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Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:45 am

I thought I was anti-American until I read this guy, he's an (intelligent) American, would you believe it (only kidding) ?<br><br><br>Seriously though, it's even worse than he's saying.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10983.htm">www.informationclearingho...e10983.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Iron Fisted America <br><br><br>By Charles Sullivan <br><br>11/14/05 "ICH " -- -- Understanding the collective American psyche is no easy task. To those living in other lands we Americans are an enigma. Indeed, we are an enigma unto ourselves. To others we appear foolish, dim-witted, cowardly and morally bankrupt. To allow the rise of a fascist regime to take power is compelling evidence for those views. Let me try to explain why. <br><br>Nothing in America is what we are told it is. Whenever the president speaks—it matters little which president we are talking about—we can be reasonably certain that they do not utter truth as we know it. During the past fifty years America has not had a socially progressive president. The Clinton presidency was under siege from day one by the power hungry ideologues fueled by Christian evangelicals. Bill Clinton certainly was no progressive, as his detractors would have us believe. At his most liberal Clinton was nothing more than Bush lite. He twice won the presidency by out righting the right. Clearly, this was no victory for progressives. No modern era American president represents the interest of the people. They represent the rich and powerful. The same is true of Congress. <br><br>Every branch of the American government is awash in corporate money in sums so vast as to boggle the mind. Little wonder that the American government does not serve the interest and needs of the people. It serves the wants of soulless corporate entities whose only concern is unbridled bottom line capitalism. <br><br>To further complicate matters, the vast majority of the media is under the control of the same corporate oligarchy that direct the government. The corporate media, as the name implies, serves the corporate interest. Little that the corporate media tells us has any relevance to truth as most of us know it. The corporate media are purveyors of lies and distortions that are used to subdue and control the public mind, often for sinister purposes. Seek alternative channels of information that flow from non corporate sources. There you will find what you need to know to be free. <br><br>Every branch of government and ninety nine percent of the media operates in the corporate interest—not in the public interest, as we all too willingly assume. America is not even close to resembling a democracy, as the national myth proclaims—it is a corporate oligarchy. It is a deeply class divided society in which the rich prey upon the poor. Here it is the poor who do the bidding of the rich. It is the poor who fight the wars for the economic gains realized by the power elite. It is the antithesis of Robin Hood. Here the rich routinely steal from the poor. They rob them senseless and call it democracy! <br><br>America is a land of contradictions. Under the edicts of unrestrained capitalism, the people serve primarily as drones and producers of capital for the wealthy. The majority of the people are mindless consumers of goods. They are automatons at the service of the unscrupulous gods of finance and material power. Their needs do not matter to those in power. They exist to cheer the captains of commerce on in their joyful work of consuming the planet. <br><br>The world knows only too well that America is a violent nation. They know, many of them first hand, that America preys upon the poor and the defenseless. The manner in which the corporate oligarchy that drives American politics treats its own down trodden is a microcosm of how it treats the rest of the world. The extermination of the indigenous people of North America by pious Anglo invaders is an atrocity that makes the Nazi liquidation of the Jews pale in comparison. America has yet to come to grips with its initial episode of genocide and ethnic cleansing that may be at the root of its pathological behavior. The annihilation of the American Indian was just the beginning of what capitalism could do. <br><br>Multinational corporations view the earth as a vast aggregation of commodities and markets to be exploited for profit. They do not regard the world’s citizens as human beings. They are sources of cheap labor and consumers, to be exploited by those in power. Ecosystems and the biological systems that promote life are summarily ignored by corporatism. <br><br>Global capitalism is a malignancy intent upon devouring the world. It seeks to commodify everything and every one. It intends to privatize the entire planet, effectively placing the world’s resources into the smooth, grasping, white hands of a few wealthy individuals. This explains the existence of the Bilderbergers, an annual gathering of the world’s wealthiest and most powerful people who meet to determine the course of global capitalism. Along with the World Bank and the IMF it sets the world’s financial and political agenda. It also represents the establishment of a world government—George Herbert Walker Bush’s ‘New World Order.’ <br><br>From cradle to grave the collective American mind is under the all pervasive assault of corporatism. This is all we have ever known; it is all most of us will ever know. It explains our combined failure to see the world in terms that can only be described as Disneyesque. Every day in America is an adventure in the implausible Land of Oz As a people we have no conception of reality. We have been carefully insulated from the pain and suffering we have inflicted and continue to inflict upon the world. Quite literally, we not know not what we do. But even more tellingly, we don’t want to know. <br><br>When we invade sovereign nations we are told that we are liberating its oppressed people from the throes of tyranny. When we enslave and torture Islamic people we are told that they are terrorists who mean us harm. In true Machiavellian terms, the ends justify the means. This also explains why we cannot come to grips through honest reckoning with the horrors of the national tragedy we call history. We have unelected leaders who lie, maim and murder and we call them Christian. Isn’t that strange? <br><br>We target nations with left wing leaders like Venezuela’s popular president Hugo Chavez and call them threats to democracy, when we ourselves have no conception of what democracy looks like. The only threat that Hugo Chavez poses to the United States is that he places the needs of the people above the profits of multinational corporations; and that is as un-American as it gets. Anti-capitalist equates to un-American in the diseased mind of corporatism. This is why the U.S. has deposed not only Chavez but Aristeed in Haiti, and a whole litany of South American pro people, pro environment, pro democracy, and pro labor leaders. That is why CIA operatives have routinely instigated coups against the hemisphere’s most popular democratically elected leaders. That is why so many of them have been assassinated by bullets paid for by our tax dollars. Countless others have been beaten, tortured, and disappeared, courtesy of U.S. tax dollars. <br><br>The corporate oligarchy loathes democracy because democracy demands the evenhanded distribution of wealth. It demands accountability. It requires justice. It seeks to know truth. No matter what pretensions we may make to the contrary, the U.S. has a long history of opposing democracy throughout the world. The undeniable proof lies hidden in our national history; a history that has been carefully thrust down the memory hole of an Orwellian nightmare we have unwittingly helped to forge through unfettered complacency. <br><br>From North Korea, Viet Nam, Guatemala, Panama, Columbia, Cuba, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, the Philippines, Cambodia, the former Soviet Union, Iran, Syria, Eastern Europe, Haiti, and Jamaica—I could go on indefinitely—America’s military might has always opposed and snuffed out fledgling democracies. Every U.S. military intervention during the past fifty years and longer acted to put down insurrections of popular movements of the people. A thoughtful examination of the evidence makes it clear that the obvious and only possible conclusion is that our military might is used not to promote liberation, democracy, and freedom. It serves as the iron fist of capitalism to smash the face of people’s movements for social justice and autonomy. U.S. militarism is the arm of corporatism that invades and plunders sovereign nations to rob them of treasure and resources. Its purpose is to open new markets to capitalism; to create pools of slave labor and a constant stream of cheap goods for American consumption. It is Wal-Mart amplified a hundred thousand times and projected across the globe. <br><br>None of this is news. We are simply witnessing the unrestrained avarice of the rich and powerful running rough shod over the principles of democracy and social justice. It is the continuation of Manifest Destiny. It is the sound of the rich and powerful preying upon the poor and the innocent. None of it is what we have been told. We must open our eyes and our minds to see it for what it really is. We must come to grips with our own sordid history and all that it has wrought. Only then we can begin to do something about the present and the future. <br><br>Charles Sullivan is a furniture maker, photographer, and free lance writer living in the eastern panhandle of West Virginia. He welcomes your comments at earthdog@highstream.net<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 11/13/05 11:50 pm<br></i>
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The key part of this is...

