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immigrants disappearing?

Postby yathrib » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:35 am

Over the past decade or so, my neighborhood has been a major center of immigration--legal and illegal--from Central America. Some have jokingly called the area in question the "second largest city in El Salvador." I can't say that I've always been any more fond of this than the average white, suburban American, but I've gotten used to it, and have even come to appreciate some aspects of it. Examples: the ethnic cuisine, the essential good-heartedness of most of these people, the lower rate of actual crime (yep, you heard me correctly), and more.<br><br>But anyway, over the past few weeks, much of this has disappeared. Two pupusa stands where there used to be about twelve, Hispanic churches that used to be bursting at the seams on Sunday (and Saturday) mornings now nearly unnoticeable, and no more crowds of day laborers on workdays. The last of these--I must admit--was the perhaps the least endearing aspect of their presence, but it is weird to just see it evaporate like this. All of this is weird, and creepy.<br><br>It got weirder and creepier when several neighbors and friends told me that they had seen large numbers of law enforcement personnel and vehicles rounding people up in these areas, all to the accompaniment of *no* news coverage whatsoever. I see enough local news that I would know if any such coverage appeared, and usually such large-scale sweeps *are* covered.<br><br>Thoughts? <p></p><i></i>
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1st thought

Postby blanc » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:46 am

get a camera and a van with foiled out windows. <br>nothing surprising that people disappear, but mass disappearances - that's nasty. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ft Bragg

Postby Gouda » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:16 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Immigrant sweep snags 58 at Fort Bragg</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>FORT BRAGG, N.C. - Federal agents conducting a sweep aimed at illegal immigrants detained 58 civilian workers Tuesday as they tried to enter Fort Bragg with suspected false or fraudulently obtained identification, officials said.<br><br>Almost all of them were construction workers, officials said.<br><br>U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, U.S. marshals and FBI agents worked with the military on the sweep...<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>"Today's operation was part of our ongoing force protection measures,"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> said post spokesman Tom McCollum. "There were no incidents or accidents."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_re_us/immigration_arrests;_ylt=AqZ2WDFrxtuw72ONpMfb7xxvzwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-">Yahoo news link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><br>Maybe the reporter (no byline provided) is just a cub and simply forgot to ask officials what legal process lies ahead for these new detainees; where, how and what can be expected for them? Perhaps this reporter's vagueness is not misleading, but yet another unrefined rookie moment. <br><br>"...as they tried to enter Fort Bragg" ...weilding threatening hammers and saws? Were they proclaiming revolution; or just kinda like cockroaches, scurrying in underfoot? Had they been "entering" before, as in, have they been employed there expecting that this day would be like the last, with no roach motel waiting for them?!! <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Force protection</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> - perhaps these migrant workers had been working at Ft Bragg for a long time, with the full knowledge of the facility's 'human resources' division? <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Force protection</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> in this case is probably means a team of lawyers and a huge media assist. <br><br>et in arcadia ego...i think you mentioned living near this or another base...any knowledge of their hiring practices for cheap labor? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 7/19/06 3:18 am<br></i>
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Re: Ft Bragg

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:22 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, U.S. marshals and FBI agents <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>worked with the military</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> on the sweep...</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I would like to be a mouse in a corner to hear what the military has to say to these people, see if the military has rounded them up to start pressuring them to join the military as an alternative to getting sent home after a year in prison.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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It's a racket.

Postby nomo » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:25 pm

Rounding up immigrants turns out to be very profitable for some. From today's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>NY Times</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Business section:<br><br>July 19, 2006<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Immigration Enforcement Benefits Prison Firms</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>By MEREDITH KOLODNER<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/07/19/business/detain.600.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Holding centers for people accused of illegal immigration are built in 24-hour-a-day construction at Raymondsville, Tex. [Theresa Scarbrough for The New York Times]</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>As the Bush administration gets tougher on illegal immigration and increases its spending on enforcement, some of the biggest beneficiaries may be the companies that have been building and running private prisons around the country.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>By the fall of 2007, the administration expects that about <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>27,500</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> immigrants will be in detention each night, an increase of 6,700 over the current number in custody. At the average cost these days of <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>$95 a night</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, that adds up to an estimated total annual cost of nearly <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>$1 billion.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group (formerly the Wackenhut Corrections Corporation) — the two biggest prison operators — now house a total of fewer than 20 percent of the immigrants in detention. But along with several smaller companies, they are jockeying for a bigger piece of the growing business.<br><br>Corrections Corp. and Geo are already running 8 of the 16 federal detention centers.<br><br>With all the federal centers now filled and the federal government not planning to build more, most of the new money is expected to go to private companies or to county governments. Even some of the money paid to counties, which currently hold 57 percent of the immigrants in detention, will end up in the pockets of the private companies, since they manage a number of the county jails.<br><br>“Private companies are positioning themselves as suppliers, and are positioned to take the majority of new beds available,” said Anton High, an analyst with Jefferies & Company, the brokerage firm. He has recommended that his clients buy Corrections stock.<br><br>Louise Gilchrist, vice president for marketing and communication at Corrections Corp., said her company would have no trouble meeting the federal government’s needs. “We believe as their demand increases, they will need to rely on providers who have bed space available,” she said. “The company feels it is well positioned.”<br><br>Wall Street has taken notice of the potential growth in the industry. The stock of Corrections Corp. has climbed to $53.77 from $42.50, an increase of about 27 percent, since February when President Bush proposed adding to spending on immigrant detention.<br><br>Geo’s stock rose about 68 percent in the period, to $39.24 a share from $23.36.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/business/19detain.html">www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/business/19detain.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nomo@rigorousintuition>nomo</A> at: 7/19/06 11:27 am<br></i>
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Re: track changes

