"It's national security gone berserk."

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"It's national security gone berserk."

Postby sunny » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:06 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/local/14285720.htm">www.belleville.com/mld/be...285720.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Patient charged with threat against Bush<br>Mental patient says he was just joking<br>BY BETH HUNDSDORFER<br>News-Democrat<br>A patient at the Alton Mental Health Center has been charged with threatening President George W. Bush.<br><br>Arafat Nijmeh, a Palestinian who lives in Belleville, had been temporarily committed to the mental health center when he made the threat on March 18. Two psychiatric technicians called the Secret Service.<br><br>Nijmeh told federal agents the next day that "to cut off his (appendage) is not too harsh, considering what he has done to my country," according to the indictment.<br><br>After the agents began reading Nijmeh his rights, Nijmeh claimed it was a joke.<br><br>A federal grand jury this week indicted Nijmeh, 26, of 1000 Royal Heights Road, Apt. 5, on two counts of threatening the president, which carries a prison sentence of up to five years.<br><br>Legal experts said authorities may have trouble making the charges stick, though.<br><br>"I'm absolutely astonished," said J. Steven Beckett, University of Illinois law professor. "It's national security gone berserk."<br><br>Prosecuting the case isn't without its problems, the experts said.<br><br>"I think he ought to have an insanity defense because he has no intent to commit the crime because he was locked up inside a mental institution," said Southern Illinois University School of Law Professor William Schroeder. "I'm not surprised that he was charged, though. That kind of thing really gets them worked up."<br><br>But Nijmeh's criminal history may have been a factor as well.<br><br>In 2003, he pleaded guilty to aggravated battery after police said he struck a woman on the head with a rock.<br><br>"If he's a guy with a violent history, he has shown a step towards violence, perhaps making the threat more credible," said Andrew Leipold, University of Illinois law professor.<br><br>Leipold said Nijmeh will probably seek an insanity defense.<br><br>"The feds tightened up the insanity defense a lot after John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan," he said. "It's pretty tough to make that case now."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "It's national security gone berserk."

Postby James Redford » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:23 am

First of all, saying "to cut off his [appendage] is not too harsh, considering what he has done to my country" is not a threat.<br><br>All it is is a statement that one believes that the person spoken of would deserve said punishment, not that the one saying it has any intention or even desire to carry it out.<br><br>---<br><br>On somewhat related matters:<br><br>If the U.S. government's own laws on the books were to be enforced, then President George Bush, Jr. would be facing the death penalty for the crimes of mass-murder of U.S. citizens and for treason. One can state that fact and (1) have no desire to see it carried out, even legally; or (2) have a desire to see it carried out, but only via legal means. Even if one were to openly endorse position number 2, that still would not be an illegal threat, since then one is only calling for a legal prosecution.<br><br>As a Christian, I would counsel forgiveness for even the most depraved of crimes, but I would also recognize the victims' right to reject my counsel and to seek full proportional punishment, if they so chose. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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