Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

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Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby rothbardian » Tue May 16, 2006 10:13 pm

<br>I don't know that I'm prepared to defend every statement in this interview excerpt, but I thought it was interesting (and surprising, to me) in light of the fact that this very subject had been debated recently here at the discussion board. <br><br>I do know that this author (Eric Jon Phelps) seems to have a very strong corroboration element to much of what he talks about...and certainly there is something rotten at the core of the Catholic organization, notwithstanding the fact that there are many decent Catholic parishioners and clergy around the world.<br><br>The whole subject of the Jesuit's long history of underhanded shenanigans is another one of those topics that are generally overlooked here at RI (unless I missed it).<br><br>Another complicating factor is Phelps broaching the subject of the Federal Reserve...whose sinister origins and true nature (a complete and utter 'rip off' scam) usually prove to be a very elusive subject for the liberal mindset (which typically loves any centralized control mechanism such as this). <br><br>Anyway...'happy researching' (if you so choose).<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/jesuit_world_control.htm">www.theforbiddenknowledge...ontrol.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?<br>Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early 1900s. He was the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.<br><br>Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical conclusion that the Jesuits sank the Titanic?<br><br>Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the ship, prior to it’s sinking. When we have a powerful organization that is working together, such as the Jesuit Order, and the power that they had prior to their suppression, and that they had never changed, and they are still working toward a World Government under the Pope, we look for the Jesuit Order in these national crises that arise—and in this issue, the Titanic.<br><br>We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where they are at the moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they did.<br><br>They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with their various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright; they always own it through a trusted third party.<br><br>How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance the second “Thirty Years War”—from 1914 to 1945—in which everything that transpired fell out for the benefit of the Vatican, everything.<br><br>Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the Jesuit Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all those who would be going down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown, Ireland, to set out for the North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the ship” in the words of Martin Sheen, who narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.<br><br>It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the Jesuit Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy of the Jesuits.<br><br>The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of a centralized bank in America, particularly John Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of the central bank.<br><br>Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down with the Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your attention on Astor?<br><br>Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the wealthiest man in the world. But he was, most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the world and he was using his wealth NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.<br><br>Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which can be found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor fortune. They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because they wanted his fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the establishment of a national bank. And they do this pursuant to The Secret Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows and other people who resist them.<br><br>And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew. That story revolves around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits killing-off every member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have the fortune when it would be opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris. And the man who held the fortune in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they got rid of Astor.<br><br>Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?<br><br>Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control Hollywood. And, therefore, a lot of the lines were authored by Jesuits.<br><br>One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the table and he said: “People, we’ve got to start thinking differently. We’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. White is black, and black is white.”<br><br>That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola was the founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the people that they believe the hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is white, if the hierarchy says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.<br><br>Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s staff, is approached by an FBI agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him over to their side, that FBI agent says: “There’s going to be millions of people who are going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get away from Garrison. He’s going down with the Titanic.”<br><br>That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison’s investigation, were the same men who sunk the Titanic.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby Sepka » Wed May 17, 2006 2:25 am

Honestly, if the Jesuits wanted to kill John Jacob Astor, I think they would try a more reliable, less flashy way than sinking an entire ocean liner and hoping that he wouldn't get away on a lifeboat.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby rothbardian » Wed May 17, 2006 2:52 am

You could be right about that. Phelps seems to be making the point that they were killing several birds with one stone and that they had a larger agenda overall. I don't know. I would be on the lookout for the ever popular 'protection racket' scenario with any criminal organization, whether Jesuits or the Mafia etc.<br><br>In other words, from the standpoint of the Mafia, for example, there is money to be made in the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>building</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> of a restaurant business (by forcing the utilization of Mafia-owned construction companies). And there is money to be made in the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>destruction</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> of the restaurant (muscle out the legit owner-- burn the restaurant down--collect the insurance). That angle is as old as the hills.<br><br>Something as gigantic as the Titanic undertaking...it would be interesting to know a fuller story if there is one. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby Qutb » Wed May 17, 2006 6:35 am

Thanks for the laugh. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby professorpan » Wed May 17, 2006 11:31 am

This thread has sunk into absurdity. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby robertdreed » Wed May 17, 2006 1:12 pm

oy caramba <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby rothbardian » Wed May 17, 2006 1:12 pm

<br>Mr. Pan-- <br><br>It is "absurd" to simply raise an issue and/or ask a question? I hate to say this, but it sounds like a personal problem.<br><br>Mr. Qutb--<br><br>Your relationship to me so far can only be described as 'hit-and-<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>run for your life'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Pull up a chair. Stay a while. I won't bite. <br><br>I'm a little flabbergasted. You two seem here, to be very deliberately fulfilling all of the worst generalizations that were made about you two over the last couple of days. Why would you do that?<br><br>I am interested in this Jesuit thing. I was interested in this interview. Is this not the right place to hash through something like this?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby professorpan » Wed May 17, 2006 1:45 pm

Roth, <br><br>It's a silly theory. I stand by that. <br><br>Personal problem? Maybe. I do have a personal problem with unsubstantiated rubbish.<br><br>Nothing personal against you, btw, though you seem to want to cast me as a closed-minded debunker. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Was the Titanic Sunk On Purpose?

