Missing Explosives from New Mexico Co. with Govt. contracts.

by **GDN01** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:41 pm

It was reported yesterday that 150 pounds of high grade explosives were stolen from a private company, late Sunday evening. Here is one account of the <a href="http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2005/12/19/ap2403283.html">story</a> from Forbes. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>About 150 pounds of commercial plastic explosives has disappeared from a private storage site, along with 2,500 blasting caps and 20,000 feet of explosive detonation cord, authorities said Monday. "In the hands of the wrong person, this material can be very, very destructive," Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White said at a news conference. Wayne Dixie, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said the missing material was enough to level a building. Two containers, both stored inside two bunkers southwest of Albuquerque, were burglarized sometime between Dec. 13 and Sunday, authorities said. Dixie cautioned there was no evidence to suggest a link to terrorism but said investigators had no leads or suspects. Authorities offered a reward of up to $50,000 for information that helps them<hr></blockquote> What struck me in hearing the report on CNN was the obvious lack of information regarding the private business that had a need to have such explosives. I remember hearing it was a private business that did "research." In this Forbes article, the name of the business is provided, along with this info: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The materials were reported missing by the owner of Cherry Engineering Inc. Dixie said the company performs "research for the law enforcement community" but declined to elaborate.<hr></blockquote> So, who is Cherry Engineering, Inc - and what kind of research are they doing for the law enforcement community? I googled the name of the company, and here are the links I've found. <a href="http://www.iabti.org/manulinks.html">This mention on</a> the website for the International Association of Bomb Technicians and Investogators, as an exhibitor at their conference. And this <a href="http://www.cbd-net.com/index.php/search/show/830687">notice</a> that Cherry Engineering was awarded a Fixed Price Contract by the U.S. Govt. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The Government intends to award a Firm Fixed Price Contract on a sole source basis to Cherry Engineering, Inc., 1713 Catron Court SE, Albuquerque, NM 87123 for 12 line items of Advanced Disablement Tools including Mineral Water Bottle Disruptors, Hydra-Jets, Sherwood Specials, Seating Tools, Black Box and Rammer Kits, items manufactured exclusively by Cherry Engineering, Inc, approved by OPNAV and included on the EOD Table of Allowance Revision 22/23 for use by Explosive Ordnance Disposal mobile detachments. The NAICS is 332993. The FSC is 1375. The Solicitation will be issued on or about 2 June 2005. When the Solicitation is issued, it may be downloaded by accessing http://www.neco.navy.mil or at http://www.fedbizopps.gov. <hr></blockquote> I have not yet followed the above links to see if I could find the details of the contract - but note that one is a Navy Military site. And <a href="http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/cherry_engineering_inc_051067945.asp?yr=04">here</a> you can see that Cherry Engineering has been awarded govt. contracts for the last several years. In 2002, <a href="http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/cherry_engineering_inc_051067945.asp?yr=02">2 contracts</a> that total $158,575.00 In 2003, <a href="http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/cherry_engineering_inc_051067945.asp?yr=03">2 contracts</a> that total $12,719.00 in 2004, <a href="http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/cherry_engineering_inc_051067945.asp?yr=04">6 contracts</a> that total $149,947.00 One particular contract in 2004 caught my eye, for the Naval Surface Warfare Center - a contract for ammunition. In <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1338324,curpg-1.cms">The Times of India</a>, the article claims: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Huge amounts of high-tech explosives, including 67 kgs of commerical plastic explosives, which could be used to make numerous bombs, have been stolen from a private storage facility in the southwestern US state of New Mexico, officials said on Tuesday. The thieves used blowtorches to cut through the thick steel walls of a bunker where the explosives were stored, ABC news said quoting the officials. The missing 400 pounds of explosives includes 150 pounds of what is known as C-4 plastic, or 'sheet explosive,' which can be shaped and moulded and is often used by terrorists and military operatives. <hr></blockquote> This suggests more explosives are missing than was originally reported. Most U.S. articles are quick to point out that the authorities do not have reason to believe it was stolen by "terrorists". But I would think anyone stealing such high grade explosives are not well-intended, and if the explosives are used, would put them in the "terrorist" category. While the contracts, in and of themselves, do not mean anything about the people of Cherry Engineering. And of course our govt. and military purchases explosives. But I find it at least "curious" that such a facility has been broken into, and the explosives are missing. I'll keep looking for more info and post if I find anything else. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gdn01>GDN01</A> at: 12/20/05 3:49 pm

