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Postby Sepka » Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:44 am

It's not so much that I don't "get" the parapolitics, or disbelieve in it, as that I consider it to be background noise. It's flashy and showy, but in the end really signifies nothing more than business as usual. If someone could point to a time or a place where the ruling class really had the best interests of the ruled at heart, where politics was open and honest, and where public officials thought first of those they served, I might reconsider. <br><br>The rich and powerful have always acted in ways calculated to preserve their power and riches. There's nothing new or novel to that, and there should be nothing especially surprising about that. Most importantly, it's not a conspiracy. It's the simple result of human nature. People with riches and power act to preserve them. Hunting endlessly for the lynchpin of the Grand Conspiracy gets you nowhere, because there isn't a Grand Conspiracy. There never was. All there is is a cabal of rich people with common interests, most of whom are completely ruthless and amoral, and all of whom are dedicated to preserving their station in life. <br><br>Most importantly, the ruling class evolves inevitably into the form that it shows because of the pressures put upon it by the ruled. The people in power didn't get there by performing some trick or magickal operation - they got there because they understood the nature of power, and because they understood that no-one, King, President, Comrade or Fuehrer, can rule without conforming to the expectations of those he rules. Part of those expectations involve helping to maintain the people's illusions and myths about themselves and their society. A people get not just the government that they deserve, but the one that they want, consciously or not. <br><br>In the end, the study of parapolitics is simply the study of politics. I can't work myself into a froth because my rulers say one thing but do another. It has been that way since time immemorial, and there's little to no prospect of a change. I strongly doubt that I or most people would be happy or comfortable in a world that ran differently. If the current stratum of rulers were swept away, the ones who replaced them would turn out the same. We all like to talk about idealism, but we're not idealistic creatures. Each of us, with rare exceptions, is most interested in ourselves.<br><br>In short, politics and parapolitics are no more than bread and circusses, to placate the masses. <br><br>Now UFOs and the Fair People, on the other paw... Something very interesting is happening there, and has been since 1947 or so. Such encounters were common in ancient times, then slowly died away until they were almost unknown for the previous few centuries, recalled only in stories thought fit for fools and toddlers. Now, suddenly, they're back again, and with a vengeance. <br><br>Why? What changed? I haven't the first clue, and I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe Parsons' Bablon Working had something to do with it. Maybe the government did something ill-advised. Maybe it was just time. Maybe it was none of those, and I'd not recognize the answer if it hit me over the head.<br><br>Regardless... A change has occurred there. Things are not as they were. Something has happened. Study may well turn up clues as to what it was. Politics and parapolitics, though, rumble timelessly along, imperturbable in their course. The outer forms change, the Important Cause is occasionally swapped out for a new one when it grows stale and loses its power to motivate, but by and large things remain as they were.<br><br>In the end, my attention is caught more by an unexplained phenomenon than by a stage play.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sepka>Sepka</A> at: 2/25/06 6:54 am<br></i>
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Historical UFOs

Postby professorpan » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:30 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Now UFOs and the Fair People, on the other paw... Something very interesting is happening there, and has been since 1947 or so. Such encounters were common in ancient times, then slowly died away until they were almost unknown for the previous few centuries, recalled only in stories thought fit for fools and toddlers. Now, suddenly, they're back again, and with a vengeance. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't believe that is true. There has been a consistent thread of mythology and folklore about contact with anomalous beings throughout recorded history, as well as sightings of strange machines and lights in the skies.<br><br>And it's difficult to examine stories with ancient times with any kind of objectivity. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Historical UFOs

Postby starroute » Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:21 pm

I don't believe it either. I think that what happened c. 1947 was a result of the special conditions of the immediate postwar years -- actual advanced tech, rumors of super-tech, plus lots of people hoping for aliens to show up and pull us out of the self-destructive loops we'd gotten ourselves tangled in. (Just read the SF of the period for examples.)<br><br>People see strange things all the time, but mostly they're reluctant to talk about them in public. It takes a certain favorable climate of opinion to bring them out in the open.<br><br>And as for the politics -- I also don't agree that what's going on today is the same as it ever was. It isn't the first time that things have been like this -- the 1500's and 1600's were incredibly heavy on plots and intrigues (not to mention witch-hunts and other high weirdness.) But the 1800's and early 1900's were relatively transparent -- meaning the bosses might collude together, or corrupt mayors be bought off by the mob, but there wasn't the massive elaboration of conspiracy and false front operations we see today.<br><br>It may be that the climate of official secrecy since World War II has helped promote this. It may be that the decline in US dominance since the 70's has caused the ruling classes to adopt wholesale the methods of the CIA and apply them here at home. But one way or another, things have gotten increasingly secretive, covert, fraudulent, and conspiratorial.<br><br>And it's also possible that the parapolitics and the paranormal really do go together. In "objective" eras, when people believe they are answerable to an outside reality, they tend to keep both their politics and their general belief systems as simple and daylit as possible. In "subjective" times, people are more willing both to believe in weird happenings and also to to create their own forms of weirdness. <br><br>We're currently living in a heavily subjective, deconstructionist era, where the fundamentalists are as ready as the lit majors to believe that there is no objective truth but only individual belief. Where government officials can pride themselves on creating their own reality -- which then trumps natural reality. Under those conditions, subjectivity rules and objectivity gets very short shrift.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Historical UFOs

