clear on what Parenti meant by 'competition' -- But I fer shure strongly lean toward believing the kinds of incredible idiocy, stupidity, duplicity, corruption, and plain mismanagement that characterizes the whole US project in Iraq MUST be deliberate, intended to totally demolish Iraq civil society -- quite likely, a deliberate policy to make Iraq a failed state that will take many years to repair, also keeping it from developing its oil industry. The US could hardly have failed any worse than it has, seemingly intended to cause Iraq to erupt in Civil War.<br>I know this 'theory' doesn't answer everything, but it seems to fit the evidence better than anything else I've seen.<br><br>One consequence? The US is now roundly reviled for its illegitimate government, it's arrogance, prideful incompetance, it's dangerous foreign policy delusions, it's contempt for rule of law and International Agreements, and above all, it's hypocrisy -- or at least, that of its 'leaders'. Its also a terrible example of what happens when a superpower's government is corrupted by rampant and pervasive criminality and abuse of power that is no longer subject to the will of The People or to oversight.<br><br>The war crimes and torture and DU genocide are hardly attributable to 'mistakes'. The implications as issues of deliberate policy SHOULD be and WOULD BE a major issue in a civilized, truly democratic state -- It just astonishes me that some people can STILL be apologists for the Bush War Party of power and privelege, as if what we're doing is somehow making America Safe and 'defending' American Values.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Michael Parenti

Postby robertdreed » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:31 pm

Amy is bound to have Michael Parenti on her show as a guest again. Maybe he'll take the oportunity to bring up the issue.<br><br>If that's all anyone has on Amy Goodman, it isn't much. For a "gatekeeper", it seems to me that she pretty much keeps the latch off the door. <br><br>I've heard some of the best debates on that show, and the most minimally and fair-mindedly moderated ones. So I feel as if I have to total up the credits to balance them against the debits, when it comes to "Democracy Now." <br><br>I'm unsure what the impact of leaving Parenti's comment in would have been. Parenti sounds as if he was censored for telling a truth too unpleasant to be heard. But I've heard other Democracy Now commentators make much more damning and scandalous observations. That "censored" comment just sounds like Michael being Michael. <br><br>I'm inclined to agree with the "intentionality " conjecture, by the way. At minimum, the architects of the Iraq invasion simply didn't give a shit, knowing that having the foot in the door was priority #1. Everything else was such a secondary consideration that it hardly rated notice. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/27/05 9:58 pm<br></i>
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Re: Iraq Incompetance

Postby Dreams End » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:33 pm

Surely this has been linked to before:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/images/left_gatekeepers.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>If this image comes out screwy...here's the link:<br>And I have a feeling that the image change of the border size will screw up subsequent posts. Sorry, but I like the chart.<br><br>http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm<br> <p></p><i></i>
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I believe that's called editing

Postby GDN01 » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:40 pm

Prol - I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your posts that seem to be "finger pointing" at Amy Goodman here, and Cindy Sheehan on the Camp Casey thread.<br><br>It feels to me like you are trying to say, "See - these people aren't so great." The thing is - I don't have these people up on a pedastal beyond reproach. No one is all good, and very few are all bad. <br><br>I've been interviewed for newspaper reports and had my comments edited. I've been taped for live tv interviews and had statements removed - sometimes the statement I most wanted to make! Is it possible the producers of the Amy Goodman show edited this man's remarks. Very. Do we know for sure? No. Just because someone says it is so, doesn't mean it is. <br>And it doesn't seem like the statement he's concerned about is all that troubling. I listen to Amy Goodman and she often has people on that disagree with her. <br><br>Are you hoping we no longer will listen to Amy Goodman? Are you trying to remind us she's media and may slant things? This I already know. I don't totally accept anything anyone says in the media. I always have my bs detector on. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Iraq Incompetance

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:42 pm

DE<br><br>RT ON DA MONEY!<br><br>Been lookin for that one..IMAGINE postin it at DU??<br> now that would melt the house down .there is no left no rt only the rts of the elites and how to swindle some more rts! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Iraq Incompetance

