by Dreams End » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:06 pm
I am now completely convinced that there is an orchestrated and well planned program to discredit the current titular rulers, even to the point of putting out "calls" for military coups d'etat.<br><br>The first one was the strange Col. Donn de Grand-Pre in a famous interview on Alex Jones. The good colonel said that there had been a meeting of pilots AT the Pentagon soon after 9/11 and that they agreed it was an inside job. This was allegedly then reported in a Portuguese paper. He said that a high percentage of the military was aware of this and was willing to make a "counter-coup".<br><br>I had a long post on this a couple of days ago, but unfortunately, I had booted into Windows to play a game and just popped in and started on this topic. Windows, being how it is, froze internet explorer midpost and I lost all of it.<br><br>But the point was that I tried to find some background on Col de Grand-Pre who claimed to be both an arms dealer under Ford and Carter and a Middle East arms negotiator under Sec. of Def. McNamara. I was unsurprised to find NO internet references to him other than that one interview and a couple of other interviews along the same lines (or reposts of the Jones interview, I didn't look at every one.) <br><br>He has two or three books and within them blames all this on "Bolshevik" infiltration of US Security infrastructure, etc. One review makes it look like Bolshevik is just another code for "Jew" but it was the review that said that....I haven't read the books.<br><br>So nothing on the good colonel, but a few OCD hours later and I did find that there is a Grandpre family in South Dakota (de Grand-Pre claims he's from North Dakota originally) and that there is, indeed, someone with the unusual first name of Donn in that family. However, the reference made it look like it was a younger person who'd interviewed his Dad about WW2 for a college project, though that interview could have been some time before. <br><br>In any event, there's also a Donn Grandpre mentioned in a VFW post listing of officers. <br><br>But that's it.<br><br>And in all the reposts of his interviews and references to him, including by the "brillian researcher" Webster Tarpley, I never saw one attempt to verify he was who he said he was. Not one.<br><br>Okay, so I'm still working on that. Actually he gave out his phone number in the Jones interview but I am debating the wisdom of calling someone like that and bringing attention to myself.<br><br>Fast forward a bit to 2004 and Wayne Madsen is also making calls for a "Seven Days in May" scenario. Very similar message (though if you've seen the movie...not really a happy thought and no Kirk Douglas to save us.)<br><br>Come to think of it, I don't know if anyone's every verified Madsen's credentials either, but I don't like them, even if they are true.<br><br>One of the original signers of the famous 9/11 truth statement (and boy does THAT list give you a few clues on what's up) was Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst who not only writes for Counterpunch but gives his email address as @Counterpunch.org. Guess he's taken up residence there, virtually speaking.<br><br>It is now clear to me that from the beginning or, more likely, BEFORE the beginning of 9/11, there was an organized effort to exploit and control the opposition. Have a look at the list of signers of the original 9/11 truth <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633">statement:</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> 1. Virginia Deane Abernethy, Ph.D., anthropologist, author, Population Politics<br> 2. Ed Asner, actor, activist<br> 3. Marshall Auerback, international portfolio strategist for David W. Tice & Associates, Inc.<br> 4. Catherine Austin Fitts, Asst. Secretary of Housing in the first Bush administration<br> 5. Keidi Obi Awadu, aka The Conscious Rasta, talk show host, LIBRadio<br> 6. Michael Badnarik, Libertarian candidate for President<br> 7. Byron Belitsos, publisher, Origin Press, author Planetary Democracy<br> 8. Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former deputy attorney general, Pennsylvania<br> 9. Medea Benjamin, activist, author, co-founder, Global Exchange and Code Pink<br> 10. Dennis Bernstein, investigative reporter, radio host of KPFA's Flashpoints<br> 11. Steve Bhaerman aka Swami Beyondananda, author, political comedian<br> 12. Brad Blanton, Ph.D., psychotherapist, author, Radical Honesty<br> 13. Saniel Bonder, spiritual teacher and author, Great Relief<br> 14. Dr. Robert Bowman, USAF Lt. Col. (Rtd.), founder, Institute for Space and Security Studies<br> 15. John Buchanan, author, candidate for the Republican Party Presidential nomination, 2004<br> 16. Gray Brechin, Ph.D., author, environmental historian, professor, UC Berkeley<br> 17. Fred Burks, presidential interpreter for Bush, Clinton, Cheney, and Gore<br> 18. Norma Carr-Rufino, Ph.D., author, professor of management, San Francisco State University<br> 19. Angana Chatterji, Ph.D., scholar-activist and professor of anthropology<br> 20. Paul Cienfuegos, co-founder, Democracy Unlimited of Humboldt County<br> 21. David Cobb, attorney, national presidential candidate, US Green Party<br> 22. John Cobb, Ph.D., theologian, co-author, For the Common Good<br> 23. Ernest Callenbach, founder/editor, Film Quarterly, author, Ecotopia<br> 24. Kevin Danaher, Ph.D., author, speaker, co-founder, Global Exchange<br> 25. Stephen Dinan, author, Radical Spirit<br> 26. Ronnie Dugger, journalist/author, co-founder, Alliance for Democracy<br> 27. Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D., Director, American Center for Democracy, author, Funding Evil<br> 28. Daniel Ellsberg, author, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers<br> 29. Jodie Evans, co-founder, Code Pink<br> 30. Richard Falk, Professor Emeritus of International Law, Princeton University<br> 31. Michael Franti, musician, filmmaker, human rights worker<br> 32. Janeane Garofalo, actress, comedienne, talk show host, Air America Radio<br> 33. Jim Garrison, Ph.D., president, State of the World Forum, author, America as Empire<br> 34. Bruce Gagnon, Chair, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space<br> 35. Ric Giardina, author, consultant, speaker, former Director of Trademarks and Brands for Intel<br> 36. John Gray, Ph.D., #1 bestselling author, Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus<br> 37. Stan Goff, 25-year Army Special Ops veteran, author, Full Spectrum Disorder<br> 38. Melvin Goodman, senior fellow, Center for International Policy, author, former Senior Analyst, CIA, professor, National War College<br> 39. Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter<br> 40. David Ray Griffin, Ph.D., theologian, author, New Pearl Harbor<br> 41. Doris "Granny D" Haddock, campaign finance crusader, NH Democratic candidate for Senate<br> 42. Thom Hartmann, radio host; author, Unequal Protection<br> 43. Richie Havens, singer, songwriter, performer, artist<br> 44. Paul Hawken, bestselling author, environmentalist, entrepreneur, founder of Smith & Hawken<br> 45. Randy Hayes, founder, Rainforest Action Network, US National Director, Direction Conservation<br> 46. Richard Heinberg, author, The Party's Over, core faculty, New College of California<br> 47. Van Jones, executive director, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights<br> 48. Rob Kall, editor, OpEdNews.com, president, Futurehealth, Inc.<br> 49. Georgia Kelly, executive director, Praxis Peace Institute<br> 50. Sean Kelly, Ph.D., author, professor of philosophy and religion, CA Institute of Integral Studies<br> 51. John Joseph Kennedy, Democratic Write-in Presidential Candidate for 2004<br> 52. Mimi Kennedy, actress, Dharma and Greg, progressive activist<br> 53. Faiz Khan, M.D., Triage Emergency Physician on 9/11, Assistant Imam<br> 54. David Korten, author, When Corporations Rule the World<br> 55. Frances Moore LappÈ, author, Diet for a Small Planet; founder, Small Planet Institute<br> 56. Scott M. Legere, 25 year radio broadcaster as Scott Ledger, Tampa FL<br> 57. Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, TIKKUN Magazine, author, Healing Israel/Palestine<br> 58. Michael Levine, bestselling author of Deep Cover, journalist, 25-year veteran of the DEA<br> 59. Joanna Macy, Ph.D., eco-philosopher, author<br> 60. Enver Masud, founder, The Wisdom Fund, author, The Truth About Islam<br> 61. John McCarthy, former Special Forces Captain, president, Veterans Equal Rights Protection Advocacy<br> 62. Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity<br> 63. Cynthia McKinney, five-term Congresswoman from Georgia<br> 64. Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., author, professor, co-founder, Green Earth Foundation<br> 65. Mark Crispin Miller, media critic, author, professor, New York University<br> 66. Joseph W. Montaperto, New York City Fire Department<br> 67. Leuren Moret, geoscientist, radiation specialist, environmental commissioner<br> 68. Ralph Nader, Independent candidate for President<br> 69. Craig Neal, author, co-founder, The Heartland Institute, former publisher, Utne Reader<br> 70. Jeff Norman, executive director, Tour of Duty<br> 71. Jenna Orkin, Esquire, World Trade Center Environmental Organization<br> 72. Kelly Patricia O'Meara, investigative journalist, public relations<br> 73. Michael Parenti, Ph.D., author, Superpatriotism and The Terrorism Trap<br> 74. Edward L. Peck, former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism<br> 75. Peter Phillips, Ph.D., professor, Sonoma State University, director, Project Censored<br> 76. Henri Poole, Internet pioneer, board member, Free Software Foundation<br> 77. Robert Rabbin, author, speaker, creator of TruthForPresident.org<br> 78. Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., sociologist, author, The Cultural Creatives<br> 79. John Renesch, business futurist, author, Getting to the Better Future<br> 80. John Rensenbrink, professor emeritus, Bowdoin College, co-founder, US Green Party<br> 81. John Robbins, author, founder, EarthSave International<br> 82. William Rodriguez, 9/11 rescue effort hero, founder, Hispanic Victims Group<br> 83. Neal Rogin, Emmy-award winning writer, performer, social observer<br> 84. Allen Roland, Ph.D., psychotherapist, published author and peace activist<br> 85. Rosemary Radford Ruether, professor of feminist theology, Graduate Theological Union<br> 86. Michael Ruppert, publisher/editor, From The Wilderness, author, Crossing the Rubicon<br> 87. Chris Sanders, founder, Sanders Research Associates<br> 88. Karl W. B. Schwarz, President, CEO, Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC<br> 89. Peter Dale Scott, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, author, Drugs, Oil, and War<br> 90. Firefighter Kevin Shea, FDNY Hazmat Operations<br> 91. Michelle Shocked, singer/songwriter, activist<br> 92. Indira Singh, risk management and computer systems consultant<br> 93. J. Michael Springmann, attorney, former Foreign Service Officer, US Department of State<br> 94. Douglas Sturm, Ph.D., university professor emeritus, Bucknell University<br> 95. Marjorie Hewit Suchocki, Ph.D., theologian, author<br> 96. Chuck Turner, Boston City Council<br> 97. James W. Walter Jr., venture investor, philanthropist, founder of Walden Three<br> 98. Dan Whaley, E-commerce pioneer, founder of GetThere.com, acquired for $750M<br> 99. Burns H. Weston, J.S.D., Professor of Law Emeritus, Director, Center for Human Rights, U-Iowa<br> 100. Howard Zinn, professor, historian, author, A People's History of the United States <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>It will take longer than I have at the moment to deconstruct that list. And I'm not saying everyone on the list is a bad guy/gal. But notice signer number one? Virginia Abernethey. Heinberg's there too, of course. And there's John Gray, associate of Adnan Kashoggi...talk about FOXES in henhouses. There's Byron Belitsos (mentioned in another thread), original funder and founder of 911truth.org. Oh, and head cheerleader for the Urantia movement. Why is it that so many of these types of movements have to receive instructions from the Space Brothers? And if you check out his Origin Publishing, you'll find...well, let's just say Jim is from Marrs and evidently Krapf's friends are from Venus...considered by one reviewer to be the heir apparent to George Adamski. (Sorry for the "uninititiated" this seems all a bit "inside baseball" but I'm rushed at the moment. Google will get you all you need on this.)<br><br>There's Catherine Austin Fitts. Former Reagan officials sure are progressive, aren't they?<br><br>There are people I like on the list, and I don't even know how it was generated. What "truth" did each of these signers have in mind? <br><br>I haven't looked at half these folks yet so I don't know who they are. But the point is that if you start checking out the circle of people that founded, funded and run much of 9/11 truth...as well as the people putting out these calls for military coups, etc, I see a coordinated attempt to move the country in some very frightening directions. Maybe it's strictly disinfo and there's no further agenda. But I doubt it. <p></p><i></i>