New Hopsicker interview (audio)

[Qutb]

With <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/DX" target="top">Dave Emory</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. <br><br>"Catching up with the boys in Florida". Hopsicker's being sued by one of Mohammed Atta's German friends. An interesting listen.<br><br>"I have identified a naturalized American citizen, a German pilot by the name of Wolfgang Borenger, who lives in Atlanta, Georgia today, who attended meetings with Muhammed Atta in the year before the attack, in which the attacks may well have been discussed ... I think I'm gonna go down in history for this". <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

He says he's going to try and get Seymour Hersh or some other mainstream investigative journalist to take a look at the information he's uncovered. He feels it's solid. <br><br>I really hope someone like Hersh would brake this stuff in the mainstream. That would carry a little more weight than Charlie Sheen musing about the appearance of the planes. <p></p><i></i>

[seemslikeadream]

Thanks Qutb<br><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>i and i catch them vampire</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/bf_rasta.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

I agree Qutb, I wish this stuff got more traction. This is the real meat of the operational side of the enterprise.<br><br>The German connection is fascinating. Not just the pilots, but the German-American "exchange" program tied to Kissinger and David Rockefeller that sponsored Atta. (The Carl Duisberg Society, named after a former official of IG Farben.) Apparently the German "flight clubs" such as the one run by Bohringer's father were popular cover for post-war Nazis to safely assemble.<br><br>And don't forget "Andy the German" from the Oklahoma City bombing, and the Muslim Brotherhood's Nazi heritage.<br><br>I expect to be working this stuff into a post developing thoughts on the GOP's Eastern European "heritage groups" run by Nazi collaborators and Waffen-SS members.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 3/29/06 11:26 am<br></i>

[seemslikeadream]

