WWIII another fake on the masses

by **Trifecta** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:16 pm

Putin Calls Russia Defender of Islamic World <a href="http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/12/muslimfriend.shtml">www.mosnews.com/news/2005...iend.shtml</a> Zionists pressurizes Bush Administration to attack Iran's nuclear <a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3916">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...sp?ID=3916</a> And the prophet said.... there will be an eclipse of the sun in the middle of the month of Ramadan; there will be an eclipse of the moon at the end of that month in contrast to ordinary happenings and the burnign bush

by **dbeach** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:38 pm

bible prophecy is more a warning than an actual future event destined to happen.. the warning is to change..not be greedy .. love thy neighbor.. all the good stuff that JC and many Prophets have warned about for yrs. It seems to be that the elites are using the bible as part of control and may actually engineer a WW III or alien invasion scenario to gain more advantage.. 2012 looks like their insidious agenda will be attempted and possibly revealed...as many natural and ancient events may coincide

by **ivanbo2003** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:28 pm

This is all from my(Christian perspective) Bible prophecy,ecpecially Revelation(The Apocalypse of John) is a warning BUT also IS a look in the future,to the things that WILL happen(whether someone wants to create whatever..war ,ET invasion;it is irrelevant in the end line).It is the way how God warns ppl(He warned always through prophets,and He of course ment business...).Through prophets Christ was announced,he DID came.Christ alone told us what is going to happen(escpecially visions He revealed to John) before His second coming So goverment may use Bible to "direct" the masses into certain events(WW3 ,"alien" invasion,mind control,RFID chips),but it is irrelevant(for believer in Christ).These things will eventually happen whether someone powerfull thinks he alone "done it"(well we humans are going to do all these things) and not because it was a Divine Will For 2012 year..Well many are sceptics(me too) but that could be the year for "revealing" our false progenitors(and I dont mean apes of course,but much more sinister ones).Whether it will be "staged" event or a real thing with ships and stuff,it will be a shocker indeed(if it actually take place...).Maybe it will be a hologram illussion with two or three advanced milit. airplanes?Again irrelevant if u consider end result(demons being smashed like potatoes with Lord hand) As for Iranian president...He is seriously deranged person whos place is in mental hospital... He said that "holocaust is just a myth and didn't actually happen at all,Israel should be wiped off the earth..."... And this guy is probably ,as we speak ,producing(with Russia's help ..) nuclear material(maybe even weapon).Don't get me wrong,i'am not some bush-crazie.I dont propagate that "someone" should "do" something about him (like "someone" did with Saddam),but ,that we all should be prepared for that MANIAC and his wicked idea of middle east.Of course another crazie,Bush(thanks to his "voice" in his head-yeah sure) will act swiftly...Taking us all to the next level of "international relations" Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=ivanbo2003>ivanbo2003</A> at: 12/14/05 6:38 pm

by **Floyd Smoots** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:06 pm

Dear brother in arms, (Arms of Yeshua), I agree with most of your thinking and possible final scenarios, but..... Just because, like you, I believe Muslims to be among the lost, I really, Really, REALLY do not believe that Iran is anywhere near the threat that our Satan-worshiping "master race" is trying to convince us of. It's about keeping these "Untied" States in a state of perpetual war, until our whole country is forced by the IMF, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization to declare "bankruptcy" so that the globalist cabal can call in their markers and make us all jobless, homeless, hopeless "wards" of the coming Superstate, i.e., the New World Order. Like yourself, I do not live in the daily fear that they purvey, because I read the end of the Book too, and it says "we win". Yes, in the end, I also believe that God Almighty will save out of the real Israel, a remnant, who will love and serve him along with Christians (real ones, NOT the Zionist, Neocon, Satan-Serving Liars) for all eternity. However, and I say this in love, your bad grammar, poor typing skills (even worse than mine), clumsy syntax, etc., are giving us a poor look, and a bad reputation out here in the "marketplace of ideas", which is where Saint Paul said we should be, every day, day-by-day, contending for the Faith, which we profess to hold so dear to our hearts. I hope I'm not "mote plucking" here, because I KNOW that I have a couple of eyefuls of "large beams" myself. But, you know what? If God is moving you to post here, along with myself, and a very small cadre of "Fundies", then, Post On, Brother, Post On!!!!!!!

