Madcow links Goss resignation to 5.5 ton coke siezure

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:47 am

I don't frequent Madcow Morning News overmuch, and I haven't seen this discussed here, so I thought I'd see if anyone else here has anything to say about this: <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/05252006.html">www.madcowprod.com/05252006.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Goss’ resignation appears to be connected to the unprecedented withholding by the Federal Aviation Administration of the registration records for the DC9 (N900SA) which more than six weeks ago was caught carrying a cargo of five-and-a-half tons of cocaine, neatly packed into 126 identical black suitcases at a jungle airstrip in the Yucatan. At the time of the plane’s seizure on April 11, FAA officials stated the aircraft’s title records would become available to reporters within two weeks. Six weeks later that statement, in a phrase famous from the Watergate Scandal, has been rendered “inoperative.” However, the MadCowMorningNews was successful in obtaining the FAA records last week of the confiscated plane’s sister ship, an identical twin DC9 (N120NE) owned and operated by the same partnership. Both aircraft, painted to resemble U.S. Government aircraft from the Department of Homeland Security, were parked for several years at the general aviation terminal at Clearwater St Petersburg International Airport. The registration records reveal that the past 'owners' of "Cocaine One's" identical twin are well-known 'front' companies of America's Central Intelligence Agency. The twin to the DC9 bursting with 5.5 tons of cocaine is a CIA plane. <hr></blockquote> If the story's valid, it's definately Jeff Wells-Country...

