$500K Seized; Strange Situation Reported At Nuclear Plant

by **anotherdrew** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:38 pm

It would have to be mostly about facts and the nailing down of same. Which may be rather hard in these days of "off the record" "unnamed authorities say" "sources close to the investigation" one good thing might come quickly from such an effort, namely people taking a stark look at just how much info is 'secret' or 'semi-secret' these days and spur some new laws clarifying when and why 'authorities' may invoke "privacy" and reinforce existing sunshine laws. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 4/20/06 5:59 pm

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:16 pm

Well put, and I think your goals are modest and reasonable. Let me know what help you need, if and when you need it, and I'll see if I can fill any gaps. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:20 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>What exactly do you mean,when suggesting that the 'concrete loafers' post above, which can be readily viewed as a veiled warning which is as old as the hills, be also viewed as a threat to your bravery ?<hr></blockquote> It's a cliché often associated with a specific brand of organized crime, the type which was not formed under the auspices or charters of the U.S. government. Get it yet? I know it wasn't very funny, but my goal wasn't really to make you laugh, or prove my bravery. The suspicious thing about this is really the reporting, if you ask me. It seems like a sting, but I think the people being stung aren't going to feel it right away. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>And can you not understand yet, how it amuses me on so many levels ?<hr></blockquote> Sure, I can understand why you think there's a good reason to laugh at my expense, but I can't begin to fathom your many levels. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/20/06 7:25 pm

by **anotherdrew** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:37 pm

hmmm... justthefacts.org looks available... maybe... Let's see what's happened by next week this time. as for arguments, it's to be expected, it's even good, so long as it doesn't get too personal or make people see red to the point where the plot is lost. There are risks and it's reasonable to point them out, and it's also fair to call it out if someone's trying to scare someone else into inaction. Although is this thread I really don't think that was the case. So let's drop that matter ok? as for the risks, I'm all Obi-Wan about it. I'm reminded of Reagan's quote "facts are stupid things" I've always thought that was just another dumb thing he said and would have once argued the point to death with anyone, but these days I can see a point to the statement. Facts alone don't gaurantee that everyone shares the same meaning. It may be that facts alone don't mean anything by themselves. and so we're back to dots and their connections and any given two points can always be connected by a straight line. Look at the contelations, totally a social construct, other 'pictures' are made by different societies, looking at the same dot pattern. === current events on topic: <a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=shippingport&btnG=Search+News">google news on shippingport</a> still no one has claimed the money. FENOC (FIRSTENERGY NUCLEAR OPERATING COMPANY) operates Beaver Valley in Shippingport, Pennsylvania, as well as the Davis-Besse. Davis-Besse was the plant they just about let cracking around control rod nozzles penetrate the steel-walled vessel that contained the nuclear fuel and the pressurized reactor coolant water, resulting in a potentially serious accident that would stress the plants’ safety systems. Engineers predict that a broken nozzle, propelled by reactor coolant at 2000 psi, would violently launch itself out of the reactor vessel head, leaving a hole through which reactor coolant would escape into the containment building. It might have even prevented them from inserting the remaining rods, leading to MELTDOWN. nasty business but thank god, this time at least, the problem was found in time. FENOC has agreed to pay $28 million in penalties, restitution, and community service projects as part of an agreement to defer prosecution of the company, the Justice Department announced today. Per the terms of the deferred prosecution agreement, FENOC admits that the government can prove that its employees, acting on its behalf, knowingly made false representations to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) in the course of attempting to persuade the NRC that its Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station was safe to operate beyond December 31, 2001. Prasoon Goyal, a design engineer, also accepted and entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the government. from: <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ohn/news/20January%202006.htm">busted</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 4/20/06 9:50 pm

by **thoughtographer** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>There are risks and it's reasonable to point them out, and it's also fair to call it out if someone's trying to scare someone else into inaction. Although is this thread I really don't think that was the case. So let's drop that matter ok?<hr></blockquote> Help! I'm being silenced! But yeah, okay. I agree with you for the most part. I guess when you expect people to read between the lines, what they find is more often a vague reflection of themselves in the place of what you originally intended -- especially around here. If I wanted to scare someone I would probably make it obvious, though I sadly don't ever find a need for that sort of thing these days in this climate of paranoia and fear. It seems easier to just speak your mind and have someone wildly misunderstand you than to actually go through the effort to scare someone. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:40 am

I'd greatly prefer more fact-finding than mind-speaking, personally..

by **thoughtographer** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:45 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'd greatly prefer more fact-finding than mind-speaking, personally..<hr></blockquote> Well, I don't see the two as mutually exclusive when it comes to "discussion", so deal with it. Posting articles from online news aggregators is hardly fact-finding, but setting up a research database as has been suggested is a step in the right direction. This is discussion forum, right? Thanks for you opinion. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:52 pm