by **sunny** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:47 pm

I was watching coverage of the seaplane crash yesterday on CNN when initial reports of this incident came on- There is no doubt in my mind that those first reports said 500 pounds of explosives had been taken.

by **sunny** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:03 pm

ABC says 400 lbs.- <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1424214">abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1424214</a>

by **GDN01** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:21 pm

Who is Christopher Cherry? Christopher Cherry is mentioned in an article on the <a href="http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN08-27-99/cherry_story.html">Sandia Labs</a> site: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> During Operation Riverside¹s VIP day, City of Riverside Mayor Robert Loveridge read a just-issued proclamation honoring Chris Cherry's contributions to the bomb-disablement community and his work with the Riverside Police Department. In part, the proclamation reads: "Whereas he [Chris] has dedicated commitments toward domestic countermeasures through his close working relationship with local, state, and federal agencies in the transfer of current and new technologies in rendering safe improvised explosives devices to allow communities of this nation to safely counter the expanding domestic threat we are currently experiencing . . . Now, therefore, I, Ronald O. Loveridge, Mayor of the City of Riverside, California, do hereby recognize and commend Christopher R. Cherry, and on behalf of the Riverside City Council, Riverside Police Department, and Technical Services Unit express appreciation for his unparalleled service to the City of Riverside and our entire nation as a whole."<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.sandia.gov/about/index.html">Sandia Laboratories</a> is: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Since 1949, Sandia National Laboratories has developed technological solutions to support our national security and to counter national and global threats. Through science and technology, people, infrastructure, and partnerships, Sandia's mission is to meet national needs in five key areas: * Nuclear Weapons » ensuring the stockpile is safe, secure, reliable, and can support the United States' deterrence policy * Nonproliferation and Assessments » reducing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the threat of nuclear accidents, and the potential for damage to the environment * Military Technologies and Applications » addressing new threats to national security * Energy and Infrastructure Assurance » enhancing the surety of energy and other critical infrastructures * Homeland Security » helping to protect our nation against terrorism Sandia is a government-owned/contractor operated (GOCO) facility. Lockheed Martin manages Sandia for the U.S. Department of Energy's National Nuclear Security Administration. We seek collaborative partnerships on emerging technologies that support our mission. <hr></blockquote> Christopher created a Power Point presentation on terrorist attacks on Subway stations for the govt. The presentation can be downloaded <a href="http://knowledge.fhwa.dot.gov/cops/hcx.nsf/All+Documents/D2418059BFAF5D9C85256FE20050854F/$FILE/Cherry-C.ppt">here</a>. And Christopher Cherry was awarded a <a href="http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6269725.html">patent</a> for an apparatus and method for disarming improvised bombs, and it appears he was working for Sandia Laboratories when he developed it. With this information, why is the MSM stating there is no reason to believe the disappearance of the explosives is not believed to be connected to terrorism? I would think that would be their first assumption, with a company that is so heavily involved in anti-terrorist activities.

by **ARV** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:14 am

It can happen here... What is going to happen after the Bush crime family's (tip of the hat to Mike Malloy) false-flag attack?! All of these admonitions in recent days are telling. The junta is planning to kill many more Americans and blame their weak opposition. Will the current theory of the slowly creeping coup since December 12, 2000 be discarded? Are we going to wake up one morning to find out that we're under martial law? When will large numbers of Americans be corraled into camps or disappeared for opposing totalitarianism? What countries will be prepared to accept a flood of political U.S. refugees? What will happen to the US economy and the world economy?