by **Byrne** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:44 am

I haven’t read the Citizenspook blog before, & I am uncertain as to the veracity of Daniel Hopsicker’s or Citizenspook’s claims, but one thing is for certain - there is definitely a internal war amongst those researching ‘911 Truth’ being instigated. I suspected that this would happen the closer the awful facts of complicity becomes/became more mainstream. The article seems to stack up. Any thoughts? From <a href="http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2006/05/daniel-hopsicker-is-government-mole.html" target="top">here</a>, Citizenspook has the following to say : (links therein) <hr /> DANIEL HOPSICKER IS THE GOVERNMENT MOLE MESSIAH OF 911 TRUTH DAMAGE CONTROL I haven't written about 911 before in this blog. So let me state what I believe has already been proved by the physical, scientific, testimonial -- repressed -- evidence: the US Government pulled off the 911 tragedy to further its own goals of reshaping the global power grid in favor of their interests. It's the greatest crime ever perpetrated. And the genius elements of the Government who were charged with the 911 task certainly anticipated that their would be a 911 truth movement. They, more than any of us, knew that they had a very small window under which they could remain safe from public scientific media scrutiny. They knew they could whitewash 911 for a couple of years, but eventually the massive truth would come down on them in this information age. After all, you can't effectively spin things like "scale" and "physics" let alone eyewitness reports. The stakes were just too huge to ignore the ability of truth to come to the fore. So the Government prepared their antidotes well in advance of 911. This is the Citizenspook take and the following attack on Daniel Hopsicker's credibility is intended to expose his reporting on 911 as a black psy op of damage control. And I must applaud the intelligence involved with this operation. It was planned before 911. It's first strike came in September 2001 and it has continued to grow under the excellent handling of an incredibly talented group of operatives charged with taking the sting out of the real 911 truth movement. Let me warn you, the following argument, while simple to grasp, must not be judged until the punchline at the very end. Thank you for your patience while reading this. Last week I became aware of Daniel Hopsicker's recent article regarding the intricate web connecting Mohammad Atta with a local Venice, Florida convenience store owner by the name of Makram Chams. Atta hung out at Chams' convenience store many times before 911. Hopsicker originally wrote about this connection back in 2005. Last week a new development tied Chams to Titan Corporation: "San Diego defense contractor Titan Corporation, already implicated in the fraudulent bankruptcy of a shadowy St. Petersburg FL company which owned the DC9 "Cocaine One" flight busted in Mexico, employed a Lebanese contractor who assisted Mohamed Atta and other terrorist hijackers in Venice, Florida." From Hopsicker's Mad Cow report. http://www.madcowprod.com/05172006.html I was fascinated by Hopsicker's articles which make a very convincing case that the CIA was involved in assisting the so called 911 hijackers obtain flight training. SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SERIES OF ARTICLES AND MAY BE SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD ASKING -- WHY WOULD SOMEBODY IMPLICATE THE CIA IF THEY WERE A GOVERNMENT MOLE MESSIAH OF 911 TRUTH DAMAGE CONTROL? And I have to admit, while reading Hopsicker's report, my first concept was to simply copy it word for word, supply a link and credit the man for being a brave patriot. But the very last section of his report left me bewildered: "But you won't find much about any of this on the innumerable websites of the '9.11 Truth Movement.' Most seem to be utterly fascinated currently with speculation about materials which might have been secreted inside the Twin Towers which could have made them collapse. They used to utterly fascinated with proving that no plane hit the Pentagon. Before that there were utterly fascinated with the idea that the planes were flown by remote control. And on and on." [The grammar mistakes and emphasis are his, not mine.] Red flags fell from the heavens on the Citizenspook bullshit detector. How could anybody as smart and savvy as Hopsicker be so "certain" that the twin towers were not laced with explosives? How could anybody with even half a brain look at the Pentagon footage and not have serious questions about what hit the Pentagon? You must have questions if you have a brain at all. We're not all going to agree on what we saw. But we must have questions. So what gives? My first impulse was to do a Google news search and see if this story was hitting the Google "news" search engine? Unless you're in China, anything will show up in the Google "web" search engine, but for a write up to hit the Google "news" search engine, it must have some clout. Many huge blogs do not show up in Google's "news" search, but sure enough Hopsicker's fledgling blog reports from -- http://MADCOWPROD.com -- do show up in the Google news search. http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&t...sicker%20chams This, by itself, does not prove anything. But it led me to have a look further into Hopsicker's background. Was this guy some unknown the main stream media could label "conspiracy theorist"? I was curious because anybody classifiable as such usually does not show up in the Google search engine. I then learned that Hopsicker comes form the main stream media. He's one of their very own. Daniel Hopsicker was a producer at Wall Street Week for PBS, he's the former executive producer of the NBC show Global Business, and he's been an investigative reporter for NBC News. Very interesting. Somewhere in time, Hopsicker's beat turned from finance to Government involvement in drug smuggling. Again, this would -- at first glance -- appear to make him legit. And that is exactly what those reports were intended to do. His so called exposes on the Clinton Bush crime families' involvement with the Mena airstrip -- Barry & 'the Boys' : The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History was published when?