by **scollon** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:14 pm

"Yes, in the end, I also believe that God Almighty will save out of the real Israel, a remnant, who will love and serve him along with Christians " Translation, :- The Jews (apart from a handful) are heading for hell fire and eternal damnation. That's Chrstian Zionism for you. With friends like these, who needs Nazis ?

by **Floyd Smoots** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:07 am

I am definitely NOT a Zionist!! I do not agree politically, humanly, or spiritually with the way in which the "Faux Jews" took control of the area known to many of us, as the Holy Land. I ABHOR the property theft, imprisonment in so-called "refugee camps", and MURDER of the people who were, and are, living in Palestine from my birth year, 1948 through the nanosecond of this post. There is NO justification for THAT, anywhere, anytime! I DO believe that the usurper government of today's Israel is just as selfish, evil, and murderous as our own government here in these Untied States. (I'm not even going to put quotation marks around my spelling of this "kuntry's naime" enymore. Ef de reeders heer don' git it, 'n' thank I reelie kan't spel, than, sew bee itt.) I, as a Bible-believing Christian, NOT a War-Loving-Murdering-Liar, HATE it when anyone has to die, whether from abortion, accident, execution, murder, suicide, or old age! I do belive the Bible, and here is a quote from it that, I believe explains the establishment of the current, illegal, unlawfully birthed state of Israel. "You meant it for evil, but the Lord used it for good, and for His glory." Notice, that, unlike the "Faux Fundies", I don't include chapter and verse. That's because, even though I know I've read it, I don't generally memorize the book, chapter, or verse wherein I read it. Fortunately, in this day of the "net", or "web" if you prefer (both meaning traps or snares), you, if you really have the proper clearance, and, the need-to-know, can go to any site which allows a site search of the King James' Version, and type in the words "You meant it for evil", and, sure enough, you will not only be given the chapter and verse, you will be sent to a page that allows you to read the preceeding and the following verses so that you can read the statement in its actual context, and, "rigorously intuit" the actual meaning of the quote, and how it "may" relate to your own life situation. No matter how most of today's Jews got to Israel, I believe that God is going to let "the survivors" keep it. Consider this for a moment, if you also agree that "they" stole the land in 1948. In Revelation, Jesus tells Saint John, in Jesus' own words WHY most of the occupants of end-times Israel are going to die. It's because they bought into the lies of the coming "World Leader", worshipped him as GOD, and gave him the honor and glory that God Almighty reserved for himself alone. Do I gleefully WANT them to die and go to hell? HELL, NO!! But I'm not in charge. And, just FYI, the ones identified in this last 'book' as the actual assaulters and mass murderers of the largest portion of the Israelites, are our old friends/enemies(?) the Russians, the Muslims, the Chinese, and (OH DURN), the armies of the NWO World Government. NOT real Christians! I am not God, but, if it makes you feel any better from a true, loving, human perspective, if I were, I wouldn't send anyone to hell forever, either. BUT, 'i am' not the one who identifies himself in the Bible as I AM!!! In the Christian worldview, it's God's game, God's rules, and, He is the final, and only referee. Because I believe in the Bible, I do not find brother ivanbo2003's scenarios to be that inaccurate. Here, at Rigorous Intuition, we are ALL trying to find the answer to "Life, the Universe, and Everything". Yes, I also, mourned the recent passing of the late Douglas Adams. (Anyone remember him?) However, some of us believe the answer is found in "Dat Ol' Time Religion", NOT, NOT, NOT, in ANY WAY, to hatefully disparage our human brothers and sisters who disagree with said view. That said, scollon, thanks for branding me as a Zionist/Nazi. Anyone who has done ANY real research on the touched-upon subjects of this thread already knows that they are one, and the same. Unfortunately for you, and people who believe as you do, I am far too old to take ANY personal offense at your remarks. Remember, ALL of us here at R.I. profess to believe in our Constitutional, God-given-right to "Freedom of Speech". As Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it!" Learn just a little from your elders, "Attack the Argument, NOT the Person". And, whatever you post after this, here, or on other threads, at least be Man/Woman/Person enough to admit that You implied that I, personally, am I Zionist and, most probably a Nazi. I really don't care about personal electronic abuse, but now, you're making me sound like "slimmouse", whose posts I'm intrigued to read, but, who also seems to have a very thin external integument. Prosper, Live, & Learn Alexander F. Mutter (See? I jist ain't dat skeered uv 'em!!)