by **steve vegas** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:42 am

upon reading this story: domestic terror attack carried out by domestic "terrrorists" to justify excesses of patriot act and excuse the recently disclosed Bush approval of NSA domestic spying flap with the goal of implementing new even more draconian patriot act type laws or maybe even the whole enchilada - martial law... i really hope not though...i think it's also highly possible that it's just more grist for the terror mill, they always like to ratchet up the fear right around the holdays for some reason, perhaps they need all the excess psychic fear energy for their twisted rituals... i also feel like the next big one isn't ever going to happen (which is good, and i pray that it won't) because of the voting machines...they have proven time and again that they have no conciense/shame, they've been exposed so many times in the last 5 years and i have to believe that the reason they continue to act with such impugnity is the fact that they know they own the elections...there really is no way for the "loyal opposition" to fight back if they can't get into office, so add that to the fact that most of the "loyal oppostion" is loyal to the same paymaster as as the ruling kleptocrats and there really doesn't seem to be any need for any more drama...i'd be willing to bet that upon further analysis they wish 911 hadn't happened, it's got to be a major pain in the ass trying to keep all the stories straight, and given the fact that they've been caught over and over again in lies regarding the phony osama/iraq links as justification for illegal war, and the public still seems to be overwhelmingly ignorant of the fakery (i understand that the polls show that a majority of those polled are now against the war) or unable to do anything about anything basically says to me they're going to take us wherever it is they want to go...there's no need for prison camps or martial law or any of the rest...i think that they think we've already been caged, in the open...i'm willing to bet that they have realized that 911 wasn't necesary to justify all the violent shennanigans...they could have just up and done it...which makes me think that such drastic measures won't be taken again, it's just not necessary... on the other hand, i can see a scenario wherein debt is again criminalized and all us debtors are shipped off to the "camps" which are nothing more than debtors prisons where the incarcerated serve sentences doing slave labor (arbeit macht frei!)...but with so many of us in debt that would severely shrink the market for the goods that resulted from our labor...unless of course all that labor was directed toward making things the elites need to survive after they pull the whole shithouse down, like digging the underground cities, or a soylent green type situation... the only thing that i think "we" really have going for us is karma...i keep clinging to the belief that all that evil will eventually be punished, or at least muted...that good will win in the end, but maybe i just saw star wars too many times when i was 9... i suppose all this has very little to do with the missing explosives...anyway, the domestic terror angle was my first thought on the matter...

by **GDN01** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:49 am

I agree with your concerns, and those of ARV. I find it odd that the ATF guy would say things like, "If these explosives are in the hands of people who know how to use them, it could be devastating." Of course the person who has stolen them knows how to use them. Someone knew they were there, exactly where on the grounds. And they knew what they were getting their hands on. This was not a random robbery. Someone used a blowtorch to cut through steel bunker walls. "In the hands of the wrong person..." Is there a right person to have stolen these explosives? And why steal such explosives unless you have a reason to use them. My question is, who knew, besides our govt. who has been purchasing ammunitions from this company, that Cherry Engineering had these explosives? And I found it a little odd that it was so easy to find this stuff on the internet, the contracts, etc. In some ways it is good that it is public knowledge who the govt. is awarding contracts to. But I would expect a little more security provided at a company that had high-grade explosives on their property. A surveillance camera or something. And maybe there was a camera there, and the authorities know more than they are saying. Makes me wonder if it was an inside job, and when and how will these explosives be used. The story isn't getting much coverage in the MSM, just a mention here and there.