--- anybody? anybody? Bueller? Anybody? you guessed it -- Septemebr 2001. Gee wiz, just in time to get him legit for his coming mission. Then in 2004 he published Welcome to Terrorland : Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida . Hopsicker's role in Government 911 truth damage control is to appear as if he's a staunch Government/CIA critic. It's hard to attack a guy for being in league with the Devil when he's one of the most extreme critics of the Devil, right? And if Hopsicker had simply kept his mouth shut about the rest of the 911 truth movement we'd never know he was a mole. So why is Hopsicker going out of his way to mock the rest of the 911 truth movement? If he'd just kept his mouth shut and avoided attacking the rest of the 911 truth movement -- a movement which gravely concerns those responsible -- then Hopsicker's credibility would be virtually unassailable. But Hopsicker could not keep his mouth shut because it's his purpose in this grand game to use his long planned "911 truth credibility" as a bastion of destruction for the "other 911 truth movement which is not sanctioned by the Government. HOPSICKER IS A DAMAGE CONTROL MOLE MESSIAH FOR THE GOVERNMENT. At this very moment in time they are getting him ready for the major talk show circuit. They are grooming him as the atom bomb to destroy the 911 truth movement and the seeds of this destruction were sewed in an article written by Hopsicker for Onlinejournal.com back on November 7, 2001. Before I get into the evidence, let me state with authority what Hopsicker's role unequivocally is: DANIEL HOPSICKER'S REPORTING ON ATTA, CHAMS, TITAN, GOSS AND THE FLIGHT TRAINING ACTIVITIES NEAR VENICE FLORIDA WILL EXPOSE A CIA OPERATION WHICH AIDED THE SO CALLED 911 TERRORISTS IN A BUNGLED CIA ATTEMPT TO INFILTRATE AL QUEDA. The key word being "bungled". The CIA will become the fall guy and will be implicated in a cover up of epic proportions. The story will unfurl as follows: THE CIA ATTEMPTED TO INFILTRATE AL QUEDA USING DRUGS AND MAFIA CONNECTIONS AS COVER BUT THE CIA BLACK OP WENT VERY WRONG AND ENABLED THE HIJCAKERS TO PULL OFF 911 WITH THE UNWITTING HELP OF THE CIA. That's it. And it partially explains the "alleged" infighting between government spy divisions. As it plays out, you will be told about the CIA attempting to control information and stop the world from knowing about its "bungled" attempt to infiltrate Al Queda. This will be the sanctioned story which will spread throughout the main stream media in the coming months and it will also be the nutron bomb intended to destroy the genuine 911 truth movement. Do I have proof for this theory? Of course. All you have to do is go back to November 7, 2001 and read what Hopsicker wrote for onlinejournal.com in his article titled: WAS THE CIA RUNNING A TERRORIST FLIGHT SCHOOL? "Was the CIA running a covert, or black, operation out of the Venice Airport? Might they have been training pilots for bin Laden in an effort to penetrate his organization that went more-than-just-slightly-horrifically awry?" "horrfically awry" ---- remember that phrase. http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...ct=c lnk&cd=1 The article was only found using the Google cahe option. Note that Hopsicker isn't, and has never, alleged that the Government "intended" 911 to happen. He alleges that the Government was involved by accident and this is the distinction between the truth and the reality. If the CIA aided the terrorists by accident while trying to infiltrate them, then, of course, they would try to cover that up. But as the story unfurls, understand that a "bungling keystone cops concept" of the CIA's involvement is a much different animal than a concept which alleges that the Government pulled off 911 with malice aforethought. Hopsicker's Nov. 2001 article finishes as follows: "Frankly, we can’t differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing," Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff told the Senate Banking Committee hearings about the terrorists’ money trail in the aftermath of the Sept 11 disaster. Terrorist groups have been implicated in the $360 billion a year international narcotics trade, directed by organized crime, says Judge Thierry Cretin of the European Anti-Fraud Office. As recently as six weeks ago, crime families were being seen as particularly important for terrorist groups involved in the acquisition and transport of arms, like in the case of a Jersey City man, accused of attempting to smuggle Stinger missiles out of the country to Osama bin Laden, who is now reportedly helping federal agents investigating the Sept 11 terrorist attacks. If the deal he got caught doing was typical, insiders say, it was oil and heroin up front for guns and training. Oil and heroin upfront for arms and training. Now there’s a story we haven’t heard about yet in the roiling skies above the terrorist flight schools on the Gulf Coast of Florida. " He's got this concept down -- A CIA BUNGLED ATTEMPT TO INFILTRATE AL QUEDA WENT HORRIFICALLY AWRY RESULTING IN 911 DISASTER AND COVER UP -- since all the way back in November, 2001. And isn't it amazing how the story has continued to blossom for Hopsicker right up until yesterday, May 25, 2006, when he published the following article: "PORTER GOSS RESIGNATION MYSTERY SOLVED: DC 9 WITH 5.5 TONS OF COCAINE WAS CIA PLANE." http://www.madcowprod.com/05252006.html This Hopsicker, a regular 911 Nostradamus. He's the Messiah of Government 911 damage control. You heard it here first at Citizenspook. http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/200...ole.html#links

