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"the most powerful weapon in the world"

Postby Moddey Screbbagh » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:59 pm

this site is pretty scary....<br><br>anybody know if these guys are for real?<br><br>"Strategic Communication Laboratories"<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.scl.cc/home.php" target="top">www.scl.cc/home.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "the most powerful weapon in the world"

Postby snowlion2 » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:43 pm

I'm not sure how "for real" they are, but the website is scary enough in its implications. However, their CEO, Nigel Oakes, is a pretty prominent Scientologist. I'm not sure if that makes the whole thing scarier or not.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>With respect to the above regulations the signatories David Miscavige, Norman Starkey, Mark Rathbun, Heber Jentzsch, Marc Yager, Jonathan Epstein and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Nigel Oakes</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, in their capacity as corporate officers and ecclesiastical heads of their respective Scientology entities and as members of the CTCC, have violated the terms of the closing agreement from October 1st, 1993 by having known and/or having been in the position to know and/or having supervised and controlled various criminal/non-charitable activities of U. S. based and foreign "Scientology related entities" between 1986 and 2001. As these activities have been conducted in accordance with Scientology's basic and fundamental ecclesiastical policies and scriptures, formulated either by founder L. Ron Hubbard or others, the above mentioned individuals had never had the intention to honor the terms of the closing agreement, thereby had engaged in a conspiracy against the U. S. government from the outset of the settlement discussions<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Full document <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/ottman_html/13.htm">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "the most powerful weapon in the world"

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:45 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'm not sure how "for real" they are, but the website is scary enough in its implications. However, their CEO, Nigel Oakes, is a pretty prominent Scientologist. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I'm not sure if that makes the whole thing scarier or not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>What would it take to make you sure? <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby jingofever » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:49 pm

They seem to be:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Strategic_Communication_Laboratories">www.sourcewatch.org/index...boratories</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2126479/">www.slate.com/id/2126479/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In the Slate article they try to make themselves into an altruistic company, their website suggests they are government shills.<br><br>On a page about what they might be used for:<br><br>Internal Security<br>Almost every country suffers from some problematic faction within its citizens. These disaffected groups may be driven by religious fervour, self-importance or just greed. In all cases, their ability to operate and recruit new members depends on the perceptual environment and the levels of tolerance of the state and its citizens.<br><br>SCL specialises in producing solutions for governments so that they can significantly increase their control and management of disaffected groups as part of a wider counter-terrorism programme. <br><br> * Public Unrest<br> * Insurgency<br> * Crowd Management & Riot Control<br> * Counter - Terrorism Psychological Operations<br> * Crisis Public Affairs <br><br>In other words, keeping any protesters down. Might the disaffected groups have a legitimate grievance? Nah, they're greedy, or religious kooks.<br><br>Another sections asks "What can the OpCentre do for you?"<br>Among the possiblities: <br># Engender support within the national community for proposed military action<br># Develop national resilience and behavioural compliance for homeland security issues<br># Produce powerful public diplomacy campaigns for political, economic, military issues<br><br>I'm really starting to dislike this brave new world with our Rendon Groups and Strategic Communication Laboratories. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby snowlion2 » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:13 pm

...and Axel Oakes, an SCL Director, in 2003 established The Diagnostic Clinic with ex-Orange Founder Hans Snook. Here are a few of their available "Home Tests" for Anxiety:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Level 1 – Important to investigate:<br><br>Adrenal Stress Test (Saliva)<br>Helps determine if stress might be the cause of the anxiety and whether the body is able to compensate.<br>Price: £100<br><br> <br>Level 2 – after level 1 investigations, the most beneficial investigations, are:<br><br>Intestinal Permeability Test (PEG)<br>Tests for the presence of Leaky Gut Syndrome, which can be associated with the symptoms of anxiety.<br>Price: £100<br><br>Neurotransmitter Profile 2<br>This extensive test shows normal and abnormal neurochemicals that control many of the neurological and psychological functions in the central nervous system and conscious/subconscious brain. A very extensive test.<br>Price: £290<br><br>Organix Test (Urine) <br>This test is a comprehensive analysis of vitamin and mineral deficiencies.<br>Price: £300<br><br>Sleep Profile (Saliva) <br>This test measures sleep and stress hormones to help determine if disturbed sleep and excess stress are causing the symptoms. Tests all the elements of the Adrenal Stress Test as well as melatonin.<br>Price: £150<br><br> <br>Level 3 – the following tests also may be beneficial:<br><br>Kelmer Test<br>The Kelmer test shows the presence and levels of specific metals in the body. The higher the levels the more likely is the metal to be influencing health.<br>Price: £80<br><br>Stool Analysis - Comprehensive (CDSA2)<br>Does not include parasitic search, but looks for digestive makers, inflammatory markers, the probability of food allergy, the presence of blood/infection and gives and idea of the activity of the bowel flora as well as an idea of the types of normal or abnormal flora.<br>Price: £300<br><br>Stool Analysis - Comprehensive with Parasites (CDSA1)<br>The most extensive of TDC’s stool analysis tests incorporates all the elements of the CDSA, looking not only for abnormal bowel flora, but also at other areas such as bleeding, inflammation, allergic response, digestive capabilities, acidity and bowel immune capability, and also many different parasites.<br>Price: £500<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.thediagnosticclinic.com/page.aspx?theLang=001lngdef&pointerID=50737E4FC7D244C5B45AD7CB8BE2EE26">Link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Interesting juxtaposition/intertwining of organization, eh?<br><br>And Thoughtographer....you're right. It's scarier. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=snowlion2>snowlion2</A> at: 4/28/06 1:16 pm<br></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:54 pm

