sex, money, meth (businessman "destroys" town)

by **hmm** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:47 am

This is a awardwinning 6 part series that examines how one mans obsession near destroys a town of 15,000 people. There are some interesting insights in this story that are relevant to how cycles of abuse occur. <a href="http://www.newwest.net/index.php/main/article/sex_money_and_meth_addiction_the_story_of_dick_dasen_and_his_girls/">www.newwest.net/index.php...his_girls/</a> Part 1: Sex, Money and Meth Addiction: Inside the World of the 'Dasen Girls' Part 2: A Mother's Worst Nightmare Part 3: A Pillar of the Community Part 4: 'Our Give-a-Shitters Were Broken' Part 5: The Scourge of Rural America Part 6: Crime and Punishment a few quotes: "At some point in the last few years, the appointments had gotten out of hand. Huge sums of money— estimated between $1 and $5 million total — were flowing out. Dasen told police that he had paid some women as much as $100,000. The women involved referred to themselves as “Dasen girls,” and they recruited among their friends, taking payments of as much as $2,000 just for bringing in anyone new who was young, thin, reasonably good-looking, and down on their luck." "So much of the cash flowed directly back into the methamphetamine trade, law enforcement officials say, that Kalispell, population 15,000, experienced a big-city style epidemic of addiction and all that goes with it -- crime, domestic abuse and violent conflicts over drug deals and money." "Kalispell Police Chief Frank Garner pondered his options. “I had a hard time categorizing these women as victims, or suspects,” he said. But as more information came in from his detectives, he made a decision. “I had to make the decision whether to be the Chief of Police who knew about this and let it go because of the prominence of the offender, or act, and take the consequences. I had to act, even though there were a lot of people who thought I shouldn’t." and what is the punishment for destroying a town one might ask? <a href="http://www.newwest.net/index.php/main/article/dasen_sentencing_reflects_unusual_nature_of_case/">www.newwest.net/index.php...e_of_case/</a> "At days end, Dasen received a sentence that combined a dose of both treatment and prison. Judge Stewart Stadler sentenced Dasen, who is sixty three years old and was once one of the valley’s most prominent businessmen and philanthropists, to a combined total of twenty years, with eighteen suspended. The sentence guarantees that Dasen will spend at least twenty months in the Montana State Prison at Deer Lodge. He will also undergo further treatment for sex addiction in a program for sex offenders. Myers reported that in his opinion, Dasen would be an excellent candidate for treatment, posed no threat to the community, and had a “low to moderate” potential to re-offend"

by **marykmusic** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>and what is the punishment for destroying a town one might ask?<hr></blockquote> The town was already destroyed. Meth will do that to a place. --MaryK

by **thurnandtaxis** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:05 pm

Interesting thing about this drug which seems to be a "white man's crack" is that it has emerged pretty much from a biker/white power distribution network. I wonder to what degree it is linked back to WW2. My sketch of a theory: Nazis use methamphetamines. US forces get exposed to it-some like it. Perhaps it is even given to troops to enhance performance. Then after the war returned GI's who form the vanguard US biker gangs use it to build part of their socio-economic network. I wonder to what degree this process was monitored or facilitated by intelligence operations. Is it connected to Project Paperclip? Later intelligence moles in white separatist communities? It seems like the meth network is too good of a source of black budget revenue to not be exploited by the good 'ol PTB. Just some thoughts- anyone got some more info on this? My sense is that this whole "problem" is very similar to what Gary Webb detailed about the crack epidemic.

by **veritas** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:35 pm

Interesting, t and t (do you advertise the family or beer?) DOJ says this... <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The Amado CARRILLO-Fuentes organization is currently the most powerful drug group in Mexico and operates from Hermosillo in the west across the border to Arizona and from Juarez into Texas. A seizure in Las Cruces, New Mexico, in 1995 of 315 kilograms of methamphetamine was tied to the CARRILLO-Fuentes organization. At least parts of this shipment were destined for Washington, Oklahoma, Illinois, and Georgia. The methamphetamine was analyzed at 98 percent pure and had an estimated street value of over $50 million. This organization also is tied to a 3 metric ton shipment of ephedrine destined for Nicaragua in concert with the AMEZCUA organization. The CARRILLO-Fuentes organization provides large quantities of methamphetamine to the Phoenix, Arizona, area through the Jorge ORTIZ-Caro organization, which operates in Sonora, Mexico, as well as Phoenix. The ORTIZ-Caro organization has been identified as a methamphetamine source of supply for organizations based in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas. ORTIZ-Caro reportedly is a supplier of methamphetamine to associates and members of the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang in Phoenix.<hr></blockquote> Surely more to the story.