by **scollon** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:45 am

I did not mean to imply you were a nazi but you have just laid out the Christian Zionist creed wrt to revelation and the fate of non believing Jews. The fact that certain people have sponsored a bizarre nineteenth century interpretation (Darbyism) of Revelation and spread it across the masses of America doesn't make it true or even have any relationship to what is written in the book. In other words, much of American Christianity is a psyop (in my opinion) to get the uneducated masses voting for criminal scum like Bush and supporting their greatest enemy, the Jews. It's amazing they embraced Mel Gibson's (pornographic and ant-semitic) film and Zionism at the same time until you realise the Jews go to hell in their scenario.

by **dbeach** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:27 am

I think the prophets are warnings . How does anybody know for sure IF the True followers of God and Jesus Christ wrote the Bible..?? He gonna show up..When?? 2012 ??how about 2027??? 2144 numbers are easily manipulated as is words in the Bible. seems to me Christ will offer salvation to all and not just Christians..The current world leaders like bush ..bliar are hardly christians at all and in my opinion are satan worshippers/or lucifer worshippers.. The so called evangelical christians ,whom helped bush get in power, are worshipping bush and the gods of war and treachery and are really fascists and supporting an doomed empire ... <a href="http://www.bibletime.com/home/faq/notknown/">www.bibletime.com/home/faq/notknown/</a> "Not even Jesus knows Jesus told his disciples that noboby but the father knows the date of Jesus' return. This is a problem since Jesus is God. Jesus limited himself to a human form while here 2000 years ago. He was one with the father, and still is, and knowledge was not withheld. The problem was one of significant time distance from the question and the structure of the answer based on a specific sign. This article explores. Background Many discredit the study of time from the Bible since they think not even Jesus understands the chronology of the Bible. This, like other objections, is absurd. Orthodox Christian belief is that Jesus himself is God. If he really was denying knowledge of the Father's plan then he would not be God. He meant something else. The following is the offending passage: KJV NC-KJV ASV RSV WEB WEB-HN Matthew 24:30-50 30and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; 33even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. 37And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. 38For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man. 40Then shall two man be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: 41two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left. 42Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh. 43But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken through. 44Therefore be ye also ready; for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath set over his household, to give them their food in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47Verily I say unto you, that he will set him over all that he hath. 48But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord tarrieth; 49and shall begin to beat his fellow-servants, and shall eat and drink with the drunken; 50the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, What Jesus meant Remember that when this was written it was one long series of upper case Greek letters. No such things as sentence breaks, punctuation or even spaces between words. The offending verse is 36, where Jesus says that only the Father knows the time of his return. Is this what the entire passage means? Lets check the context and see what was near in that long unbroken stream of upper case Greek letters. Like the Time of Noah In verse 37 Jesus likens this time to the time of Noah. When the Bible links to another story as here we are expected to know the referenced story. We are to read and know all the details about that other story as we consider the added detail that we are being given. Jesus used this story to answer the disciple's question. Jesus was teaching this: His return will be chronologically like Noah's flood. Though many were eating and drinking, and generally not paying attention to God and his plan, there were those who understood exactly what God was up to. God did not keep the impending destruction on the entire world a total secret. Who knew about Noah's flood? Anyone who knew the Ark was being built. This included those building it, and anyone who saw it before the rains came. Noah knew as well as his wife, sons, and their wives. 8 in all. If they hired anyone to help build the Ark, then they too knew about the flood. If anyone saw the ark under construction then these witnesses also knew that the end was near. Noah's end of the world was not a total secret. Those who were connected to God, and could hear his word, directly, like Noah, or indirectly, like his family, did know ahead of time. 1 How early did Noah know? Noah knew a flood was coming the moment he was told to build an ark. We are not told when this was. Off Bible, Rabbinic tradition say it was 120 years. The project, we presume, was scheduled by God himself, because the ark was finished when God told Noah a new thing: In 7 days the flood would come, load up. At this point Noah and his family knew quite specifically that the flood was coming. They knew the exact date. When Jesus says that he does not know the date of his return, and likens it to Noah's flood, he is teaching that it will work the same way at the time of his return. Until we are close, like the last century or so, it will be unknown. No one can know. Even Jesus did not know. But, like Noah, it will become known through a sign. A sign to all who are directly involved in the construction, and to those who see the construction. In Noah's day the sign was Noah's Ark. What