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Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:03 am

*Everyone* here, please go to the Wikipedia article entry at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wor...er_bombing</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> and copy-and-paste the text from the below URL and post it as the Wikipedia article entry on the World Trade Center bombing:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://stateterror.web1000.com/1993-wtc-bombing-wikipedia.txt">stateterror.web1000.com/1...ipedia.txt</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Directions: go to the "edit this page" link at the top of the page of the Wikipedia article entry, clear the text that appears in the form, then paste in the text from the above URL, and post it.<br><br>Why am I asking *everyone* here to do that? For the below reason that I gave at the Talk page (i.e., the "discussion" link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Trade_Center_bombing">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal...er_bombing</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ) for this article entry:<br><br>-----<br><br>Why is Documentation on the FBI's Involvement in the Bombing Being Deleted?<br><br>Obviously there are individuals who greatly dislike people having access to this documentation, i.e., the audio recording and transcript of a conversation between FBI Special Agent John Anticev and FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem, wherein Emad A. Salem admits to building the bomb which exploded in the World Trade Center with the supervision of the FBI and the District Attorney of the City of New York (MP3: [1][2], transcript: [3]). In the recording, FBI Special Agent John Anticev does not disagree with Emad A. Salem's account of the bombing.<br><br>Also being deleted is an external link to the *full text* of the two New York Times articles on the Emad A. Salem recordings: "Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 28, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4 [4]; and "Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 27, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4.[5]<br><br>Certainly the above-said documentation is quite relevant--if not *the most* relevant--to any telling of the 1993 WTC bombing which stakes any claim to giving an accurate account of how the 1993 WTC bombing occured. Of course, it's precisely because said documentation is so devastating to the U.S. government's image that certain individuals are repeatedly deleting it from the Wikipedia article on the WTC bombing.<br><br>Needless to say, such deletions are about as far removed from honest scholarly behavior as one can get. Instead, it's called bowdlerization and censorship: such actions of bowdlerization being used to expunge from the article facts which certain individuals find greatly upsetting and who thus take said actions to try to keep others from seeing this information. 209.208.77.208 05:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)<br><br>[Notes:]<br><br>1. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3">nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>2. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3">nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>3. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html">pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>4. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm">www.freerepublic.com/foru...0e34de.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>5. Ibid.<br><br>-----<br><br>The above documentation has been *repeatedly* deleted by a few individuals without giving any reason (or, rather, I should say only one supposed reason was ever given by only one person: one individual in his post comment said of Wikipedia that "this is not a repository for quotes" at a time when I was posting a short eleven-paragraph transcript of the Anticev and Salem conversation; shortly after that I started posting an article version which still contained links to all the documentation but without any quotes in the article, but the information was still deleted; also note that Wikipedia allows quotes when it is effective in elucidating a particular subject, as in this case; see: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Trade_Center_bombing&action=history">en.wikipedia.org/w/index....on=history</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ), and I have been now been blocked from posting anymore on Wikipedia for trying to maintain the above documentation on the Wikipedia entry on the World Trade Center bombing.<br><br>*Everyone* here, if truth is important to you, then please help to keep this documentation in the Wikipedia entry on the World Trade Center bombing.<br><br>I thank you for your time on this matter in advance. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:14 pm

Well, the Wikipedia Nazis are upset that people are trying to keep documentation on the FBI's involvement in the World Trade Center bombing in the article. See the bottom of the Talk page:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Trade_Center_bombing">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal...er_bombing</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby thoughtographer » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:17 pm

If you would stop throwing around the word "nazi" as a substitute for "asshole", maybe I would pay attention to you. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:25 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>If you would stop throwing around the word "nazi" as a substitute for "asshole", maybe I would pay attention to you.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Why should I? A great deal of Nazi party members never killed anyone with their own hands. Such people were just government bootlickers who stood by the State, right or wrong. The mentality here is the same. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jamesredford>James Redford</A> at: 4/5/06 12:26 pm<br></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby Ike Broflovski » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:33 pm

Well, they've locked the page in response to this thread, but the last section of the entry is titled "FBI involvement in the bombing" and is all about Salem and the FBI, including the 4 links in your post and the "money quote" from Salem ("...and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!") Not sure I see the problem... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby thoughtographer » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:34 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why should I? A great deal of Nazi party members never killed anyone with their own hands. Such people were just government bootlickers who stood by the State, right or wrong. The mentality here is the same.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Okay, I get your point now, I think. You're an idiot? <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:38 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Well, they've locked the page in response to this thread, but the last section of the entry is titled "FBI involvement in the bombing" and is all about Salem and the FBI, including the 4 links in your post and the "money quote" from Salem ("...and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Not sure I see the problem...<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes, as of this moment the article contains the documentation spoken of above, after many, many malicious edits by individuals trying to keep it out of the article. Let us all hope it stays that way. And if it doesn't stay that way, then it would be good for people here who care about the truth to get involved with Wikipedia so that this documentation remains in the article. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jamesredford>James Redford</A> at: 4/5/06 12:45 pm<br></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Okay, I get your point now, I think. You're an idiot?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No, I'm as far removed from an idiot as it is for one to get. Not only do I have a genius IQ level, but I also know how to effectively use my mind when it comes to controversial political issues, i.e., I'm not beholden to the psychological conditioning, propaganda, and indoctrination of the State, as are most minds. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby thoughtographer » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:46 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>No, I'm as far removed from an idiot as it is for one to get. Not only do I have a genius IQ level, but I also know how to effectively use my mind when it comes to controversial political issues, i.e., I'm not beholden to the psychological conditioning, propaganda, and indoctrination of the State, as are most minds.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>You're hilarious! The blinding light of your unencumbered intellect is warping my controlled mind. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:49 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>You're hilarious! The blinding light of your unencumbered intellect is warping my controlled mind.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Your mind was warped long ago, and I wasn't the one who did it. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby thoughtographer » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:51 pm

How did I know you were going to say that? You are a self-parody. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby 4911 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:54 pm

geniuses and non-geniuses, i have a question to all this:<br><br>whoa those audio bytes are superheavy. How can one tell whether this is the real deal or if these two guys googled a few names and are making this up based on that info? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:56 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>How did I know you were going to say that? You are a self-parody.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Such things are often said of people who stick up for the truth. If I were afraid of such fallacious criticisms then I wouldn't be fighting for the truth. <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby thoughtographer » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:59 pm

True, but the same is often said of raving, delusional ego maniacs who get in the way of their own message.<br><br>That being said; fight on. I hope you succeed. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/5/06 1:00 pm<br></i>
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Re: Help With Wikipedia Nazis

Postby James Redford » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:03 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>geniuses and non-geniuses, i have a question to all this:<br><br>whoa those audio bytes are superheavy. How can one tell whether this is the real deal or if these two guys googled a few names and are making this up based on that info?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It very much is the real deal. Those MP3 audio clips come from a WBAI Radio broadcast in the city of New York which aired part of that taped conversation between FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem and FBI Special Agent John Anticev.<br><br>The New York Times published two news articles on the tapes that Emad A. Salem secretly recorded of his conversations with his FBI handlers, of which you can read the full text of both of those articles below:<br><br>"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 28, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4; and "Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 27, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm">www.freerepublic.com/foru...0e34de.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>See also:<br><br>"Who Bombed The World Trade Center? FBI Bomb Builders Exposed," Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash, The Shadow, October 1994/January 1995 Issue:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html">pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p>-------<br><br>"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth">www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf">www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>
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