by **glubglubglub** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:42 pm

so your theory needs to take back into account...an early treatment for 'cretinism' -- read as mild retardation -- was amphetamines, much as today adhd is treated the same way. Methamphetamine I never know what the deal with it is -- the chemistry to make it is easy, although dangerous, provided ephedrine is available -- but it wouldn't surprise me if the domestic crackdown has gotten foreign suppliers into it in a big way. The big deal with the amphetamines is that it's possible to work on them -- if anything you're more productive on them than off -- so they appeal to a huge swath of the populace: the working white poor (dunno why it's not taken off amongst other poor) to do multiple jobs and multiple shifts, and yuppies etc. of all stripes to get ahead.

by **thurnandtaxis** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:12 am

Veritas- Yep, the good ol' Aryan Brotherhood...scoring from mexican gangs. -Funny how racial prejudices seem to be brushed aside when someone can get their hands on "the good stuff". More proof to me that the folks at the top of such disparate organizations form treaties that advance causes other than those which they espouse to their members. BTW: I wanted a screen name that referenced Pynchon's Crying of Lot 49 - "Trystero" was taken, so...

by **hmm** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:18 am

i understand that meths is dangerous for a community but what struck me most was that one of those pretending to help those vulnerable people was actually preying on them. "At 62, Dasen was among the most prominent businessmen in the valley ~snip~ He contributed to the community tirelessly—as a church elder, in various charitable groups, and as a volunteer at Christian Financial Counseling, where he helped people struggling with debt. ~snip~ Sometime during his years as a volunteer credit counselor, the help for many of the women who came to him, or were sent to him by charitable organizations, became an arrangement where he would exchange cash and checks for sex. ~snip~ Dasen has amassed an impressive array of charges, including one misdemeanor and nine felony counts of prostitution, felony charges of promotion of prostitution, aggravated promotion of prostitution, sexual intercourse without consent and sexual abuse of children"

by **marykmusic** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:17 am

He stopped payment on checks. What were they going to do about it? He got them vehicles on credit from his dealership. Then they couldn't make the payments. He gave rewards for bringing in other young women, the younger the better (that is a charge, a couple of underaged girls snitched.) And he was already under investigation for being the payee for a man crippled in an accident (who had no family or other person to take resonsibility) and a half-million dollars had disappeared. --MaryK

by **banned** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:18 am

...on my part, but I couldn't care less if the crackers in the states that voted for Monkeyboy are all wacked out on meth and oxycontin. Maybe enough of them will OD before breeding to improve their gene pool. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">