Postby banned » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:53 am

..."Quite literally, we not know not what we do. But even more tellingly, we don’t want to know."<br><br>That's exactly it. If we knew, we'd have to change, we'd have to rise up and throw the monsters out of our government and turn our economy around to benefit the people not the corporations, and we would have to make amends for the horrors we have inflicted on others.<br><br>Most Americans do not have the courage to do that.<br><br>If they did, they would have by now.<br><br>So shall we feel sad when the US reaps what it has sown?<br><br>I'm having one of those days when I think anyone who isn't corrupt should bail and let the fucker sink. <p></p><i></i>
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just today

Postby maggrwaggr » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:15 am

my wife and I were talking about this sort of thing. <br><br>And I realized that one thing that GWB has made me realize is exactly as the article describes.<br><br>I was talking about the myth that is America. How America has been just as diligent about creating myths about itself as it has mutating into this consumptive juggernaut that's very nearly succeeding in taking over the planet.<br><br>And how our media has always fed into the myth-making machine, whether it be westerns, audey murphy war movies, or whatever.<br><br>Right now the myth is most blantantly exemplified in the world of "Country Music". You won't see any Wal-Marts in those music videos. You see beautifuli old houses with white picket fences and big trees in front of them. You don't see any Ford Escorts, you see big old huge American battleships of cars ....<br><br>And you don't see any of those Mexicans, no trailers parks, and black people? Forget about it.<br><br>And don't even get me started on Toby Keith. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: just today