I ain't scared of no clams. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:10 pm

Jingofever said:<br>"I'm really starting to dislike this brave new world with our Rendon Groups and Strategic Communication Laboratories."<br><br>Me too -- I thoroughly detest it, especially loathing how prevalent hypocrisy, corruption, lying, and the attitude 'nothing we do is or can be wrong' has become.<br><br>And add Hill and Knowlton to the PR 'message management' agencies above -- H&K was hired by Kuwait in the days after the Baker et al. facilitated Iraqi invasion in 1991 to 'sell' a US-led Gulf War to the American Public -- they set up the notorious fake baby-incubator story, based on H&K market research over what issues would best resonate with the US public, providing coached witnesses before Congress testifying to bogus atrocities. H&K also helped sell the Serbian air-war campaign, by representing Kosova as a 'victim' of Serbian genocide (the facts were almost 180 degrees different) -- being implicated in the widespread media-distribution of bogus 'extermination camp' photos. H&K was also enlisted by US tobacco firms beginning in the 50s to spin and soft-pedal their knowledge of health risks. H&K was also hired by the logging firms Georgia Pacific, Louisiana Pacific and Pacific Lumber who were engaged in clearcutting California (Humboldt) Redwood forests to counter the successful Earth First! activism campaigns and to 'manage' the FBI's bogus 'terrorist bomber' case against Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney. <br><br>Especially considering how closely the FBI's past and present cointelpro sting-operations (now under a different code-name, and mostly NOT generating hard-copy records which cannot be subpoened) were to protecting corporate interests, one wonders to what extent H&K, Rendon Group and SCL are either CIA/NSA (et al) cut-outs OR closely coordinated with Pentagon/State Dept. on behalf of so-called American Interests and National Security.<br>(The FBI witheld a great deal of Judi Bari bombing evidence for 'National Security' -- tho what that probably really meant was covering-up FBI criminality was essential to National Security (!!!!).<br><br>It DOES stink.<br>And unfortunately, SCL IS very real. It's probably NOT a coincidence they are virtually invisible to search engines. VERY spooky shit.<br><br>Cripes -- Who wouldda thunk the 60s and 70s could become the Good Ol' Days?<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby jingofever » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:28 am

Looking around the SourceWatch website reveals a list of PR firms. Sure enough Hill and Knowlton is there, along with MS & L, the Lincoln Group, Ketchum, Fleishman-Hillard and many others who are involved in the same sort of public opinion manipulation.<br><br>On the SCL website they mention the 'Behavioural Dynamics Institute'. I Googled that and found some David Fellowes fellow. Looking around his website I found an interesting nugget regarding their clients:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So somewhere out there is the insurance group pulled back from the brink of extinction because its partners unexpectedly changed their minds; the government that was given an unprecedented fourth term by the electorate to pursue its policies (no, not Thatcher); the union that willingly agreed to a 25% pay cut for some of its members when a month earlier they had been dead set on a 17% pay rise; and so on.<br>They, happily, know who they are, and that will have to do. If you would like to join their number, call me personally at:<br><br>Tel: +420 233 38 00 91<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I googled 'unprecedented fourth term' and found a news story from 2005 about the Labour party trying for an 'unprecedented fourth term' in office. So, not Thatcher but Blair? Or maybe Roosevelt but that is unlikely. Maybe someone can dig up the company that conned its workers.<br><br>Elsewhere on the website there is an interesting explanation of their methodology. Everyone should check it out, it explains, in broad terms, how they try to influence opinions.<br><br>Relevant links:<br><br>Sourcewatch PR page:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Public_relations_firms">www.sourcewatch.org/index...ions_firms</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>David Fellowes Associates:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.davidfellowesassociates.com/">www.davidfellowesassociates.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Their methodology:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.davidfellowesassociates.com/methodology.html">www.davidfellowesassociat...ology.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby Moddey Screbbagh » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:05 am

a lot of material to sift through here. frightening to skim through sourcewatch and see how many of these companies there are out there (and for all these how many are still below the radar?) that sourcewatch site also had a link to a slate article that sums up SCL pretty well, and obviously it all seems like a parody of orwellian activity. this really does seem to resonate with so much that is now going on, what with the impending bird flu epidemic, our trumped up conflict with iran, and future instructions during the next "natural disaster" from the "emergency broadcast system" to stay at home (or go to the superdome) so that those in the know can more easily get to a truly safe and protected place. "democracy" depends on an informed populace; the manipulation of said democracy is achieved with psyops and disinformation<br><br>here's the slate link:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2126479/">www.slate.com/id/2126479/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=moddeyscrebbagh>Moddey Screbbagh</A> at: 4/29/06 2:07 am<br></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby antiaristo » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:26 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> the government that was given an unprecedented fourth term by the electorate to pursue its policies (no, not Thatcher)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>jingo,<br>That would be John Howard in Australia.<br><br>As an aside, did you know that Australia operates on a "royal prerogative? And that Howard also used the Queen's powers to take Australia into Iraq without a vote in parliament? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: are these guys for real?

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:31 am

I read about these guys last year after the London Bombing..<br><br>Here's a juicy quote from Nigel Oakes:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We used to be in the business of mindbending for political purposes, but now we are in the business of saving lives.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Whatever..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1567090,00.html">observer.guardian.co.uk/b...90,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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