by **Iroquois** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:12 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>About 150 pounds of commercial plastic explosives has disappeared from a private storage site, along with 2,500 blasting caps and 20,000 feet of explosive detonation cord<hr></blockquote> All those items would be considered explosives. So, the 500 lbs. would include the blasting caps and det cord along with the plastic explosives. This is a good catch, GDN01. Your words: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Someone knew they were there, exactly where on the grounds...Makes me wonder if it was an inside job...<hr></blockquote> My thoughts exactly. From the Forbes article: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Cherry Engineering was federally certified as an explosives storage facility and was in compliance with ATF regulations, Dixie said. The site was inspected weekly.<hr></blockquote>

by **GDN01** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:19 pm

The more I think about this, and all of Cherry's govt. and military connections - something seems really amiss here. I just found this <a href="http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4270982&nav=23Ku">article</a> that states: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The New Mexico site where 400 pounds of military-grade plastic explosives turned up missing this week was burglarized two years earlier. The facility was certified under a previous owner in December 2003 when 350 pounds of ammonium nitrate was stolen. The material was similar to that used to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City in 1995. In that case, the material was found abandoned in the desert a few days later.<hr></blockquote> Again I ask, shouldn't there be the tightest of all possible security measures taken at a site with this level of explosives? More <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20051220-11124400-bc-us-stolenbombs.xml">info</a> on Cherry in this article: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Chris Cherry, a scientist who specializes in explosives and is considered one of the nation's leading bomb technology experts, reported the theft Sunday. Local, state and federal officials set up an emergency operations center and posted a $50,000 reward for the recovery of the materials. The Albuquerque Journal said several hundred pounds of plastic explosives, 2,500 blasting caps and explosive detonator cords were stolen. Cherry trains federal and local police bomb squads, and in 1996 helped the FBI defuse one of "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's bombs.<hr></blockquote> And looking in Google News, I just came across this <a href="http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local/article/0,2564,ALBQ_19858_4329285,00.html">article</a> that raises the question of security: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In the post-Sept. 11, 2001, era, one might assume bomb-making materials would be under the tightest possible security. In fact, they sit unattended in the New Mexico desert, guarded by little more than lock and key. Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White says he doesn't understand it. "You have to question the logic behind federal regulations that prohibited you from carrying nail clippers onto an airplane, but allow you to store high-grade explosives in a poorly protected site in the middle of nowhere," White said. ... The private storage facility, owned and operated by internationally known Albuquerque explosives expert Chris Cherry, was in compliance with ATF regulations, said Wayne Dixie, special agent in charge of the agency's Albuquerque office. The facility was also in compliance in December 2003 when, under a different owner, 350 pounds of explosive ammonium nitrate pellets were stolen from the site. That material, similar to the type used to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, was later recovered abandoned on a deserted roadside. "It is concerning to me that the same thing happened twice at the same location," said Tim Manning, director of the state Office of Homeland Security. He said he wasn't aware of the double theft until he was informed by a reporter. The explosives missing Sunday were designed to shatter and break material, Mangan, speaking from Phoenix, said. Gone are 150 pounds of plastic explosive in brick form, he said, plus 250 pounds in rolled-up sheet form. The rope-like detonator cord, when wrapped around a tree, can demolish it, Mangan said. Dixie said the missing material is not explosive until attached to a detonator, adding he hopes the person who stole it doesn't have that knowledge. But the thief knew enough to travel deserted roads to reach the storage lot, get over or through its padlocked gate and break into two metal trailers. Dixie would not say how the thief entered the trailers between regularly scheduled inspections Dec. 13 and Dec. 18. Tools were also stolen, he said. It is the ATF's responsibility to regulate and ensure the state's 84 licensed storage facilities are secure, Mangan said. The facilities store explosives for mining and demolition companies, as well as for law enforcement bomb squad practice. According to ATF regulations, the explosives stored at the Cherry engineering site had to be contained in a trailer or facility that was bullet-, fire-, weather- and theft-resistant. Each door required two mortise locks, two padlocks, a three-point lock or some combination of those locks, according to the regulation. No locks are necessary for facilities "adequately secured on the inside." "It does make you scratch your head when you see all of the precautions we're taking (elsewhere)," White said. "It defies common sense." <hr></blockquote> And it seems to me, that Cherry himself, with all the work he has done on anti-terrorism, would have provided greater security measures at his facility.