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:09 am

i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br>i will not let Ruth tell the truth about Eric<br><br><br>to banned and maggrwaggr: i'm left with the choice of being nice to your EGOS, or being nice to YOU...and i choose YOU<br><br>Eric is having a giant laugh right now at your expense. you have just bought into the lies that both he and George Bush want you to buy into. <br><br>you'll never sell your capital N crap to me, Eric. i'm through giving you any benefit of doubt and i hereby state how entirely i regret having said anything the least bit conciliatory to you, ever. it may take me awhile to catch up, but i do eventually, and your true colors are now glaringly apparent. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The key part of this is...

Postby FourthBase » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:09 am

Most Americans are cowards, but deep down they long to be brave like the American Revolutionaries in their history books, and like the Civil Rights activists they see on PBS.<br><br>We need a Thomas Paine, a Samuel Adams...<br>We need progressives who became millionaires to fund a strike.<br>We need a Re-Declaration of Independence. <p></p><i></i>
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Bravery doesn't come from the boob toob.

Postby banned » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:46 am

The problem with Americans is they think too much about teevee and movies and know too little about the way the world actually works.<br><br>Being brave means risking your property, your home, your loved ones, your freedom and your life. <br><br>One learns courage by doing things one is afraid of, not by watching sentimental dramas and wishing for the Wizard of Oz to come along and give out medals for bravery.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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honestly

Postby Homeless Halo » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:06 am

I truly think most Americans realize there is a problem.<br><br>I think that is the problem, more than anything. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: honestly

Postby proldic » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:20 am

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re: Just Today ...

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:16 pm

AnnaL:<br><br>I don't see anything about Banned' or Maggrwaggr's egos in their comment on the subject of the full-on Corporatism that has subverted and derailed America's democracy. I substantially agree with the article, and don't see where it's even controversial to anyone who has honestly and rigorously reviewed the history of America's Foreign Policy of military, economic and political interference around the world. I sure don't see this apparant worldview disagreement as seeing the glass either half-full or half-empty -- It's a 'question' of seeing the world as it really is -- which in this case involves debunking the popular myth of America's noble principles in bringing 'democracy' to the people's of the world. IMHO, it's an incredibly sophisticated propaganda Psyops that feeds America's ego re: being Brave and Generous and Noble, etc., instead of promoting the global capitalist agenda of immensely powerful corporations -- As I see it, there's nothing courageous or valiant about America's vicious, violent and exploitive Foreign Policy. America's 'progress' in developing institutions for social justice and human rights even here at 'home' have, at the most, been compromises and concessions wrested from the PTB Plutocracy through the intercession of Political Operative intermediaries. If I *get* your POV, you apparently believe our political institutions and its players, for the most part, have always worked for the mass public's greatest good -- and basically succeeded in promoting liberal and progressive ideals.<br><br>I guess what really puzzles me is why, or how, a difference of opinion on this issue would cause you to criticize Banned's and Maggrwaggr's egos -- unless this take extends from "other' subject-thread-comment interactions that I'm not aware of.<br><br>But if not -- What does one's ego have to do with being critical of the immense hypocrisy and dishonesty in the myth of America as a champion of Democracy and freedom? Do you really question this, or am I missing something? (I haven't had the time to read every thread or comment, and so I'm not as *up* on this board as I once was -- so it's very possible I'm unaware of an ongoing discussion/disagreement/dynamic.)<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Huh?

Postby Pants Elk » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:30 pm

Starman, what you said. And what *he* said. But not what AnnaLivia said, which seems to have floated in from some thread of her own, and makes the Voynich Manuscript read like a milk carton in comparison. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Typical of the New Left

Postby proldic » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:38 pm

Starman I've been reading you from the get-go. Despite your voluminous dense run-on passion, you are a blind as a billy goat.<br><br>And I doubt you will ever wake up in time.<br><br>Fact is, ALP's "red state" common-sense trumps your neo-liberal intellectual masturbation anyday of the week, at least when it comes to the core of what we are facing as a society.<br><br>At least where it counts.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re:

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:39 pm

Here’s a clue I have: There is no more painful, cruel, slow, lingering, tortuous death than death by starvation. What I (constantly try to) fail to have is selective perspective.<br><br>Here’s another clue I have: I do not, by myself, have the power to stop the perpetrators from doing their evil. That requires numbers, a majority. I fail to believe I can educate and empower people with a lash. I can certainly state that winning wars does not happen by accident. It takes strategy and tactics to win a war, and not to avail oneself of these tools is not smart. I do not take plastic cutlery to a knife fight. I am, unabashedly and unashamedly, at all-out war with Nazis and all racism, with people who prey on children, and with the very idea of having wealthpower giants. To these groups I give no quarter, no ground whatsoever. <br><br>I DO have the power to REFUSE to carry their guilt for the guilty perps. By volunteering to carry their guilt for them, I would be enabling them, and I will NEVER do that. I will never voluntarily release them from one iota of their responsibility for committing crimes against humanity.<br><br>Yes, HH, it’s been far too long since I sent my last no-punches-pulled letter to both of my senators and my representative, copied to my state’s largest newspaper as a letter to the editor. It was the day before yesterday, to be exact.<br><br>Starman, I attempted to highlight a very large and important truth: that our egos ARE NOT US. Did I not know my comments could sting an ego? Ah, it appears I did. Being unable to always escape my own, it was easy to know. Did I want to sting the real person? Obviously not, or I wouldn’t have said what I said.<br><br>Yes, this is like many threads where I find myself arguing the same point about how hurtful it is to blame the victims, how sad I find it that we can’t even take step one, which is to focus the blame where it belongs. It just beats the hell out of me why people are willing to assume blame for what they so oppose.<br><br>Remind me where that will get us? Because I am in this for RESULTS.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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AnnaLivia, I love you

Postby starroute » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:15 pm

I was reading along in eric's post, feeling all sorts of negative emotions and incipient "Yes, but" objections but not quite being able to sort it out and just feeling oppressed by the whole thing. And then your post came along like a dash of cold water in the face, and I smiled for the first time this morning.<br><br>Listen all:<br><br>The problem is that the American myth is real, it is a myth of great promise, but it is being trashed by the very people who claim to defend it. That is what we have to fight against.<br><br>Anyone who says that the American myth was never real, that it has been nothing but exploitation and naked aggression all the way down, is not our friend. Whoever says that is promoting the same dog-eat-dog worldview as the virulent capitalists and leaving us with no alternative to turn to.<br><br>There was a lot of that sort of extreme cynicism around in the 60's, and it was one of the main causes of the downfall of the counterculture. (I dunno, maybe it was all Cointelpro even then . . .) We can't afford to fall into that trap again.<br><br>There's a scene in C.S. Lewis's "The Silver Chair" that impressed me a lot as a kid. The protagonists are deep underground and have fallen into the clutches of an evil witch who is trying to convince them that the underground world is all there is, that their memories of blue sky and sunshine are illusions, that they're fighting for nothing. And most of them are drifting off into a hypnotic state where everything she says seems right and reasonable -- until one of them sticks his foot in the fire and wakes himself up sufficiently to declare that even if sunlight is a lie, he prefers that lie to the reality of her eternal darkness. With that, the spell is broken on all of them.<br><br>Like so much else in Lewis, this little parable is far more Gnostic than it is Christianoid. The lesson I take from it is that the present world can be a very dark place, but that those who insist that darkness is all that exists are trying to make you the prisoner of the rulers of the world. Continuing to believe in light and liberty and higher possibility can be very difficult when those things are being snuffed out all around you -- but it is also essential if you are ever to escape from your jailers.<br><br>And that -- though restated in far too many words -- is what AnnaLivia was trying to say to those with ears to hear. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 11/14/05 10:17 am<br></i>
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Re: AnnaLivia, I love you

Postby Pants Elk » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:28 pm

Oh. *That's* what she was trying to say?<br><br>What she said. Or what you said she said. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: AnnaLivia, I love you

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:35 pm

No one is saying that darkness is all that exists, only in the highest political echelons.<br><br>The American myth is a lie, that's why the USA has always beeen a more right wing, barbaric, exploitative, slave ridden place than Britain since its very first day.<br><br>US Presidents who owned slaves : George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant.<br><br>"Of the 55 Constitutional Convention delegates, 25 owned slaves."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://hnn.us/articles/1601.html">hnn.us/articles/1601.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>British prime ministers who owned slaves - none I am aware of <br><br>I forgot to mention the genocide of the natives and the slaughter carried out by American miltary intelligence on people round the globe since 1942. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 11/14/05 10:40 am<br></i>
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