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conspiracy theories of yore

Postby jingofever » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:26 am

Does anybody know of a reference site or book that discusses conspiracy theories that people believed in, in past centuries? I know Americans in the 19th century and beyond often believed in a Masonic conspiracy and stretching back a few centuries prior to now a lot of people believed in a Jewish conspiracy, but what else?<br><br>I want to get a flavor how they interpreted the world's events, not how a historian sees them now. But I am afraid most of these beliefs are lost in time, like most of ours today will be. Historians just don't care about these things, which is too bad because even if they are not true, it shows a facet of society that doesn't come through with their usual focus on politicians and generals and German composers.<br><br>I will hazard a prediction that the prevalence of 'normal' people's thoughts, what with the internet, will lead to the common man approach to history becoming more popular. Contrasting this approach with current popular ones will show how little we know about previous centuries. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conspiracy theories of yore

Postby havanagilla » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:59 am

at present they are trying to shut down alternative blogs/movements. in the past they killed the subversive historians, or exiled them, and burnt the books/scrolls. BUt sometimes, historians discover alternative explanations through correspondence and libraries that kept copies of subverstive literature or evidence. I believe that usually the truth does emerge, but in a delayed manner, so that its political edge is not so sharp anymore. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conspiracy theories of yore

Postby Iroquois » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:03 am

After Rome burned in the first century AD, many Romans suspected that Nero had orderd the fires started to make room for the massive palace and public buildings that were built over the ashes. This theory was supported by rumors that agents of Nero were seen going about the city on the night the fires started bearing torches. Nero, offered an alternate conspiracy theory that the fires had been started by the Christians. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conspiracy theories of yore

Postby NewKid » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:15 am

The fires were started by some malfunctioning diesel generators and a cow that accidentally tipped over a lantern. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conspiracy theories of yore

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:50 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I believe that usually the truth does emerge, but in a delayed manner, so that its political edge is not so sharp anymore.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So 2100 years later, do we find the political edges dull enough to glean any truth from things? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conspiracy theories of yore

Postby OpLan » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:06 am

heres an expensive book I've been dreaming of maybe one day owning myself..only covers the last 230 years in America<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.art.man.ac.uk/english/staff/pk/research/Encyclopedia/outline.html" target="top">Conspiracy Theories in American History: An Encyclopedia</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>.."is a two-volume, 500,000-word illustrated reference work to be published by ABC-CLIO in 2004. The encyclopedia is a scholarly survey of the history and present of political conspiracy theories in the USA, and is largely intended for college, community college, academic high school, government and municipal libraries"<br><br>"The realm of conspiracy theory has exploded since the 1960s, not least with Watergate and the other revelations of institutional conspiracy that emerged in the 1970s and 80s. In recent years many books have appeared on conspiracy theories. These often take the form of mass-market paperback compendia of (in the title of one of these collections) “the greatest conspiracies all time,” which aim to cash in on the seemingly insatiable public demand for sensationalistic rehashings of the same cluster of contemporary conspiracy theories. There have also been countless popular works of conspiratorial revelation which are often unduly credulous, on topics such as the Kennedy assassination and alien invasion. Opposing this tide of work (which encompasses both fringe publications and respectable investigative journalism), there have been a raft of debunkings of conspiracy theories by skeptics. There have also been half a dozen or so academic books in the last decade on the topic, but generally these also only deal with the contemporary period, and are mainly confined to delineating and explaining the popularity of conspiracy thinking in recent culture. So far there has been no comprehensive, scholarly treatment of the subject from the colonial period to the present. <br>The “Encyclopedia of American Conspiracy Theories” will bring together this wide range of writing, and offer a clear and well-referenced path through the often murky waters of speculation and rumor. In addition to presenting both a sober explication of contemporary conspiracy theories and summaries of the differing explanations for their appeal, it will also contain a broad range of topics from the whole span of American history. It will primarily concentrate on American topics, but will also include important items from the wider international scene (such as the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”) which have captured American public attention, or have impinged on US history. Reflecting popular usage, the encyclopedia will use a wide definition of “conspiracy theory” to encompass both suspicions which are almost certainly true and those which are almost certainly false. All contributions will be written by established academics, graduate students working within the field, or journalists with particular expertise on selected topics."<br><br><br>heres the 'Board of Advisors'<br><br>David Brion Davis <br>Sterling Professor of History, Yale <br><br>Gordon S. Wood <br>Alva O. Way University Professor and Professor of History, Brown University <br><br>Richard King <br>Professor of History, University of Nottingham, UK <br><br>Berndt Ostendorf <br>Professor of American Studies, University of Munich <br><br>Douglas Kellner <br>George F. Kneller Philosophy of Education Chair in Social Sciences Comparative Education, UCLA <br><br>If anyone has this book..do you think it is worth the asking price?(around $180) <p></p><i></i>
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do you think it is worth the asking price?(around $180)

Postby * » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:06 am

<br><br>you can get it for $59.95 at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1576078124/104-6558217-4705568?v=glance&n=283155">Amazon</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>no reviews, though<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Oh, THAT conspiracy

Postby havanagilla » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:20 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So 2100 years later, do we find the political edges dull enough to glean any truth from things?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>this one you are probably referring to, is the most amazing conspiracy that made time stop, for some cultures (mine amongst). I feel that the depth and the darkness of that time is still mostly denied, too horrifying ? however, with respect to this one, as you see, the secrets did not perish, and so the earth occasionally "pukes" out some scrolls and more to come, i suspect. The time of the destruction of the second temple/Jesus emergence, I think was one of those 'time warps' that we are not able to process and "move on".<br><br>---<br>but that's true only for those involved in that narrative, not others.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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old time conspiracy

Postby friend catcher » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:02 pm

The best I came across as an introduction to past shenanigans is a novel with enough historical background to frighten any academic. Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulumn will give you plenty of esoteric/political conspiracy info from the last few hundred years or more. If you're already familiar with it then at least you'll get a good yarn. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: old time conspiracy

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:40 pm

indeed it was. its one of those books one should read, and then re-read years later to see how the years deepen the meaning you can get from the story. that book was as densely packed as it gets. <p></p><i></i>
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re; conspiracy theories of yore

Postby friend catcher » Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:04 pm

as an afterthought a trip to the other foucault <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067972110X/sr=8-3/qid=1150142121/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-2951662-8393635?%5Fencoding=UTF8">www.amazon.com/gp/product...oding=UTF8</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>fills a void of knowledge that attempts to explain our somewhat duller perception of the world. Things that seem crazy to the modern mind didn't appear that way to those of the past. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conspiracy theories of yore

Postby Sepka » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:36 am

Mackay's "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" (1841) deals with (among other things) conspiracies and popular beliefs about conspiracies. If nothing else, it's of interest to see what an early Victorian writer thought about the beliefs of the past.<br><br>You can read it online at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.litrix.com/madraven/madne001.htm">www.litrix.com/madraven/madne001.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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