by **robertdreed** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:01 pm

There's a book out on the history of amphetamines, entitled Speed Culture, if anyone wants to learn more about them. Methampetamine was first synthesized in 1918 in Japan. I'm not sure about amphetamine itself- Benzedrine, and it's d-isomer Dexedrine- but I think they were available to use as diet pills and decongestants as early as the 1930s. Amphetamines were sidely handed out by all sides in World War Two, to soldiers and pilots. For some reason, US flight crews were given magnesium pemoline instead of amphetamine for stamina, but I think all of the other air corps used amphetamines- the Luftwaffe, the RAF, the Japanese. Ampetamines provide an edge in terms of stamina and concentration- at least, when they're first used. That fact made them attractive to military forces from the first. The military fascination with stimulant drugs can be traced back to the turn of the 19th/20th century, when General von Faupel, then German military attache to Bolivia, experimented with it on his military units, gauging the effects of cocaine on the stamina of his troops in performing close-order drills, marching, and hikes. Amphetamines stayed popular with the military following World War Two, and were part of every combat soldiers kit in Korea and Vietnam. Hundreds of millions of pills were dispensed, usually in the form of Dexedrine. Amphetamines were also easy to obtain by the civilian population, and they were used by workers like long-haul truckers, dieters, and 30s Rat Pack party types- so popular they weren't even considered "drugs." Hugh Hefner is well known to have had a habit. Also a lot of writers have used them, some very heavily- Ayn Rand, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote, Jean Paul Sartre, Jack Kerouac, lots of others. They may even have been OTC for a while, I can't recall. I think the current meth plague is stupid. A lot of the users have never even tried to obtain a prescription for amphetamines, which isn't that difficult. In the USA, everal million adults have legal prescriptions for it, for adult ADD. Most doctors are hesitant to prescribe methamphetamine- which is, however, legal to do- but it isn't difficult to get a prescription for Dexedrine or Adderal. I for one do not think that fact is worth hand-wringing over. Does anyone think that those people would be better off resorting to the illegal market? This is not an advertisement for amphetamines. I don't think having a hot-wired metabolism is healthy, in the long run. I was diagnosed with adult ADD around 10 years ago- which, in fact, I do believe that I have- and I had a Dexedrine presciption for several years. However, I found myself using it every day- which is the way that the doctors expect their patients to use it, for some reason- and I didn't want to do that. I also found myself having a problem with rhodomyolysis- I think I spelled that right, it means muscle atrophy. It's a frequent effect of steady amphetamine use- studies have found that when used for dieting, after the first 5 lbs. of fat loss, the rest of the weight loss is split about 50/50 between fat and muscle. I'm a skinny man, and can't afford that. Amphetamines are also vasoconstrictors, and long-term use of vasoconstrictors is to be avoided, especially the older one gets. So I gave up my prescription. I may want it back some time, but not right now. That said, I think most of the problems associated with meth and amphetamines are dose-related, just as with alcohol. The closer one gets to 10mg/kg, the greater the likelihood of running into problems with, um, brain damage. Keep it down to 1/10 of that, and get your vitamins, and that's less of a risk. Also method of ingestion- a big difference between oral ingestion, snorting, smoking, and injecting. High-dose ingestion looks crazy to me, it's like giving yourself a fever and calling it a high. Unfortunately, that's what most tweakers are after. And then they drink on top of it. The worst problems come when people with "impulse disorders" and violent personalities take it. People with a history of serious crimes- in which I include residential burglary. The sort of people who should never be allowed to get a prescription for it. That's what makes meth a menace to communities. But as for social problems like young girls becoming prostitutes for meth- or cocaine, or opiates- I think they ought to be able to simply see a physician and get a prescription from a doctor. That way, they can obtain their supply from a pharmacy instead of a pimp. cut out the "middleman", and leave the predators fuming on the sidelines. (Ironically, I'd bet that perhaps half of all tweakers have undiagnosed ADD...they're eligible for a prescription. Although I think even adults without ADD should be able to get it, unless they have a volent history. But I'd also require unsealing juvenile violent crime/felony records. Who are we kidding? ) I think people ought to face the reality that they ain't going to stop meth with police raids. But education will make a huge difference. ( I could put together a much better drug education program than DARE, but I'd insist on telling the truth about cannabis-even while still warning teenagers away from using it. ) jmo (just my opinion) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/1/05 1:49 pm

by **glubglubglub** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:14 pm

those who have the misfortune of knowing firsthand tell me that there's not much of a comparison between meth (at any effective dose) and regular/dextro-amphetamine -- the comparison between the meth and normal varieties is on the order of the relationship between normal ampheatmines and caffeine. Perhaps with time and effort a reformed tweaker could get used to amphetamine as a meth substitute, but in the short term it'd be closer to methadone -- a patch for the physical addiction -- but basically useless for the psychological parts. Otherwise, your history's basically right -- amphetamine's been known since the late 1800s and widely commercially available since no later than the early 1930s, with the meth variant known since ~ 1920s and on a similar timetable for its usage history. Incidentally the revival of widespread cocaine usage can be linked to the increased difficulty obtaining legal amphetamine once they were scheduled in the 60s...

by **robertdreed** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:51 pm

Yeah, there's definitely a qualitative difference between methedrine and dexedrine. It depends what someone is looking for in terms of effect- more of a euphoric "rush", or simply an increased degree of focus and concentration. But a lot of people who use speed begin by seeking the second effect, and overshoot the mark- which is easy to do with a powdered drug instead of a pill. They don't realize that a minimum dose works better than setting their hair on fire sith the stuff. Frankly, I find the feeling of taking too much speed questionable- 20 mg of Dexedrine at once was too much for me. Breaking into a sweat from drug ingestion is bad. Feeling feverish in the sunlight is bad. If that's your high, you probably don't think much of being healthy. Maybe you don't remember what it's like. A lot of people eventually quit meth on their own, because it's such a punishing drug. The initial high is unsustainable, it turns into something else after about 8 hours. I've known a lot of people who went through it as a phase, and quit before they totally changed their systems around. But I know other people...I'm amazed at what people can get away with without dying, is all I can say. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/1/05 2:52 pm

by **robertdreed** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:26 pm

one more thing: in my opinion, the number of meth users would decline by at least 20-30% if the minimum wage were raised by about $3.00 an hour- that is, the adjusted equivalent to the minimum hourly wage in the 1970s. Because a lot of meth users these days begin doing it to cope with overwork, trying to get ahead, or just to keep their heads above water. Political and economic dogmas can be so stupid sometimes, and libertarian dogma is no exception. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/1/05 4:53 pm

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