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2006/03/ftr-542-interview-with-daniel_16.html" target="top">ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2006/03/ftr-542-interview-with-daniel_16.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>FTR #542 Interview with Daniel Hopsicker – Catching up with the Boys in Florida <br>Recorded February 26, 2006<br>REALAUDIO<br><br>In this interview, Daniel Hopsicker updates the audience on the status of a lawsuit filed against him by Stephan Verhaaren, one of the German, Austrian and Swiss associates of 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta. Daniel informs us that Verhaaren corroborated an important detail about Wolfgang Bohringer, another of Atta’s German associates. After discussing the upcoming publication of new, supplemented editions of both of his books, Daniel provides more detail about connecting links between the scandals enveloping the GOP.<br><br>Program Highlights Include: Discussion of the fact that Bohringer’s father owned a fleet of taxicabs and was the controlling figure in the Flying Club of Munich, to which Wolfgang belongs; the use of such “clubs” by postwar German neo-Nazis to circumvent that country’s anti-Nazi laws; the fact that 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and associates visited SunCruz casino boats at least four times in the run-up to 9/11; links between GOP operator Brent Wilkes and the Iran-Contra drug smuggling front World Finance Corporation.<br><br>1. The program begins with discussion of forthcoming new editions of both of Daniel’s books—Barry and the Boys and Welcome to Terrorland. Both volumes will contain supplemental information not contained in the original editions. Mr. Emory then notes that there are significant elements of continuity that run throughout both of Daniel’s books and many of his articles. As we saw in FTR#’s 482, 483, 484, the milieu in Florida in which Mohamed Atta and company operated has many evidentiary tributaries running in the direction of the Iran-Contra scandal and the epic drug-smuggling that accompanied that operation. That is the milieu of Barry Seal, the focal point of Barry and the Boys.<br><br>Future programs will feature discussion of some of the evidentiary tributaries running between Daniel’s books and some of his articles on the overlapping GOP scandals involving Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff and Randy “Duke” Cunningham.<br><br>Daniel mentioned that the new edition of Welcome to Terrorland will contain a considerable amount of information from Mark Shubin, a former U-2 pilot who was part of the aeronautical milieu around Venice (Florida).<br><br>2. Much of the first side of the program involves developments in a lawsuit the Daniel has been fighting. Filed by Stephan Verhaaren—one of the Germans, Austrians and Swiss with whom Atta associated in Florida--the suit featured an interesting deposition about Wolfgang Bohringer. Discussed briefly in FTR#477, Bohringer was one of the German associates of Atta, and may have been involved in some of the planning for the event. In his deposition, Verhaaren corroborated a key detail about the circumstances surrounding Bohringer’s entry into the United States. Amanda Keller—Atta’s girlfriend in Florida—mentioned to Daniel that Bohringer won his green card in a lottery. Verhaaren corroborated this detail. In the discussion of the green card lottery, both Daniel and Mr. Emory mention that they had never heard of a green card lottery. Subsequently, a number of listeners helpfully mentioned that such lotteries are not uncommon in other countries.<br><br>3. Discussing Bohringer’s background, Daniel mentions that Bohringer was part of an organization called the Flying Club of Munich, which is controlled by his father. (FTR#477 contains a brief mention of the Flying Club of Munich.) Discussing that organization, Mr. Emory notes that many neo-Nazi organizations in postwar Germany represent themselves as clubs or civic organizations of some kind in order to hide their true nature. Mr. Emory cites the Sportgroup Hoffman, a neo-Nazi organization that was active in the Middle East and worked with Arab and Palestinian terrorists. (For more about the Sportgroup Hoffman, see FTR#333.) Discussing Bohringer’s father, Daniel mentions that he owns a taxicab company in Munich, an interesting detail in light of the liberal use made of cabs by Atta and company in their South Florida operations. Mr. Emory notes that owning aircraft and cabs would facilitate any number of clandestine activities, including drug and arms smuggling. Apparently, Bohringer’s father is quite wealthy and powerful. The possibility that he may be associated with the Bormann capital network is not one to be too readily dismissed.<br><br>4. Noting some of the evidentiary tributaries running between Daniel’s books and his ground-breaking investigative pieces, Mr. Emory mentions that Atta and company visited one of the SunCruz casino boats on September 11th of 2001. (SunCruz was owned by the late Gus Boulis, a friend of the elder George Bush who was murdered gangland-style in February of 2001.) Daniel mentioned that there appear to have been at least four trips to SunCruz boats by Atta and company, perhaps to launder money. (For more about the Boulis murder and the takeover of SunCruz by GOP bigwig Jack Abramoff, see—among other programs—FTR#516.)<br><br>5. Noting again the numerous evidentiary tributaries connecting Daniel’s investigative pieces with his books, Mr. Emory notes that Brent Wilkes, an associate of disgraced (and now convicted) San Diego congressman Randy “Duke” Cunningham, used to work for the World Finance Corporation, one of the money-laundering vehicles for the Iran-Contra drug smuggling.<br>For more about this connection, see “Cunningham Scandal Figure Linked to Iran Contra Cocaine Trafficking”.<br><br>6. Mr. Emory also notes that Wilkes ran a front company used by Randy Cunningham in many of his operations. That front company kicked back vast sums of money to lobbying firm run by Jack Abramoff and operated by two former associates of Tom De Lay.<br>For more about this, see “Cunningham Stripped $700 Million from U.S. Defense: ‘Dukester’s’ Epic Boo-Boo Hiding Masssive Pentagon Rip-Off”.<br><br><br>http://www.spitfirelist.com/f477.html<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:v631-Yfc1ZkJ:www.ariannaonline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-13993.html+The+Flying+Club+of+Munich+-+Wolfgang+Bohringer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4" target="top">72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:v631-Yfc1ZkJ:www.ariannaonline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-13993.html+The+Flying+Club+of+Munich+-+Wolfgang+Bohringer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 3/29/06 11:36 am<br></i>

[NewKid]

Isn't it odd that nobody else has done this kind of research into Atta or the other hijackers? I mean wouldn't you expect journalists or authors to want to profile the big villain in a book? There are pulitzers and book awards after all! <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