Postby Gouda » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Wall Street has taken notice of the potential growth in the industry. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>Editor to MEREDITH KOLODNER before going to press: <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Mer, please change the following</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> - "Wall Street has been banking on certain growth in the industry for years..." <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>to:</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> "Wall Street has taken notice of the potential growth in the industry." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: track changes

Postby Gouda » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:50 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Louise Gilchrist, vice president for marketing and communication at Corrections Corp., said her company would have no trouble meeting the federal government's needs. We believe as their demand increases, they will need to rely on providers who have bed space available, she said. The company feels it is well positioned.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> F***ing socio-psychopaths. How's that for the monotonous banality of evil. <br><br>Well positioned. The whole for-profit market economy has demanded the conditions, laid the groundwork and forced the reality whereby such "bed space" will necessarily be made available, for more profit. Design and implement the political economy which creates an explosion of migrant workers; profit off them handsomely; and mop up the guaranteed excess supply for a) more profit b) to limit excess political organizing and c) placate all ends of the white political spectrum. Now, if we can get those migrant detainees to do some chores around the house, what a bonus! Add Corrections Corp. to my portfolio, and quick. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 7/19/06 12:02 pm<br></i>
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Re: It's a racket.

Postby Sepka » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:50 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>By the fall of 2007, the administration expects that about 27,500 immigrants will be in detention each night<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>27,500 out of approximately 10-12 million illegal immigrants currently in the US. What you're seeing here is noting more than a PR operation by the Bush administration, trying to convince the voters that they're being tough on illegal immigration while they work behind the scenes to pass an amnesty package.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: It's a racket.

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:07 pm

I have to laugh... it's all I can do any more...<br><br><br>Used to be that ranting about the government rounding people up and putting them in "interment camps" was the very height of tin foil hat country. <br><br>I think I need a break... some mountain hide-away with 20 years of food and water storage should be fine. <br><br>gaaa! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hotel "PR Operation", 3-stars.

Postby Gouda » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:35 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>27,500 out of approximately 10-12 million illegal immigrants currently in the US. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> That's 27,500 <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>per night</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. That's Cancun for cucarachas. Deportation sometimes follows detention, if you are lucky....oh, fear not, not <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>you</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br>Regardless, even if that number was 1 of 10-12 million, it is wrong - as in Nazi Germany, as in Palestine, as in Stalin's russia. It must be some kind of special trait, dear Sepka, to be able to speak so coldly about thousands of humans. The engineer-like way that you convert people to fractions and ratios surely is a skill someone could utilize. You may find it reassuring that should the country be overtaken by synthetic, or natural, or naturally synthetic, catastrophic events once again, the ever-flexible private sector will be well-positioned to handle any percentage increase in bed space demand and/or detainee needs. "Lots of opportunities, if there aren't you can make them..."<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What you're seeing here is noting more than a PR operation by the Bush administration, trying to convince the voters that they're being tough on illegal immigration while they work behind the scenes to pass an amnesty package.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Help, my friends and neighbors have been disappeared by a PR operation! Oh, it is something more. What you say may be true on the surface, exo-political level, but of course, it just ain't that way deep at the heart of things. Mind you, the corporate government on Wall Street is also trying to avoid a general strike by millions of migrant workers. Govt, Big Business no like general strike. By the way, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>amnesty</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> for what? Being born on the wrong side of a border we (our own immigrant ancestors) stole? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 7/20/06 2:36 am<br></i>
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When are the separate bathrooms going to be reinstated?

Postby Gouda » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:46 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Backlash emerges against Latino culture</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Hispanic purveyors of the workingman's lunch represent an immigration policy many Americans feel has gone haywire. In many interior states where the Hispanic immigration had been minimal until recently, residents are encountering more new faces speaking an incomprehensible language and infiltrating street corners with their cilantro-spiced fare...<br><br>In resisting the sudden and growing influence of Latino culture, some cities and towns across America are requiring the use of English and restricting culinary mores and even the Hispanic tradition of sitting on the front porch.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"People are ... realizing how much [illegal immigration] is costing them, they watched the May 1 demonstrations, and they are mad," says Richard Lamm, a former Colorado governor, who codirects the Institute for Public Policy Studies in Denver. "They're reaching for whatever tool is available, and some of those tools are harsh and not very sophisticated."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> ...<br><br>Last month, the Gwinnett County Board of Commissioners became one of the first in the country to ban mobile taco stands, which officials said were cluttering street corners. One Gwinnett politician described the proliferation of rolling taco stands as "gypsy-fication." ...<br><br>Others have taken even more flagrant actions toward Hispanic immigrants. A Philadelphia sub shop owner, Joseph Vento, has a sign up that reads: "This is America. When Ordering, Speak English." In Ohio, Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones has put up a yellow sign saying "Illegal Aliens Here," with an arrow pointing to the county jail. ...<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The local ordinances are a forerunner to developing a national policy for immigration reform,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> says Mr. Frey. "Part of the price we have to pay before we come up with reasonable national solutions is this kind of interim action where local officials try to grandstand for small political gains," he says. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060719/ts_csm/acoldshoulder">news.yahoo.com/s/csm/2006...ldshoulder</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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A rare, sane look at the immigration issue...

Postby yathrib » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:43 am

<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.takoma.com/archives/copy/2006/07/sin0706.html">www.takoma.com/archives/c...n0706.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>It's so obvious now! <p></p><i></i>
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