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:46 pm

probably add some more..how about the <br>Progressive mag..maybe jim hightower..molly ivans.<br>ALL THE CELEBRITY DARLINGS OF THE LEFT..<br><br>Mike moore ..al franken <br>DONT BUY THEIR PRODUCTS.. <p></p><i></i>
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Left Gatekeepers

Postby robertdreed » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:51 pm

Mort Zuckerman, funding Democracy Now?<br><br>...poor Zuckerman.<br><br>If he's feeding them, they regularly bite his arm off, up to the elbow. If there's a quid pro quo there, maybe someone can provide a specific example. <br><br>I have a feeling that the "Zuckerman connection" pretty much begins and ends with the fact that DN co-host Juan Gonzalez is also employed by Zuckerman's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>New York Daily News</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>I'll tell you straight-up. I'm a pro-capitalist. I don't listen to DN or Pacifica for their Left political slant, I listen to them because they typically have the best reportage in the business. <br><br>Personally, I wish that Pacifica would just jettison their CPB money and their Ford Foundation money, rent some billboards, and ADVERTISE, for crying out loud. Most of their money comes from the listeners as it is. Not bad, for a station that most Americans don't even realize exists. If they grew their base merely by another 20%, they'd recoup all the money lost by their dependence on the CPB. I think they could do even better than that. <br><br>But- Pacifica is a bunch of socialists and Trotskyites, and they don't do "capitalism." They have a morality problem with supplying a high-value product in exchange for money, for some reason. That goes a long way to explain their cloistered attempts at outreach, and their ten-thumbed idea of how to expand their listener base. <br><br>Despite that, Pacifica survives largely because their product is so high-value- journalistic integrity, intelligent commentary, and professional production values- that people continue to support it, simply as "shareware."<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/29/05 1:44 am<br></i>
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Re: Left Gatekeepers

Postby Dreams End » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:03 am

Sorry, I did screw up the spacing, but I'm glad the chart is helpful. by the way, though I posted it, I don't assume that this is a "chain of command." I think there are a lot of good people who are in this chart who are just seriously committed to the issues they're involved with, which don't threaten the PTB. How many of them actively try to suppress the "juicy bits" I really don't know. So it's more complicated than the chart looks.<br><br>Oh, by the way, this chart is REAL gatekeepers. Can we please not accuse fellow posters who disagree with us of being "gatekeepers"? Or even Jeff? You have to have some power and a significant following to have that role, and you especially have to have the power to "cut off the tap" when things are going the "wrong way." our fellow posters here obviously can't do that. And while Jeff can, he's not yet a big enough presence. Maybe he will become one...but even then, I'll be he'll be pretty stingy with his "bannings." <p></p><i></i>
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amy goodman

Postby manxkat » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:16 am

Mark Robinowitz at OilEmpire.us has a piece on Amy Goodman and Democracy Now (scroll down a ways to the article):<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.oilempire.us/democracynow.html">www.oilempire.us/democracynow.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>As a believer in government complicity in 9/11, I can't help but see how likely the whole left gatekeeper phenomenon must be true -- just look at the pervasive bias against covering 9/11 truth on the left. Robinowitz has lots of info on his site about others he deems to be left gatekeepers as well, like David Corn. Some very surprising stuff -- the stuff of rude awakenings.<br><br>Dream's End -- that chart was worth posting for the uninitiated! <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Left Gatekeepers

Postby Sweejak » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:18 am

off topic, some early Pacifica history.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/iblog/C394583283/E2870525/index.html">homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/i...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: amy goodman

Postby Sweejak » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:30 am

It only makes sense for one to have a controlled opposition. Plus most of us have seen this all before during the 60's. A no brainer for me. The problem is proving intent. How many earnest and well meaning people have no idea who they are working for? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: amy goodman