by **Qutb** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:18 am

"I then learned that Hopsicker comes form the main stream media. He's one of their very own." At least we know who he is. Who is Citizenspook? Besides, the criteria for being one of "them" have gotten awfully inclusive... It seems CS's credibility test is the extent to which someone has been "labeled a conspiracy theorist". I guess that makes David Icke and Texe Marrs the most credible people in the world. And I suppose Greg Palast is one of "their very own", as he works for the BBC.

by **chiggerbit** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:50 am

[The grammar mistakes and emphasis are his, not mine.] CS should talk: And the genius elements of the Government who were charged with the 911 task certainly anticipated that their would be a 911 truth movement. And, frankly, I get tired of the "logic" that says, "If you aren't with us, you are against us." Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 6/2/06 9:54 am

by **sunny** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:52 am

I trust CS on this issue more than Hopsicker for the simple reason that CS always provides citations, legal and media- something Hopsicker never does.

by **albion** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:41 pm

Hopsicker could sometimes use an editor, and it's entirely possible that he's jumped the gun with his "Goss resignation SOLVED" theory, but Citizen Spook's case against him is very weak - basically a series of free-floating suspicions and unsubstantiated allegations.

by **StarmanSkye** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:34 pm

Albion said: "... but Citizen Spook's case against him is very weak - basically a series of free-floating suspicions and unsubstantiated allegations." Ditto; I too find this whole 'if you aren't with us you're against us' thing obnoxious; it's reprehensible and irresponsible. Didn't Citizen Spook push some half-baked notion himself, like No Plane at the WTC? I especially detest the whole smarmy, holier-than-thou tenor of Citizen Spook's hit-piece against Hopsicker. I don't for one minute buy the 'CIA-infiltration ploy gone horribly awry' that CS claims is Hopsicker's thesis. I think folks are smart enough to make their own connections and assumptions based on Hopsicker's evidence of a high degree of official duplicity and intrigue by America's military/intelligence organizations. In any event, I don't agree with the thesis here that Hopsicker's findings are in any way damaging to the 911 Truth Movement, which IMO in whole is far more diverse and resilient than he apparently thinks. Starman

by **LyingDicist** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:52 am

Who's Citizen Spook? Who really knows his background or agenda? Seems like he's trying to discredit Hopsicker at a time when he's making most interesting dot connections to this coke bust, 9/11, Iran-Contra....the whole unfied field theory of international dope and arms dealing. What I find interesting is that AP broke the original story....but has not followed up at all on it. The entire MSM has taken a walk on it too. Why? We are talking a $500MM bust on a corporate jet dressed up to look like an official US plane, owned by people connected to this administration and the MIC. The FAA seems to be blocking the ownership documentation, too. The fact that they are avoiding it like the plague, not even to debunk it, tells me that Hopsicker is on to one of the most important stories since the BCCI scandel. No way is Hopsicker a mole for the CIA...but I wonder about the timing of CS's posting.

by **StarmanSkye** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:47 am

Lyingdicist: Check-out CS's blog @ <a href="http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/">citizenspook.blogspot.com/</a> He used to post prolifically on the Fitzgerald Libby/Plame 'leak' investigation and GJ indictment. I've read that he claimed Bush, Cheney and Rove had been indicted for violating secrecy laws protecting the identity of covert agents, but haven't confirmed it myself. He has argued some important related issues on that topic, esp. re: the 4th Branch of Government, which is the power and authority of We, The People to oversee Gov. officials and hold them accountable before law, independent of interference by Judicial Branch officials -- Thus leading to his sharp observation/suggestion that the Prosecuter overseeing the Grand Jury meeting to consider Rove's culpability may have decided, or been ordered by Gonzalez, to simply not sign the GJ Presentment -- yet another Constitutional Crisis under effective gag-rule by the Bush-corrupted Federal Courts. Spooks' timing here in damning Hopsicker sure IS odd, considering the virtual MSM lockdown on the whole 5.5 ton cocaine bust deal -- mirroring several past big-profile busts where an apparant CIA drug-smuggling op was 'accidently' busted by DEA, FBI, or 'other' law enforcement. Note that Hopsicker's 'CIA infiltration ops gone horribly awry' that CS quotes as 'proof' that Hopsicker is a spook-mole was something he suggested some 4 1/2 years ago -- only 2 months after 911. Hell, I didn't begin to see the light on it being an inside job till at least 6-7 mos after 911. I'm not sure just WHAT Hopsicker's best-guess take is -- frankly, I haven't been interested enough even to find out. My take is that Atta and the gang were following a script written deep in the Pentagon, being groomed with backstory and incentive to be unwitting fall-guy patsies in a false-flag project in the tradition of the JFK coup and the Oswald-cover. My intuition is that Hopsicker leans the same way -- after all, that's what the damning evidence trail the CIA/NSA types have bent over backwards to obscure suggest. IF Hopsicker presents a 'CIA drug/weapons etc. infiltration gone awry' scheme to the MSM, it MAY be because that watered-down version, as ugly as it is, is the only story that might get past the MSM editorial/management board. But even then, enough of the truth will remain to further open the doors that have remained tightly-shut till now. But I don't think the PTB would allow even such a watered-down tale implicating the CIA in helping to 'cause' 911 to recieve wide play. It would encourage too many ackward, potentially fatal questions to be asked. It's not that big a jump from accepting CIA negligence to a deliberate self-inflicted provocation. Cripes, most of the nation now knows the prestext for Iraq invasion was bogus. I'm not saying that's what WILL happen or what Hopsicker is driving for -- only throwing it out as a what-if to keep in mind. Starman