Postby Dreams End » Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:34 pm

Starroute,<br><br>Umm...<br><br>Wow.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Historical UFOs

Postby robertdreed » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:28 pm

yeah, bravo. Especially on that last part.<br><br>The rise of the role of political conspiracy in the USA parallels the explosion in all sorts of other arenas of social evolution, from technology to globalism to the increase in the sheer might and wealth of the most powerful political entities, both governmental and otherwise. Political, deep-political, and parapolitical, as Peter Dale Scott would have it...<br><br>It isn't entirely true that government was transparent in the USA until the post-WW2 era. It's possible to find wide-ranging, large-impact, high-level financial and political conspiracies in the USA at least as far back as the days of the rise of J. P. Morgan and the Du Ponts. But there was only so much skullduggery they could rig up in the old days. Modernity expanded the possibilities. And once the USA began to roll high on the world stage after WW2, things <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>really</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> got out of hand. ( Although most Americans still haven't picked up on this. ) Not because of some uniquely vile and malevolent nature of the USA as a nation- this isn't a blame-America-first rant- but simply as a function of the fact that it was the most powerful country on earth, intoxicated with its own new-found sense of power, and easily seduced into corruption. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 2/25/06 2:48 pm<br></i>
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Re: Historical UFOs

Postby NewKid » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:42 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We're currently living in a heavily subjective, deconstructionist era, where the fundamentalists are as ready as the lit majors to believe that there is no objective truth but only individual belief. Where government officials can pride themselves on creating their own reality -- which then trumps natural reality. Under those conditions, subjectivity rules and objectivity gets very short shrift.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>If you had to pick one theme to describe the current times, that's it -- the deregulation of reality. <br><br>That Suskind quote needs to be put in a time capsule. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Historical UFOs

Postby robertdreed » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:47 pm

Yeah, along with starroute's succinct explanatory paragraph. <p></p><i></i>
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Bravo

Postby Qutb » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:16 pm

Starroute, do you have a blog? Your comments on the RI blog and here on the board are always very interesting and well written.<br><br>(BTW, Dreams End, any update to yours in the works? I liked where it was going) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bravo

Postby Gouda » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:18 pm

Sepka wrote: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It's not so much that I don't "get" the parapolitics, or disbelieve in it, as that I consider it to be background noise. It's flashy and showy, but in the end really signifies nothing more than business as usual…<br><br>In the end, the study of parapolitics is simply the study of politics.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>To us it is. But to the establishment, politics is the study of politics. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Deep politics</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> (or ‘political conspiracy’ - politics by another means) is not quite yet mainsteam. Then you’ve got your <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Parapolitics</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, which as PDS defines it, is a subset of Deep Politics. Flashy maybe, yet disturbing if you are paying attention. Hogwash to an establishment which either represses or hides its complicity in being itself. Parapolitics touches the touchier stuff and “describes at best only an intervening layer of the irrationality under our political culture's rational surface,” as PDS sez. All of this is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Dietrologia</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> which, as I have seen it defined, is the “critical analysis of events in an effort to detect, behind the apparent causes, true and hidden designs.” Highbrow conspiracy theory. Here is the nexus where your Parapolitics meets with the Paranormal. As Starroute said, “it's also possible that the parapolitics and the paranormal really do go together.” I think it does at that. Politics as weirdness by another means. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bravo

Postby Gouda » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:07 am

Alex Constantine, parapolitical researcher extraordinaire, remarked: “Fascism is inherently conspiratorial, and the study of it is often maligned as ‘conspiracy theory.’ ’’ Maybe this is what makes some uncomfortable, or unenthused with parapolitics and political conspiracy. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/27/06 6:17 am<br></i>
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Re: Bravo

Postby Sepka » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:23 pm

No offense, Gouda, but it's interesting to see someone use an argument from authority to make a claim about the nature of fascism. Was that done deliberately?<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bravo

Postby Gouda » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:46 pm

Sepka, not sure what you mean. "Argument from authority"? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/27/06 11:58 am<br></i>
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Re: Bravo

Postby Sepka » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:31 pm

Argument from authority is when one asserts that an opinion has weight solely because an authority stated that opinion. In this case, the idea that fascism is inherently conspiratorial is presented as true because Alex Constantine said so, without other supporting evidence. It's by no means an invalid form of argument, but it just struck me as humourous to use it in an argument about fascism. <br><br>Like I said, no offense was intended. I just basically have a weird sense of humour, and should be ignored sometimes <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Starroute

Postby Col Quisp » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:11 pm

I'll join in the chorus of those singing your praises! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bravo

Postby Gouda » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:23 pm

Copy that. <br><br>Heck, I have also been known to quote myself. <br> <br>Narrowly put, I consider anyone I learn something from a sort of authority - or better put: a guide. There is more to establishing authority than that of course - and you may learn nothing from him, or you may not find him compelling for whatever reason. But I think Mr. Constantine's pretty good in there - he's earned his stripes vis-a-vis outing deep fascist structures - and I would say, it is almost boring, not flashy at all:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.freewebtown.com/alexconstantine/classic/home.html">www.freewebtown.com/alexc.../home.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Now by this logic, someone can up and deem Makow an authority. Fine. There certainly are different authorities on different subjects. <p></p><i></i>
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