is that sign in our day? What Sign did Jesus Give? Answering the critics does not logically require that we answer what the sign will be, only that like Noah and his Ark, there will be a sign. God will not remain silent, if he did he'd risk blood guilt. At verse 32 in Matthew's story Jesus tells his audience just what the "sign" of this event is going to be. At the end of the age, before the return of Jesus, the sign will be the "fig tree". This is simply called the "fig tree sign." What was that sign? Earlier in Matthew, we are told that Jesus cursed a fig tree and said that it, the ancient Jewish religious system, would no longer bear fruit for God. The end-times sign that Jesus is about to return, with the same sort of duration as Noah's Ark project, is the "Fig Tree" people, the Jews, returning to their homeland. This has now already happened. We are at the time of Jesus' return and have been for over 50 years. How long from the Sign to the Return How long from the sign to Jesus' return? Verse 34 gives the answer. "This generation," the generation seeing the return to Israel of the Jews, will not entirely pass away before all the things dealing with the end of the age are complete. These things most certainly include Jesus' return, but also includes every other end times promise, including such things as the resurrection, the departure from earth, and any other story we can authenticate as being part of the end-times. When, exactly, should we start measuring Jewish time? There are two possible starting dates for measuring this generation. 1948 with the return of the Jews to Palestine is the first candidate. The retaking of the Old City of Jerusalem in 1967 is the other. Without further information we cannot tell which Jesus is indicating here. The last generation will last for some number of years, a length of time given elsewhere in the Bible. Three lengths are possible, 70, 80 or 120 years from the indicated date. Again, without further information we cannot know which is implied. I don't list 40 years since this is never given as a length of a generation. It is the number of years needed to kill off a generation, like at the Exodus, but not the total number of years that a generation may live. I don't want to answer the specific years here, that is not my point. The point is that Jesus is teaching that his return will have a sign, the "fig tree" sign. Once seen, a specific number of years from that sign will pass and all things planned for the end of the age at his return will then pass. So why did He say he did not know? From God the Father's perspective time passes slowly. 1000 years are as a day with God the Father. Only from this perspective should we think this period in history will pass in one day. Jesus' point was this: No man, nor anyone measuring time from man's perspective, should think that this period is 1 day long. Jesus' isn't just going to show up one day. This period is much, much longer. Day-for-a-year repetition says this period is about 13,000 days long and that interval only covers the prelude. At least another 20 years of prophetic history exist in the pages of the Bible. No man knows the day or hour since men don't measure this period in history as one day. Lot Interestingly, Luke places this section far from the end of the signs of the end of the age, and Luke includes the account of Lot as being a parallel account to the account of Noah. There are many parallels between these accounts backed up with collateral scripture which says these men were patterns for us, and warnings. Both Noah and Lot become Alcoholics over the destruction which they witness in their lives. Both are warned of the impending disaster. Both bring family along, to escape the disaster. Both end up on mountains. Both end up with some sort of sexual sin involving family members. Both are recorded in the list of saints in Hebrews 11. The timing of the disaster is coupled to their own actions, actions which involve following direct, divine, orders. Those around both Noah and Lot receive warning too of the impending disaster. They do not listen. All of these, and probably more, are relevant to understanding the end of the age. Everyone who survives the catastrophic events that accompany this period in human history must watch to avoid this list of problems. Heed warnings, don't get drunk, stay clear of sexual sin and keep your eyes on the promises of God. The Holy Spirit appears to have charged his angels with sorting and moving and rearranging people to be ready for much of what is about to happen. Many have been given warnings and have not heeded them. Others will be getting warnings right at the last minute. Still others will long for the old life, and like Lot's wife, look back and die for it. Like so many other passages usually used to say the dates cannot be known, we find that here, like the others, that the Holy Spirit has provided clues right in the very text used to say we cannot know the time of his return with clues as to when he will return. Providing concrete answers in a passage generally discredited is so much like our normal walks with Jesus I can't stand it. People with hard hearts, that idolize Christian leaders instead of Jesus, get caught up thinking the times and dates are not knowable. The Bible teaches that they are knowable. We are watching the events surrounding the return of Jesus unfold every few weeks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1My understanding of God suggest he always warns before He judges. Though we are not told directly, this principle suggests every living soul on earth before Noah's Flood knew about Noah's Ark. "

by **Reikimg** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:01 am

i'm sorry but i thought dinosaurs were enough to debunk your bible crap.As a bhuddist can i say, can you zealots please quit buzz-killing the rest of our high? And Fred, I do hope my symantecs meet with your discerning approval.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