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:01 am

Can someone tell me what citizenspook's got to do with this all-but-ignored story about the CIA plane? I could care less about citizenspook or the people he/she/they attack..

by **DrDebugDU** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:36 am

> Can someone tell me what citizenspook's got to do with this all-but-ignored story about the CIA plane? He was send in to kill the CIA plane story. Frankly, I'm getting tired of reading about CS. His agenda is clear now and the weird things in the past make a lot of sense now as well. (Things liek when he supposedly hacked and stuff like that) Back to the Coke story which is once again being hidden (kinda rehashing what I wrote on another board) The interesting part is not only that this bust goes straight to the top of the CIA, the funny thing is that it ties in with the flight schools of 9/11 and the stories/indications that Mohamed Atta et al. were drugs-smugglers-in-training. Let's just speculate and assume that both discoveries of Hopsicker are correct, because that gives rise to a much more interesting perspective. Dekkers bought his flight school around the same time as Atta et al. were moving to Florida from Germany where they were under suspicion for some drugs related issues. It sounds more like there a couple of guys in Germany who did pretty well there, so it was probably time to let them do the real stuff. Let's assume that the plans for Atta et al. didn't work out as expected or that they didn't seem to be the proper material for real spook smuggling, so their operation was cancelled. Other operations on Venice continued as usual of course. Around the same time there was Operation Planes which was going pretty well except that they needed the setup the patsies. The first group of patsies were easy and turned out to be Arabs who are stil alive, however you also need leaders of the group and characters with a whole story attached to them, so who would you use? The Arab team training in Venice? Let's fast forward five years. Suddenly somebody investigating 9/11 discovers that there is a drugs bust at Venice airport which is beautifully hidden from the media and also connects to the top of the spooks. What if people find the connections between the two events. Better move in a disinformation effort and from the looks of things it's working great, because we are all talking about the distraction. Connect the Dekkers/Atta team with this coke bust and the story will become a lot more interesting. Also from a MIHOP perspective. So who is investigating this? Only Daniel Hopsicker... DAMN! Please note all the above is speculative and is not proven, but merely a view of what could have been possible. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 6/3/06 6:39 am

by **chiggerbit** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:12 am

Atta came to the US from Germany and Dekkers was Dutch, wasn't he? I wonder if they had any connections in Europe before they ever came to the US. Sunny's right, though, Hopsicker needs to provide citation, link to copies of documents, etc. <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0212/S00058.htm">www.scoop.co.nz/stories/H...S00058.htm</a> <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/01312005.html">www.madcowprod.com/01312005.html</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 6/3/06 8:30 am