by **Iroquois** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:11 pm

I'm also very suspicious of the ATF thread woven through all of this. If they were performing the weekly security inspections, they would have known the layout of the facility, the location of the explosives, the security measures, as well as the inventory. They would also have likely been in the same position in 2003 when the other burglary occurred. The abqtrib article makes it pretty clear I was wrong on my theory about the det chord and caps explaining the discrepencies between the amount of explosives in the different reports. It sounds like it was actually 400lbs of military-grade plastic explosives. *Corrected on edit. I first wrote 1995. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=iroquois@rigorousintuition>Iroquois</A> at: 12/21/05 9:08 pm

by **Asta** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:36 pm

Friends, I SAW the video footage of this explosives facilities and believe me, there are no thick steel walls. ABC News showed a video of barren land littered with trailers ( the kind hauled by semis) as the storage grounds. They interviewed the people in charge and they ALL reported that there ARE NO SECURITY GUARDS, THERE ARE NO SURVIELLANCE CAMERAS, AND THEY HAVEN'T A CLUE WHO DID THIS. This is making me crazy. check this out: "The facility was also in compliance in December 2003 when, under a different owner, 350 pounds of explosive ammonium nitrate pellets were stolen from the site. That material, similar to the type used to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, was later recovered abandoned on a deserted roadside. "It is concerning to me that the same thing happened twice at the same location," said Tim Manning, director of the state Office of Homeland Security. He said he wasn't aware of the double theft until he was informed by a reporter. .... After the 2003 theft, White and John Denko, secretary of the state Department of Public Safety, called for increased security and scrutiny of the site. Manning said he will investigate what changes were made at the facility, if any, after the previous burglary. .... <a href="http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local/article/0,2564,ALBQ_19858_4329285,00.html">www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_l...85,00.html</a> A DOUBLE THEFT? The Director of the State Homeland Security didn't know about the double thefts until told by a reporter? The Director?? Of Homeland Security. Give me a break.

by **GDN01** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:44 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Dixie said the missing material is not explosive until attached to a detonator, adding he hopes the person who stole it doesn't have that knowledge.<hr></blockquote> When I read this I thought - well they know now! And do you think they stole all the detonators for no reason? And why play stupid? Who would steal this stuff, know where it is, and not have a clue about how to use it? If the Homeland Security had no idea that a theft had occurred there, and yet our govt. is doing business with this company? - makes no sense! Again, if anyone should be concerned about high grade explosive getting in the "wrong hands" it should be Christopher Cherry. Something doesn't add up. Asta - is there a link to the video you mention? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gdn01>GDN01</A> at: 12/21/05 6:45 pm

by **banned** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:06 am

"Christopher created a Power Point presentation on terrorist attacks on Subway stations for the govt." Read this thread in conjunction with the one on the NY City subways.

by **firstimer** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:52 am

Wow its a great buildup story for an attack. How many lbs would it take to take out the Holland tunnel in NYC? Is there enough for all of the tunnels? They might survive a nuke blast., The Bridges might not. I can't believe I'll almost be relieved that it might just be 400lbs of C4 in NYC subways! That's how they want us to think, we're still in the buildup. Take out enough of NYC to make people move out like NO and you have another Democratic city empty of low to middle income voters, voters for 2006 and 2008. I notified my friends, including a Bldg. Engineer that survived both attacks on WTC. The word is getting out in the city to look at the subways while they are closed. Can you believe that the gates aren't even closed, and they arent guarded? I can almost hear it now, "How were we going to guard the subways whiile we had to guard the empty streets, for the firetrucks and the police, from the mad mob of commuters?" I'm reading the presentation now. BTW Why not somebody from the city? I think there is a reason for that. firstimer

by **GDN01** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:53 am

I think this is more than enough explosives to do extensive damage to the subways, if placed in key areas, and shut NYC mass transit down for a very long time. Not a good dot to connect here. And let's hope the connection is never made.

Missing Explosives from New Mexico Co. with Govt. contracts.

Missing Explosives from New Mexico Co. with Govt. contracts.

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Looking at the owner, Christopher R. Cherry

It can happen here...

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thick steel walls, my ass!

This IS crazy making!

2 + 2 =.....

alll avenues of thought should be open right now

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