Postby Dreams End » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:09 pm

I have started reading Schotz's "History will not absolve us." He purports (I haven't read enough yet) to show how obvious the conspiratorial nature of the JFK assassination was and how left gatekeepers, primarily The Nation magazine, actively worked to suppress it. The Nation had a reporter with great credentials doing a long analysis of the Warren Commission report and the editor consistently kept throwing up hurdles and it was not ever published. Others apparently involved: I.F. Stone, Chomsky.<br><br>His thesis is not that these guys open their mail box and get checks from the CIA (well, Chomsky actually has gotten money from a CIA front...but I don't think that's mentioned in the book), but rather that the culture of politics in this country is such that an assassination of a president by the CIA is considered acceptable and that those "gatekeepers" do not want to risk disrupting the culture in which they are active by alienating those "progressives" in the power structure. so they might really go all out, as Chomsky seems to do on foreign policy, and yet refrain from questioning an obvious intelligence agency hit on the President. <br><br>The book wants to show that the facts of the conspiracy were obvious and plain to see (evidently Castro laid it all out clearly only two days after the hit...haven't read the speech yet) and that NO ONE in the power structure resigned in protest at being forced to go along. NOT ONE congressman, senator or newspaper editor. These guys might not have said, should you ask, "Oh sure, it's okay for the CIA to knock off elected officials," but when faced with this obvious conspiracy, clearly decided that allowing it to go unquestioned was far superior to unleashing whatever popular forces might have been unleashed should the truth have been acknowledged. <br><br>So, we don't have to assume that the Cockburns and Chomsky's are actively receiving orders from Langley, and can still even find merit in their writings in the areas that they are "allowed" so to speak, to write about. But we need to be aware that they are a part of the power structure, too, and as such, will not touch or even actively discredit those items that might upset the whole apple cart. <br><br>Here's a great quote from Schotz about why so many can believe JFK was victim of a conspiracy and yet no one acts on it:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It is so important to understand that one of the primary means of immobilizing the American people politically today is to hold them in a state of confusion in which anything can be believed but nothing can be known, nothing of significance, that is.<br><br>And the American people are more than willing to be held in this state because to KNOW the truth - as opposed to only BELIEVE the truth - is to face an awful terror and to be no longer able to evade responsibility. it is precisely in moving from belief to knowledge that the citizen moves from irresponsibility to responsibility, from helplessness and hopelessness to action, with the ultimate aim of being empowerd and confident in one's rational powers.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Note, he's not blaming everyday citizens so much as explaining how the "gatekeepers" so to speak could ignore facts that should be obvious and contribute, therefore, to this climate of "belief" vs. "knowledge." <br><br>One of my big revelations, and it started before RI, but RI has helped, too, is that I'm not nuts. These intellectual giants whom I respected, such as Chomsky, don't call these "conspiracy theories" nuts because they are crazy, they call these theories nuts because the alternative is too disruptive to the power structure they are part of. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Schotz

Postby manxkat » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:47 pm

Dream's End, thank you for that terrific posting. It really explains the whole left gatekeeper phenomenon in terms that I had a gut feeling about, but hadn't really formulated. <br><br>I'm not a fan of Alex Jones, but in my initial quest for information on 9/11, his pages and videos kept popping up on google searches, so I read and watched out of curiosity. One of the videos showed Jones trying to interview Michael Moore on the street -- more like frantically following Moore, yelling questions at him while Moore made his way through a crowd. Jones was trying to get Michael Moore to answer some question about why Moore didn't cover x, y, and z about 9/11 and Moore finally responded that it "would be un-American."<br><br>Whether that little incident above is indicative of the same phenomenon Schotz eludes to, I don't know. Could be. At any rate, Moore had a golden opportunity with "Fahrenheit 9/11" to expose the published text of the PNAC (Project for the New American Century) regarding the need for a new Pearl Harbor, and he didn't touch that bit of damning truth. Why not?<br><br>I do believe that what Schotz is talking about can be put into even simpler terms: the red pill vs. the blue pill (a la The Matrix). Most Americans really don't want the red pill -- it makes a confusing life even that much more "difficult." It's so much more comforting to believe the lie that our government cares about us, or believe the lie that we're the good guys and we need to get rid of the bad guys (Muslims, gays, socialists, etc.).<br><br>So, maybe Michael Moore was right, at least in view of what Americans can and cannot handle. I, for one, would prefer to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth revealed, and let the chips fall where they may.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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