by Gouda » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:23 pm
You say: “Get rid of the coercive centralized powers so that evil people can no longer mass produce their evil.” <br><br>Sorry, but Government as it exists only in your books has been sold off or is being sold off by the power brokers working both inside and outside government structures, as according to plan. Your blindness to this fact perpetuates the ignorance enabling it. <br><br>Fascist (in this case corporate) power exists whether there is government, democracy or not. Just because they find government and the façade of democracy convenient, does not mean there is something inherently wrong with government or democracy. It does mean there is something wrong with them and the system they seek to expand. In recent and present history, they use government (and even corporations) as a legitimizing façade so that people do not easily recognize what is happening and rise up against it. And they continue building their parallel empire behind this curtain of state. <br><br>I think it is pretty clear that corporate & financial white supremacist oligarchs have been preparing for the day (subverting legitimate government functions along the way) when the government façade and nation-state borders can be safely discarded to expose that which is hidden. “Getting rid of government,” is already part of the plan. <br><br>You have to look at the situation, the world as it is NOW. We have a sick, fucked up government NOW, so what are you going to do? Not vote? Not get together and work for changes to the electoral system? Not participate at all - and have us all follow you? That, I think, gives the fascists exactly what they want: a complete erasure of any power we may have left as a collective civil society. You will wake up the next day in a harsh tyranny far worse than any bumbling bureaucracy could devise. <br><br>I understand the threats and abuses of state power, (left) libertarian & anarchist arguments against the state, etc. and agree for the most part - but the critique is not feasible from the capitalist, corporatist, free-market right. State power used to be more of a danger, but that is not the case anymore: it has become something else. They dance across borders and transgress all law. They build behind the facade. We ought to focus on that, go straight to the jugular, disempower it. Once the animators have had their power zapped, then maybe we can talk about reforming, downsizing, decentralizing, and/or eliminating state too, if even necessary at that point. First things first. <br><br>In the last analysis Roth, I would be more inclined to discuss with you ways to unite and take down the ruling system alongside a libertarian-left p.o.v, but certainly not from the anti-social capitalist-libertarian right. There is some revolutionary potential in left-libertarianism. I’ve said all of the above with a full awareness of the abuses of state against civil society and the dangers of centralized power – but for me to take (temporary) leave of that and focus above and beyond and behind the huge problems with State, it really takes some really really bad fellas to do that. <br><br>Maybe someday we will be in a position to entertain a form of participatory anarchy, but right now, in the real world, pragmatic compromises and alliances are essential insofar as one thing is certain: we give no oxygen to fascists, racists, bigots, misogynists, misanthropes, synarchists, elitists, totalitarians or theocrats.<br><br>But you might have to renounce some of your "free individual" dogma and unite with others so that the elite perps are unable to continue to divide us. If we unite against them, then we are on the right path. <br><br>However, I fear you are not willing to play with others. And I am sorry you hold such a low opinion of people. It shows in the ideology backing your political economy and it shows in your championing of corporate policy in the third world and economic injustice. It is functional, ideological, not based on facts or present realities, and seems completely divorced from human potential. Best of luck with your separatist revolution. <p></p><i></i>