by **DrDebugDU** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:27 am

Dekkers was from Rotterdam as well. The world's biggest hub of cocaine distribution and he was lacking experience to run a commuter airline and training facilities. Rudi Dekkers also had associates in Germany and Switzerland according to the story below. Here is a magnificent post from somebody who took a closer look at Hopsicker's story as well. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> You want small planes? March 5, 2005 <a href="http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/Small_planes_indeed.html">home.planet.nl/~reijd050/...ndeed.html</a> For some reason, many people who read 'Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself' tend to think I'm largely supporting the official story of what happened on 9/11. Well, I don't, so let's take a look at what I think is one of the most important aspect of 9/11 that needs to be investigated further. Debunking stupid theories is only step one; pointing back in least one of the more productive directions is an important second step. As many of you will know, Israeli intelligence is suspected by many to have had a connection to the 9/11-WTC event. What less people seem to be aware of is that Atta's closest associates were Dutch, German, Austrian, and to a lesser extent French. Atta (pilot flight 11), Marwan Al-Shehhi (pilot flight 175), and Siad Jarrah (pilot flight 93) were all located at the small Venice Airport in Miami, stationed with two Dutch flight school instructors, Rudi Dekkers and Arne Kruithof. Zacarias Moussaoui, the supposed 20th hijacker, was also stationed at Venice Airport while Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a candidate for 20th hijacker, was on his way. Hijackers Ahmed Alghamdi and Majed Moqed have also lived in the Venice area and hung out with the Mohammed Atta crowd. Obviously, it is crucial to find out what was going on at this airport. Luckily, one researcher went to investigate and found out quite a bit. That researcher is Daniel Hopsicker. If we summarize his information to the extreme it basically comes down to the following: Rudi Dekkers didn't own his flight school. A retired businessman, Wally Hilliard, did. He had hired Dekkers and was financially backing him all the time. Hilliard was a very obscure businessman who owned a fleet of several dozen Learjets that were flying unsupervised all over the world. At least some of these planes were used for the smuggle of heroin and gold is a likely other candidate. Atta's former girlfriend told how all of Mohammed's buddies already had pilot's licenses from overseas and how most of them were using cocaine. When they ran out they just went over to Kruithof's flight school and got some new stuff. In addition, Atta, Dekkers, and Hilliard could get away with ignoring basic FAA rules and even a large heroine bust didn't affect Hilliard. At one point, someone who inquired about Dekkers was warned: "He's bigger than national. He's transnational... stay away from him." Right now it seems obvious that the most important questions are: A) Who are Wally Hilliard's business and intelligence associates? B) Who are Rudi Dekkers' business and intelligence associates? C) Who are Arne Kruithof's business and intelligence associates? D) Who brought these would-be hijackers together at the Venice Airport? And the answer is: More research needs to be done. Descriptions of Hilliard by people close to him go like: "Nobody knows for sure who Wally works for" and "Wally was manipulated by somebody with a lot of power... he was blackmailed." Luckily, Hopsicker has found at least some of his closest associates. He has documented how Hilliard is connected to several very interesting persons. The ones that stuck in my mind are Bill Clinton, Yeslam Bin Laden, Jerry Falwell, and a person named Mark Shubin. Bill Clinton used to call up Hilliard at his home once in while. Yeslam Bin Laden, a half brother of Osama who runs the family company from Switzerland, is known to have sent some of his people from a company he owned, Avcon Air Charter, to Dekkers' Huffman Aviation, supposedly for 'pilot training.' Hilliard made a one million dollar loan to Falwell, which he seemingly doesn't have to pay back. It's important to note that falwell is a very close friend of cult leader Sun Myung Moon, who thinks he's here to finish the work of Jesus. He's bad and is part of an worldwide crime syndicate, run by intelligence. Arnaud de Borchgrave and Alexander Haig are other close friends of his. Let's keep it at that. Mark Shubin, one of Hilliard's closest business partners, was the son of a KGB colonel who was caught spying for the US. According to Shubin himself, his family was traded out together with Gary Powers in 1960, the U2 pilot who was shot down above the USSR. Shubin then went to work for the CIA, flying U2 spy planes. At some point he also flew for the Israeli Air Force and there are claims that he works for the Russian mafia and has flown around president Putin of Russia at some point. In addition, one of Wally's accountants for Huffman Aviation became married to the daughter of an influential KGB family. And last but not least, associates of Hilliard have told Hopsicker how this person illegally flew in and out of Cuba to hand out bags of gold presidential Rolex watches to bribe people within Castro's inner circle. The Bushes with their 3 generations of ties to the international elite, have also been implicated in the 9/11 event. The local police chief in Venice told Hopsicker how within 24 hours all his files on Rudi Dekkers were loaded in 2 Ryder trucks and brought onto a C-130 cargo plane. A really interesting detail: Jeb Bush himself was on board, according to the police chief. And, of course, Marvin Bush's company, Securacom, arranged the security at the World Trade Center complex, United Airlines, and Dulles Airport. A further, but more indirect link is Neil Bush, who, like other members of the Bush family, was in questionable business with Kenneth Good. Good was a business partner of the earlier mentioned Shubrin. More research is needed, but it's obvious the Bushes have a thing or two to hide. One of Dekkers' associates, Hopsicker found out, was Dietrich Reinhardt, formerly a close associate of Barry Seal and a person heavily involved in Iran-Contra. But the questions posted earlier are still far from answered. What did Shubrin mean when he said to Hopsicker: "Wally was manipulated by somebody with a lot of power... he was blackmailed." To make a very long story short, which still is far from complete, there are a few indications, mentioned by Hopsicker and later researchers as Alex Constantine, that Hilliard is in business with Adnan Khashoggi and Saudi intelligence (through a raw material and energy company called Oryx and some Bahama business). It would be great if these links can be shown in more detail (and with decent sources), because that could mean quite a breakthrough in determining the big picture behind 9/11. Why? Because in the end it will turn out that Wally Hilliard and his business associates are part of what some have called the Fascist international. EIR refers to it as the Synarchy International. How this group precisely operates, nobody seems to know at this point. In the past decades, many researchers have talked about the smuggle of heroin, gold, diamonds, weapons, and the obsession of the oligarchical families of the west to remain control over the raw materials in the world. This permanent network consists of the international banking systems, the largest multinationals and law firms, the military-industrial complex, the royal and noble families of Europe, the eastern establishment, and the international intelligence agencies. In my opinion, if we want to understand who was behind 9/11, we need to know a lot more about organizations like Le Cercle. In this case, we are talking about a group set up by Otto von Habsburg, which brings together an obscure international group of intelligence operatives and globalist insiders. Rockefeller, Kissinger, and Zbigniew Brzezinski have all been there, the latest head of the dynastic Cecil family has been there, just as all the heads of Europe's intelligence agencies. For the past few decades the group has been headed by Zionist Privy Councilors who work to maintain the British empire. Today, the group is headed by a long time Rothschild employee. Even though most members of the group are still unknown, it has already been established that these people have been accused/involved in every major conspiracy since WWII: Paperclip, the birth of the "permanent war economy" or the military-industrial complex, the birth of psychological warfare, the JFK assassination, Mockingbird, Operation Mongoose, Operation Northwoods, Operation Ajax and other coups, Iran Contra, Iraq Gate, Operation Lock, the Stay Behind networks (Gladio), the BCCI scandal, and almost certainly the 2001 Anthrax scare. And members like Prince Turki Al-Faisal or Henry Kissinger undoubtedly can tell a whole lot about what actually happened on 9/11. Remember, the network these hijackers came from did extend far beyond the borders of the United States. As mentioned before, Atta's closest associates were Dutch, German, Austrian, French, Saudi, etc. Arne Kruithof and Rudi Dekkers also had associates in Germany and Switzerland. An extensive article about Le Cercle and similarly important groups can be found here: <a href="http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/Le_Cercle.htm">home.planet.nl/~reijd050/...Cercle.htm</a> <a href="http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/Small_planes_indeed.html">home.planet.nl/~reijd050/...ndeed.html</a> <hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 6/3/06 8:49 am