Postby StarmanSkye » Wed May 17, 2006 2:05 pm

For the life of me, I can't wrap my mind around how the Jesuits could have manipulated the circumstances of the Titanic's sinking -- if one accepts the abundant evidence and conclusion re: the sinking was caused by slamming into an iceberg. <br><br>HOW could the Jesuits have managed to: compel the Captain to 'accidentally' slam into an iceberg, or that the hull steel would have been forged with poor quality control and rendered exceedingly brittle, prone to failure -- OR that an iceberg collision would have produced a tear across several watertight bulkheads causing water-ingress flow beyond capacity of bilge-pumps -- AND that the wealthy-elite crowd wouldn't have managed to secure seats on the too-few and under-capacity-loaded lifeboats, OR that nearby ships wouldn't have arrived in time to distress signals to effect rescue -- Just too many implausabilities here for me to think this is a compelling theory. Kidnapping-abductions, threats and/or targetted assassinations would likely have been sufficient to accomplish the goal of establishing the Federal Reserve franchise. <br><br>What's perhaps more interesting is the assertion that the Jesuits/Vatican remain in active control of the global economy through management/proxy-ownership of the Federal Reserve Banks. IMO, that's an incredibly dense, well-hidden topic with numerous layers of obscurity that is near-impossible to prove, at least beyond speculation.<br><br>That the Federal Reserve has been used to further American global hegemony and a ruthless, destructive, exploitive neoliberal neocolonial policy is undeniable, although essentially unremarked and undebated in the public forum. It forms the basis for America's antagonistic foreign policy, esp. re: energy policy, resource-use, control of markets and militarism.<br><br>What I think this shows is how one can assemble a theory out of snippets of information and speculation, and that contradicts well-established facts. I don't doubt that with equal effort one can make a case that Jesuits/Vatican were behind US corporations and financial interests funding Hitler's military build-up and consolidation of power -- with the intent to precipitate globaL WAR leading to postwar realignment and America's dominant position. But that wouldn't necessarily make the theory compelling.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Jesuits/Titanic

Postby rothbardian » Wed May 17, 2006 2:20 pm

<br><br>Mr. Pan--<br><br>I'm "casting" you as something? This thread had nothing to do with you. What ARE you talking about? I am sincerely interested in the Jesuit thing, and was startled to run into this thing about the Titanic.<br><br>Once again, you simply 'announce' your conclusion. It's just plain crazy. Feel free to back up your assertions. Maybe you can shed some light. I don't have the whole story on the Jesuits.<br><br>It's just bizarre when someone raises a question about something, as I have...and you just slap it down. Where is the calm, quiet, productive exchange of ideas? You have just fulfilled every description that FourthBase has made about you. I don't understand.<br><br>Starman--<br><br>Thanks for your observations. I'll have to think about your comments. Gotta go for now.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits/Titanic

Postby robertdreed » Wed May 17, 2006 2:24 pm

That remotely powered submarine attachment to the iceberg was really something.<br><br>Of course, Philadelphia Experiment technology was used to disappear it shortly thereafter, rendering it impossible to prove- OR TO DISPROVE- its existence for certain. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 5/17/06 12:28 pm<br></i>
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Re: Jesuits/Titanic

Postby thoughtographer » Wed May 17, 2006 2:28 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Of course, Philadelphia Experiment technology was used to disappear it shortly thereafter, rendering it impossible to prove- OR TO DISPROVE- its existence for certain.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yeah, and one of Al Bielek's time clones was on board to telegraph intelligence from the event to himself in the future. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/17/06 12:29 pm<br></i>
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Postby robertdreed » Wed May 17, 2006 2:31 pm

and HAARP/VALIS synchronization was used- the Mark IV model, modified for stealth and undetectability- to beam the Titanic hypothesis into rothbardian's brain. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits/Titanic

Postby rothbardian » Wed May 17, 2006 2:39 pm

<br><br>Wow, some of you are turning this board into freerepublic.com. Please don't tell me you have a Chevy up on blocks in your front yard.<br><br>I'm a little surprised at you, Mr. Reed (is it?). I had the impression you have something of a gentlemanly streak. You endorse this sophomoric hit-and-run stuff?<br><br>Again, why is there a punishment for trying to have a conversation?<br><br>Isn't the criminality of the Jesuits a valid subject? <br><br>OK, now I really gotta go.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits/Titanic

Postby robertdreed » Wed May 17, 2006 2:44 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Isn't the criminality of the Jesuits a valid subject?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I thought we were discussing the hypothesis that the Titanic was sunk by a conspiracy, instead of an iceberg. <br><br>I just watched a documentary on the sinking the other night on television. Now I'm idly wondering if I have more knowledge of the final moments of the Titanic than you do, rothbardian...how much time have you spent investigating the topic? Check out any books on it? Read any historical jornals on the subject? <p></p><i></i>
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