Looking more and more like a pretty serious cover-up in progress. DHC seems to be scrubbing the scene for whoever/whatever this was: <a href="http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16520659&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478569&rfi=6">www.timesonline.com/site/...8569&rfi=6</a>  For now, there are still few answers as to what two Texas men were doing with more than $500,000 in cash at the Beaver Valley Nuclear Power Station on Tuesday, but investigators insist there was no terrorist activity involved. A group of state troopers and investigators from the FBI are continuing to investigate the bizarre incident, in which two men from Houston, Donald R. Kingsby, 29, and William Lewis Jr., 28, went to the plant to pick up tools for Bechtel Corp., a contracting company doing work for the plant's $300 million upgrade. Security guards, who were searching the rig and flatbed the two men were driving into the plant, found a duffel bag containing $504,230, which state police later said they believe is related to drug trafficking. According to Texas driving records, the rig and flatbed trailer were registered to Glenn E. Marsh, 37, also of Houston. No one answered the phone at Marsh's home Saturday, and Kingsby and Lewis could not be reached Saturday. Kingsby, Lewis and Marsh each denied knowledge of the money, which state police said could have been tainted with drugs. Because of that, the money was confiscated and eventually could be forfeited to the state. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission said Thursday it considered the matter closed on its end and was satisfied that security guards had done their job properly and that there was no security breach at the plant. On Friday, a spokeswoman for the federal Department of Homeland Security said the agency had been notified of the incident, which was not being viewed as a security threat. The department said it would not be involved in the investigation. _________________________________ This is just beyond squeeky clean..$500,000 confiscated and no one has any questions whatsoever..

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:01 pm

A poster at DU made an interesting observation: <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2243166&mesg_id=2243180">www.democraticunderground...id=2243180</a> One other note, GW was meeting with Bechtel's George Schultz the next day in California. The meeting had to be moved to Schultz' home because of protests at Stanford. Just a side observation, proves nothing, has no real value--but interesting to me for some reason. Remembering that Warren Buffet and Offut AFB figured on the sidelines on 9-11. ________________________________

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:22 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Nuclear Regulatory Commission said Thursday it considered the matter closed on its end and was satisfied that security guards had done their job properly and that there was no security breach at the plant. On Friday, a spokeswoman for the federal Department of Homeland Security said the agency had been notified of the incident, which was not being viewed as a security threat. The department said it would not be involved in the investigation.<hr></blockquote> Oh, well then. If authorities are ho-humming this, then we should, too, right? Perfectly normal for no one to claim a half million, right? The 'drug money' angle looks to me like a transparent way to divert attention from the NUCLEAR! AAGH!-angle. Many dollar bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them due to the enterprising efforts of Oliver North.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:46 pm

"Well I looked up in the Houston phone directory and found two phone numbers for William Lewis: William Lewis, (xxx) xxx-xxxx, xxxx x xxxx St, Houston, TX 77018 William Lewis, (xxx) xxx-xxxx, xxxx x xxxx St, Houston, TX 77018 I swallowed hard, then called both these phone numbers.......each gave me a recording that stated the number was no longer a working number!" <a href="http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2006/4/21/134539/749">scoop.epluribusmedia.org/...134539/749</a>

by **NavnDansk** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:20 pm

related to questionable mucho dinero in another strange circumstance involving a truck. .....NBC5's Charlie Wojciechowski reported Thursday that investigators are anxious to talk with the car's driver, Amjad J. Husein, who was taken to MacNeal Hospital in Berwyn with serious injuries. Husein lives in Palos Hills, where neighbors say there was always activity around the house."There was all kinds people going in and out," one unidentified woman said. Three other people were injured in the crash, also, Nowak said. One of the truck drivers, Benton D. Chapman, of Oklahoma, was cited with driving too fast for conditions and for equipment violations, according to Nowak. Chapman was also taken to MacNeal where he was likely treated and released, the master sergeant said. Wojciechowski said that this is the first time the Joint Terrorism Task Force has been involved in an investigation like this. FBI spokeswoman Cynthia Yates said the agency was collaborating in the investigation after what she described as "numerous financial instruments" were found in the vehicle. She could not elaborate....... -----Update:Millions Found In Wreckage Of Fatal Crash There are more details.....<a href="http://www.nbc5.com/news/7336191/detail.html">www.nbc5.com/news/7336191/detail.html</a> Now there seems to be a confirm on check is $2M.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> "One of the truck drivers, Benton D. Chapman, of Oklahoma, was cited with driving too fast for conditions and for equipment violations..........."All of the vehicles involved were being held by state police..........Well, thank goodness someone is thinking..impound the vehicles, check tags, vin#s, ownership, insurance, etc. Truck driver name: Benton D. Chapman, of Oklahoma - Kia driver name: Amjad J. Husein, Palos Hills. Would be good to get a police report on this! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=navndansk>NavnDansk</A> at: 4/24/06 7:25 pm

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:56 am

<a href="http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=4099064">abclocal.go.com/ktrk/stor...id=4099064</a> Security officers at the Beaver Valley Nuclear Power Plant in Pennsylvania discovered $540,000, bundled inside a truck trying to come into the plant. The two men inside the truck said they were just supposed to pick up some tools there, but security guards discovered the cash. At first, the two men were let go, but police later caught up with them and questioned them. They didn't claim the money. They just said they were coming from Chicago. A man there had put the bag in the sleeper compartment with instructions it was supposed to go back to Houston. A reporter questioned Pennsylvania state police about the money. "So you think this was probably drug money?" asked the reporter. "In all probability, I'd say it was," said Corp. William Bruce with the Pennsylvania State Police. "Not terrorism?" asked the reporter. "Highly, highly unlikely," said Bruce. Local police dogs in Pennsylvania detected a drug residue on the cash, so police have the money now. The FBI terrorism task force was called in immediately following the incident to help in the investigation. (Copyright © 2006, KTRK-TV)

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