by havanagilla » Thu May 04, 2006 11:59 am
DE, i really don't know what to answer. I was asking if anyone knows this blogger and his sources or interests. (he is linking to RI also). I was curious to find out, cause we were discussing some of those issues here, as well.<br>--<br>I really don't know whether or not Israel has more or less sex slavery (I think it is rated high on the list by the state dept., but then these reports are blind to the US violations, are they not?).<br><br>Perhaps, if you read some of the critique in Israel, about Isael or the Jewish leadership you'd get the impression all of us here are antisemites. don't know. its a different pool, and different fish are swimming, here/there, and of course, nobody in Israel is wary of being malligned as antisemite. <br><br>Naturally, my focus is on the blind spots of my gov/culture, but not only, and my focus shifts when I move to the larger picture. (can you get that ? i suppose so, cause you are doing the same when it comes to criticizing the US). Things are not black and white.<br><br>As for sex slavery/sexual exploitation...its a big social phenomenon here, and YES I think Israel is a dangerous place for women/children in terms of sexual dignity and safety. (compared generally to the west). As for "jewish" practices...how could I know ? There were some articles and books published HERE recently indicating that sex slavery among the Jewish Ashkenazis was rampant way way back, and I did see some of it circulated in Questionable websites (Vangard type). SHould that stop the discussion ? you know my answer. Better have bad people talk than have the social problem alive and hurting people. <br><br>I hate to say that, but all womens' groups here had to resort to not so kosher orgs and :enemies" in order to get the gov to do SOMETHING about the numerous sex slaves from eastern europe who were locked here in brothels and houses, like animals. can't prompt them any other way, so it seems.<br>And people like former MK SHula Aloni ( a human rights activist) went and gave an interview to a hostile arab newspaper, calling our minister of defense a murderer of children. In your standards, this is "supporting" liable, but really I don't think this is an issue anymore. <br><br>Actually, I think that your arguments against my sincere attempts to study isseus "in th dark" (re israel and even re nazis and antisemites) are also antisemitic in that you apply a different standard to me, just because I am Jewish/Israel. I have a right to be as inquisitive and as suspicious re my gov as you so, re yours, without being constantly attacked for it and having to prove I am not from the stormfront. Even I make some mistakes along the way, finding out who is who, that's no different than your, specifically yours, trial and error inquiries into YOUR gov, people, and "ancient practices". Why, I haven't heard anyone here blame you from recycling dangerous "antiamerican" garbage that feeds the enemies of the free world, though I am sure some of those people are feasting on it. Lets just settle this. I am trying, no less than ayone else here, to see the power mechanisms and the corruption that is infesting my gov, which is now involved with other govts mainly the US but not only. regretfully, as is the case with the USA for instance, or UK or RUssia, some of those in power are not very nice, they also allign with not so very nice ad "jew loving" forces; and some of their control mechanisms are in practice for a long time (religious guilt controls, fear based control by xenophobia and false pretense to be doing their money "for the good of all". ). Sex slavery has roots in religion of course, both Jewish and Moslem, as women are "commodities" under the laws. I am not sure about CHrisianity, have no knowledgem but i think it was monogamous from the start ? don't know really. But yes, my culture, since men were allowed and encouraged to marry as many women, and "concubines" (another status under the Jewish law) as they wished, were "trading" in females, as of a young age, since women were "betrothed" or trafficked from a young age, under financial agreements between families and tribes. I am SURE, that sociologically speaking, one CAN trace sex slavery in Jewish culture, as it was sanctioned, with some reservations and protections. Basicaly, slavery is allowed in jewish law.<br>--<br>You can do your own revisionism re your culture (US was established on SLAVERY and RAPE, that's very very true and perhaps it still is rampant its for you to examine). I have to do mine. And again, stifling critique with this kind of insinuation is not a positive influence on my country, or its politics. I might have made some mistakes in judgement and I usually reported my "revelations" (as in "Oh my god they ARE nazis)...but every free, lively, constructive discussion must be free to make mistakes, or else one learns nothing. Since this board is for learning purposes, I find it a good place to make my beginners' mistakes and grow out of them, becoming more clear, discriminating, and dissillusioned.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>