by **DrDebugDU** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:15 am

> I wonder if they had any connections in Europe before they ever came to the US. There are quite a lot of open questions and I think that Venice airport requires more than one person looking at it. > Sunny's right, though, Hopsicker needs to provide citation, link to copies of documents, etc. Hopsicker already provided some stuff, however he does need to source his stories better and tend to start with a conclusion with facts who only lead halfway towards to the conclusion, but hey that's his juicy journalism style. So I prefer to read his stories by the facts and not the juicy conclusions. Excellent links BTW. I think there are many open questions which need to answered. * What was the connection between Atta and Dekkers prior to their Venice excursion * Atta was connected with "petty drugs crime" in Germany, however it wasn't petty and it was more or less overlooked. That doesn't sound like unorganized crime, but organized crime a.k.a spooks. * What were they doing in Venice. Somehow I don't think that they were training for terrorism, so what was the operation and why was it canceled? * Why did Jeb Bush personally cleanup the Venice stuff? * We already know that the flight school and Titan Corporation had relations and that Makram Chams who got busted with the coke flight previously assisted Mohamed Atta during his stay in Venice. So the first links have already been discovered. Are there more? Can it be properly sourced and validated? P.S. One of the main reasons why this stuff can be extremely important is because either Al-Qaeda did it or another agency. Which agency has the most practical experience with urban terrorism? Is it the Coke Import Agency? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 6/3/06 9:28 am

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:54 pm

Excellent. Thanks for bringing this discussion back to life.

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