I love this research and these trails too, but the only problem with it as a talking point is that it's hard to synthesize all these trails and names and history into a crisp argument that a lot listeners or viewers could understand. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

Right-o Newkid, and thats precisely where I see the importance of Sheen. Hes a medium, for the masses, someone they can relate to more easily. <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

It seems to be the likes of Gerald Posner who get nominated, instead of authors like Dick Russell and William Pepper. <p></p><i></i>

[wordspeak]

...the likes of Posner<br>and Seymour Hersh!<br>who is *Disinfo*!!<br>and always has been.<br><br>Hopsicker really mentioned Seymour Hersh? That would be interesting....<br> <p></p><i></i>

[streeb]

Wordspeak - Hersh is Disinfo? Can you elaborate? I'm not challenging your assertion, just interested to hear your take.<br><br>Thanks! <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

My Lai, Abu Ghraib... I don't think Hersh is disinfo. I think he's one of the few quality journalists in America. When Hersh talks about children being raped in Abu Ghraib and the orders coming from the top, is it disinfo you think?<br><br>Everyone gets the "disinfo" accusation flinged at them from conspiracy circles from time to time though. Mostly because they didn't write about someone's pet theory or subject. <p></p><i></i>

[streeb]

Qutb - I tend to think that Hersh is solid, but I'd like to know what wordspeak is talking about.<br><br>Wordspeak? You made quite an accusation. Tell us why. I'm genuinely curious.<br><br>Thank you. <p></p><i></i>

[BannedfromDU]

<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Abramoff Link to Boulis Murder Called ''Threat to Current Operations''</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>MAR 30 2006--Venice,FL.<br>by Daniel Hopsicker <br><br>Over nine months ago a story in the The MadCowMorningNews revealed that disgraced Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s biggest legal worries concerned neither the fraudulent takeover of the SunCruz gambling ships, nor the Indian casino lollapalooza in which "Casino Jack" skimmed tens of millions of dollars off the take from casinos on Indian reservations across the U.S.<br><br>Abramoff’s big fear, we reported in a story in June of 2005 headlined “Terrorists Torpedoes and Republican Muscle,” centered on his potential “exposure” in the gangland-style assassination of Boulis, a murder which figures prominently in his rise to power. <br><br>This week, with a vengeance, that prediction began to come true, when defense attorneys for reputed Gambino associates accused of the hit on Gus Boulis announced plans to subpoena both Abramoff and his former business partner Adam Kidan. <br><br>They want to question the two men, court documents showed, about their purchase of SunCruz, alleged to be "at the heart" of the murder case. <br><br>Abramoff and Kidan's testimony is critical, the lawyers alleged, in showing the bitter feelings and power struggle that followed their purchase of SunCruz from Boulis in September 2000.  <br><br>In plain English, they want to ask Jack Abramoff and Adam Kidan what they know personally about the subject of “murder for hire.” <br><br>CONTINUED...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.madcowprod.com">www.madcowprod.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>

[wordspeak]

Sorry to forget about this dialogue.<br>Hersh is a classic insider journalist pushing disinfo and half-truths, always from anonymous high-level sources (why don't you tell us who you're talking to?). He's currently obsessed with the neo-conservative takeover of power line. in his words:<br>"...the amazing thing is we are been taken over basically by a cult, eight or nine neo-conservatives have somehow grabbed the government. Just how and why and how they did it so efficiently, will have to wait for much later historians and better documentation than we have now, but they managed to overcome the bureaucracy and the Congress, and the press, with the greatest of ease." <br><br>Or has it been essentially the *same people* in power all along, Sy?<br><br>one critic of hersh's critics is douglas valentine, who wrote "operation phoenix." he believes that hersh is a CIA agent. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/121103_preemptive_manhunting_the_cia.htm">www.ccmep.org/2003_articl...he_cia.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>