Millenium.

[slimmouse]

<br> Just a few thoughts.<br><br> Bird flu - official created Bullshit - Thimoserol, and any number of such additives to official vaccines kill more people than any concocted disease ever could<br><br> Al Quaeda - Officially created Bullshit. I dont really need to go into much detail do I ?<br><br> Energy crisis - Official bullshit. Kudos to Thoughtographer to simply explaining how motor vehicles are easily run from hydrogen. The way the corporate machine disguises the simplicity of this in an effort to ensure that we cant all access free energy, is clever - but only if you dont have a brain.<br> <br> Who runs the world, and how - Thanks John. Thanks Jeff. Get the old law books out. Get the square and compass out. <br><br> Religion, banking, Arms , drugs ( the methods of control ) - See previous comment .<br><br><br> The history of our species. All directly related to all of the above. Throw in Egypt, Syrius, and the Great Bear constellation ( to mention but a sprinkling ). Throw in the Ocean of idiocy that has emerged as official thinking courtesy of "officialdom" - Namely , its either Darwin or a guy with a beard , and Voila !<br><br> 'He who controls the past controls the present. He who controls the present controls the future'<br><br> I am that I am. <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Energy crisis - Official bullshit. Kudos to Thoughtographer to simply explaining how motor vehicles are easily run from hydrogen. The way the corporate machine disguises the simplicity of this in an effort to ensure that we cant all access free energy, is clever - but only if you dont have a brain.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>People really just lack the resources, and the egos involved in the underground community are at cross purposes with the ethical concerns most of them espouse. Now, if there were a cooperative group of engineers and scientists with unlimited resources and a lack of need for material gains, you'd probably see something happen. For all we know, that's already happening at this very moment.<br><br>The fact that BMW has a car like that which they claim is almost ready for production says a lot to me. I haven't had the time or resources to check the foreign patents, but you can bet that BMW will have that shit nailed down tight, even though they took the work from the independent research community. Who can even afford a petrol-burning BMW, let alone some fancy solar/water/hydrogen jobby? <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/6/06 1:09 am<br></i>

[JD]

Hydrogen can indeed run internal combustion engines and fuel cells. The issue with hydrogen is where is it going to come from? Virtually all hydrogen currently is reformed from natural gas? Clearly that won't solve our hydrocarbon addiction.<br><br>Ahhh - then how about electrolysis from renewable solar or wind! That'll make hydrogen like a hot damn! <br><br>Unfortunately its pretty clunky. The creation of the electricity from solar or wind is inefficent (say 20%) the conversion to hydrogen is inefficiency (say 20%) and the combustion of hydrogen to put power to the road is inefficient (say 20%) - assuming the numbers to be correct, the product of all these efficiencies is under 1%. Yikes. Imagine how many solar panels and windmills we'd have to put up to convert to a hydrogen economy!<br><br>Not to mention issues with transportation and storage. Hydrogen is HARD to store; plain old steel tanks won't do; the hydrogen literally leaks out as it is such a small molecule.<br><br>Hey it isn't all bleak. I'm NOT a doomer and gloomer. We can work through energy issues.<br><br>For example this article is really cool. The six-cycle internal combustion engine. Simply ingenious. Amazing this wasn't thought of 100 years ago. Imagine getting every internal combustion engine to run 40% more efficiently? That'd almost double the useful lifetime of the world's hydrocarbon resources. Wow. A friend of mine is a serious racer and has worked with Cower, very impressive guy. And NOT an engineer; rather a mechanic. Just goes to show the benefits of thinking and doing as opposed to credentials!<br><br>Anyways the article is more interesting than my ramblings see it here at:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE">www.autoweek.com/apps/pbc...WEEKSISSUE</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ahhh - then how about electrolysis from renewable solar or wind! That'll make hydrogen like a hot damn!<br><br>Unfortunately its pretty clunky. The creation of the electricity from solar or wind is inefficent (say 20%) the conversion to hydrogen is inefficiency (say 20%) and the combustion of hydrogen to put power to the road is inefficient (say 20%) - assuming the numbers to be correct, the product of all these efficiencies is under 1%. Yikes. Imagine how many solar panels and windmills we'd have to put up to convert to a hydrogen economy!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>True, and I can't really disagree with most of your points. Assuming the numbers are correct, and therefore represent an abstract barrier to innovation is a mistake, if you ask me. We didn't arrive at the efficiency levels seen in modern internal combustion engines overnight, and the resources laid out to improve converting freely available resources into energy are a pittance compared to what's alloted to the petroleum industry's interests. Maybe if people were less concerned with maintaining the crippling speed of modern life, this situation would improve, but my daily travels don't leave me with many reasons to be optimistic.<br><br>That's a great article. I find it interesting that he, like many others cites his dreams as a source of unique solutions to engineering problems. Speaking of sleep...<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>“I’ve been trying to think how to capture radiator losses for over 30 years,” explains the veteran camshaft grinder and race engine builder. “One morning about 18 months ago I woke up, like from a dream, and I knew immediately that I had the answer.”<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Edit: Okay, so he said "<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>like</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> from a dream". My mind! <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/6/06 1:57 am<br></i>

[Qutb]

"Throw in Egypt, Syrius, and the Great Bear constellation..."<br><br>...and you've got your run-of-the-mill New Age escape-from-reality Theory of Everything. <p></p><i></i>

[chillin]

Why this 'DVD player sized' device that produces hydrogen on the fly and adds it to the combustion chamber isn't in use boggles my mind.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/hydrogen-generator/index.php">us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/hy.../index.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>and you've got your run-of-the-mill New Age escape-from-reality Theory of Everything.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Ive seen your reality QUTB.<br><br> I guess we all DO live in our own world <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

I'm sure yours is much nicer. <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Throw in Egypt, Syrius, and the Great Bear constellation..."<br><br>...and you've got your run-of-the-mill New Age escape-from-reality Theory of Everything.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yeah, I agree that there's no need to throw millennial thinking and half-cocked prophecy onto the dungheap. Those topics can be interesting, but perspective is important. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[JD]

Perhaps this isn't in use because it is impractical or fraudulant?<br><br>How is it powered? It takes ENERGY to create hydrogen from water. Hydrogen advocates consistantly underplay or don't mention this inconvenient fact at all.<br><br>How efficiently does it create hydrogen? Is the conversion process of low efficiency?<br><br>I remember a city that had a system of trolley-buses - the buses had electric motors and pulled their power off of overhead lines. Could such a system be put in place that would run hybrid cars? When a car came to an area not served by the overhead lines its internal combustion engine could run. <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I remember a city that had a system of trolley-buses - the buses had electric motors and pulled their power off of overhead lines. Could such a system be put in place that would run hybrid cars? When a car came to an area not served by the overhead lines its internal combustion engine could run.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.trainweb.org/mts/ctc/ctc06.html">Some ancient history</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>