by **Trifecta** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:40 am

Before we can even contemplate the maya (illusions) of 2012 ...just make sure you have a laser pointer when the holograms are convincing everyone to A) take the mark of the beast B) slash their wrists C) both. Another war is going to kick off in 2006. Fact. More disaters are going to happen in 2006. Fact The dark hearts are now clearly seen Fact We can see them and that is why these are the most dangerous times, we need not the bible, koran, talmud whatever to show us this, we need not build an ark in preparation, for we the people are the ark. Deep down every one us is responsible for this Christian, Jew, Buddhist et al. And once again and no appology for repeating myself like a stuck record it is as simple as all of us collectively stopping all over the world. No leaders needed, no movement, no nothing. This is the Tao <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **Trifecta** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:52 am

I am just an ordinary bloke, I go to work, from 7.30 til about six. Sometimes I squeeze some time in to read what is happening behind the corpocracies spin, the internet has aided it with the worlds largest library at my fingers tips, I am indeed all powerful within my field of influence. I have spoken my truth on forums across the net and always try to wake the shepple up. I am uneducated, dyslexic and permantly skint (broke) three kids, disaterous marriage blah de blah. I am no-body. That said, I get psychotronic harrasement, I get remote viewed, they try to kill me in my sleep and fuck with me in numerous way for the last few years since I discovered chemtrials and then pandoras box opened up. The point is why bother targetting little ole me, and as that means the psychotronic echelonic warfare of the military industrial complex, controlled by the minions of the illuminati, the vril, the avonites, all stemming out of mesopatamia, with secret signs in full view of the public. And that is the point, I am a target, so why not every person of power across the globe. By ALL stopping we will see the real power of this electromagnetic weaponry, if it kills us, we are going to die anyway .... if it don't (it won't) and maybe we can have the world we deserve once we stand up for our personal responsibilities as a collective race of humans/aliens/plasmic mush? So, lets just stop.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=" >D">

by **ivanbo2003** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:54 am

@Floyd Smoots Sorry for my bad grammar/typing skills etc.(spell check doesn't work for some reason with my firefox browser,maybe it's javascript problem?). I wasn't born in english-speaking country so i guess i am learning every day.I think that I was pretty clear about my views(sorry for any obscurity in previous post). We do have VERY similar views,so I am glad I didn't get flamed as a result of my views <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> .Grammar errors I can correct,but views are formed in time(rock solid). I wasn't that aware of Bible prophecy 5-6 years ago,but then I suddenly started to read like crazy,and after some time come to conclusion that Bible is absolutely true. There are things(from time to time) that test my faith,but my faith in God is even geting stronger! @dbeach Excellent explanation ,very nice! I had read the linked site before (or similar one) and it gives excellent clarification on particular passages in The Bible(I also believe that we live in the end times-no matter how long will it take for one generation to pass away) PS Is my grammar/synt./typing really that bad? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> And I tought I was actually getting better from this online chating/bloging <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **Reikimg** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:41 am

Just for kicks why don't you google millerrites?

by **ivanbo2003** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:34 am

Miller was wrong of course,he tried to calculate exact timing of Judgement, which(as previously stated by dbeach) God alone knows. We should live normal and moral lives and not be concerned with actual timing(not selling our houses and similar nonsense) One thing is for certain..We do live in a very very wicked times

by **dbeach** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:32 pm

"i'm sorry but i thought dinosaurs were enough to debunk your bible crap.As a bhuddist can i say, can you zealots please quit buzz-killing the rest of our high? And Fred, I do hope my symantecs meet with your discerning " This is an open forum..say what ya want .. however silencing others by name calling is exactly a control tactic... So maybe lighten up a bit quit what ??given guesses' .. slants ...spins I respect most faiths epsecially Zen and Buddhism ,,after visiting Asia a few times.. Again the bible to me is not a sacred document written by God.. its a flawed story written by flawed men and the prophecys are a warning and not a fact That is my spin which is pure spin on my part and Iam not a Bible student BUT do think bush and the villains are using the bible for a most dangerous game an

WWIII another fake on the masses

WWIII another fake on the masses

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On future events,WW3 possibility

ivanbo2003, Mah Brutha, Mah Brutha....

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I Don't Think So, scollon....

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JC and His Dad know when exactly He is coming

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we have to get through 2006 first

Look at it another way

Bad grammar :)

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chill out guy

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