Helter-Skelter Alert: Toledo riots!

[glubglubglub]

Some neo-nazis were going to do a march, it's been preempted by rioting blacks. Keep an eye for agent provacateurs on all sides, something doesn't smell right about either party in this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/">abclocal.go.com/wtvg/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[glubglubglub]

better article: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3983166">www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3983166</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[nashvillebrook]

this one's not available now.<br><br>this doesn't look good. same day as the Million More March, too. <p></p><i></i>

[glubglubglub]

apparently it's been getting some fox + cnn coverage (no tv here)...sounds lamer and lamer the more I hear (ie, DOZENS -- as opposed to hundreds or thousands -- involved), but time will see how much excess attention is thrown this way.<br><br>Not sure on better links. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...that had urban anti-terrorism training in its streets earlier this year?<br><br>Jest a coinkydink I'm sure. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

the defocusing and topic changing are a bush MO<br><br>DISTRACTO MAN!!<br><br>Look for some new scandal from jolly wood<br>or the next bird flu..maybe turkey flu killing off foks in well name some country...<br><br>how about chikenhawk fever?contagious for any Heros /Heroines who happen to challenge the mean machine <p></p><i></i>

[albion]

MSNBC.com says <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9707507/">"Anti-Nazi crowd runs riot in Ohio"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. Also, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/index.html">Toledo Mayor Blames Gangs</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> for violence, although to his credit he also says it was "exactly what white supremacists wanted." <br><br>I see that "Kaiser" Bill White is the spokesman for the National Socialists. Hmm... <p></p><i></i>

[glubglubglub]

I got linked to here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503040/posts?page=367#367">www.freerepublic.com/focu...ge=367#367</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>which has screengrabs of fox's coverage...and I'm sticking by my sensation of 'underwhelming' numbers -- a couple dozen, tops -- involved on all sides. The fox stuff looks like they were hoping to have more to sensationalize, but not enough materialized to get away with full-on yellow journalism.<br><br>I suspect any really sensationalistic media coverage would have needed a camera angle with a sea of people flowing through it, but there's just no angle in those grabs where the crowd's margins don't show up. This is either a pretty pathetic showing all around or a failure, or both. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...there was a guy who was killing people downtown at Cleveland State University...one victim was black, one Jewish, I think, so they figured it was racially motivated.<br><br>Anyway, they caught the guy and put him on trial. One of his neighbors from the Near West Side testified that he was a 'regular guy'--well, he did hang giant Nazi swastika flags out his bedroom and dress up in women's clothing, but...he was a regular guy.<br><br>For the Near West Side.<br><br>Of Cleveland.<br><br>I guess.<br><br>Those of you who've never gotten any closer to Clevo than "American Splendor" or the Drew Carey Show--you had to be there to know what it was like in the '70s. Not quite as bad as Detroit or Youngstown, or for that matter Toledo. Actually, I spent a weekend in Toledo circa 1975 when my then-boyfriend was in pharmacy school there, and I wanted to blow my brains out. When someone from Cleveland can't stand a place for more than 36 hours without cracking, it's BAAAAD. <p></p><i></i>

[Homeless Halo]

Much of Detroit is still in ruins from our bouts with the National Guard back in the day. The CIA uses it as a convenient place to sell crack to children today. Worse yet, since its decomissioned zones, they can say its legal, really, if they ever get caught. No laws there. Little spots scattered across downtown suburbs.<br><br>Calling my friends in Toledo, as there is no mention on our news...<br>---<br>"When someone from Cleveland can't stand a place for more than 36 hours without cracking, it's BAAAAD"<br>---<br>HA! <p></p><i></i>

[albion]

The Bill White quoted as spokesman for the NSM in the CNN article appears to be the same Bill White of Overthrow.com, who is almost universally reviled across the political spectrum. This 2002 article by Mark Salotte briefly airs some suspicion on the libertarian left that Billl White is a provocateur, while leaving open the possibility that he's just a psychotic attention hog (which seems to be the prevailing view):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Third Positionist" Fascism In The US: A Case Study Of Bill White<br><br>THE THIRD POSITION IN NORTH AMERICA:<br>GROWING DANGER OR OVERBLOWN HYPE (OR BOTH?)<br>A CASE STUDY OF "KAISER BILL" WHITE<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://flag.blackened.net/pipermail/infoshop-news/2002-February/000617.html">flag.blackened.net/piperm...00617.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Also, Wikipedia is quick, they already added today's "event" to their page on Bill White:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_White_(neo-Nazi)">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bil...(neo-Nazi)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=albion@rigorousintuition>albion</A> at: 10/16/05 2:15 am<br></i>

[Dreams End]

great link, albion, for more than just info on Bill White. This caught my eye:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>For example, White has been writing for a several months now that the<br>anti-racist left are "left-fascists," "one of the strongest supporters of<br>the government" on account of our attempts to "crush the right of free<br>speech." The argument in its full form is that powerful corporate interests<br>(who he equates in his usual half-truth way with the Democratic Party, ADL,<br>NAACP, etc.) are using "anti-racism" as cover to crush dissent in all its<br>forms, and that the anti-fascist movement is merely duped into playing the<br>extra-legal role these interests require for their master plan. On a<br>particularly honest day, he'll go so far as to admit that these interests<br>are "nearly all Jewish." While this is a patently absurd formulation, it<br>has a certain power in that it derives from real debates on the left<br>between anti-statist radicals and liberals over the question of "free<br>speech for fascists" -- an issue that has been exploited plenty by fascist<br>moles every time its arisen. Most recently, this has been echoed by Billy<br>Roper in a letter sent to the home addresses of anti-racists and random<br>bystanders arrested at the York, PA mobilization: "All you have to do is<br>get a better mask and a new pair of running shoes, and you'll be set to go<br>again and continue your adolescent terrorism against free speech and in<br>support of the government."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>the article goes onto show his techniques of disinformation...even attacking his own internet posts under a different name. I recommend the article so folks can get an idea how some of these guys shift their stances and rhetoric to fit their needs at any minute but basically keeping their core "values." <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...a state of emergency, blamed the rioting on 'gangs' using the neo Nazi rally as a 'pretext' (can't imagine a LEGITIMATE reason why black people wouldn't like neo-Nazis prancing around their town, can you?), arrested 65 people, declared a curfew.<br><br>Dry run, folks. That's how it'll go down:<br><br>Set up a deliberate provocation <br>Blame people who get provoked for getting provoked<br>Identify them as criminals, undesirables, riff raff--persons not deserving of any rights [like the way they claimed the poor people in NOLA were killers, rapists and muggers--virtually all of which has since been proved totally false]<br>Declare emergency, call in the Guard, call out the Army, declare martial law<br>Haul the miscreants off to...who knows where.<br>Who will risk joining them if they try too hard to find out?<br><br>They don't call it "Night and Fog" or "Disparecidos" for nothing. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051016/ap_on_re_us/nazi_march">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051...nazi_march</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

Check out the parts about how the headline says the mayor 'blames' the gangs, but what he actually said was they let the Nazis provoke them; note only blacks were arrested, no Nazis; note the march was to protest black crime by going through a black neighborhood that the mayor, who is black, admits wasn't a problem area (North Toledo); note the "Socialists" showed up to give eggs to the blacks to throw at the Nazis; note the cops route the protesters and marchers to collide; note the Nazis blamed the cops for the riot...<br><br>Why does so much that BushCo does resemble a Black Op crossed with the Keystone Kops? A Keystone Op?<br>---<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/">www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>