China claims succesful thermonuclear fusion test

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China claims succesful thermonuclear fusion test

Postby nomo » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:46 pm

<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://english.people.com.cn/200609/28/eng20060928_307241.html">english.people.com.cn/200...07241.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>China sucessfully tests new thermonuclear fusion reactor<br><br>Chinese scientists on Thursday successfully conducted the first test of<br>an experimental thermonuclear fusion reactor, which replicates the same<br>energy generation process that fuels the sun.<br><br>The Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) fusion device,<br>nicknamed "artificial sun", was tested at the Institute of Plasma<br>Physics under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Hefei, capital<br>city of east China's Anhui Province.<br><br>EAST is an upgrade of China's first-generation Tokamak device and the<br>first of its kind in operation in the world, said Chinese scientists.<br><br>Unlike traditional nuclear fission reactors, which split atoms to create<br>energy and produce dangerous radioactive waste, EAST imitates the<br>energy-producing process of the sun, generating energy and producing no<br>greenhouse gas emissions and low levels of radioactive waste.<br><br>The reactor will provide a cheaper, safer, cleaner and endless energy<br>resource, reducing the world's dependence on fossil fuels, said<br>scientists.<br><br>Source: Xinhua <p></p><i></i>
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Re: China claims succesful thermonuclear fusion test

Postby 4911 » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:40 pm

eeem... hang on -- isnt this very very important? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby dugoboy » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:43 pm

um yeah..this would be the most important invention in human history.<br><br>LOL.<br><br>i'd love some verification on this besides Xinhua. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i></i>
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Postby wintler » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:12 pm

"this would be the most important invention in human history."<br><br>Is it rude to laugh? They prob said the same thing when data from the first (Russian built) tokamak was presented in 1968.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>lists fifteen other experimental tokamak reactors. <br> * TFTR, Princeton University, USA; in operation from 1982 until 1997<br> * Joint European Torus, in Culham, United Kingdom; 16 MW; in operation since 1983<br> * JT-60, in Naka, Ibaraki Prefecture, Japan; in operation since 1985<br> * T-10 (tokamak), in Russia; 2 MW, in operation since 1975<br> * T-15, in Russia; 10 MW; in operation from 1988 until 2005<br> * Tore Supra [1], at the CEA, Cadarache, France; in operation since 1988<br> * D3D, in San Diego, USA; operated by General Atomics since the late 1980s<br> * START and MAST in Culham, United Kingdom; START in operation from 1991 until 1998, MAST in operation since 1999<br> * Alcator C-Mod, MIT; USA [2]; in operation since 1992<br> * HT-7 in Hefei, China; in operation since 1995; and HT-7U (EAST) since 2006<br> * FTU in Frascati, Italy; in operation since 1990<br> * TCV, EPFL, Switzerland; in operation since 1992<br> * Aditya , in Gujarat, India; in operation since 1989 Institute for Plasma Research, IPR<br> * STOR-M, University of Saskatchewan; Canada in operation since 1987 first demonstration of alternating current in a tokamak.<br> * CASTOR, in Prague, Czech republic, [3]; in operation since 1983 after reconstruction from soviet TM-1-MH<br><br>Rigorous? *sigh*<br><br>None have yet produced a consistent energy profit, all risk thermonuclear accidents that could level a city, all support the nuclear 'too cheap to meter' fantasy that allows weak governments to subsidise this mega-polluting industry.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=wintler>wintler</A> at: 9/28/06 6:13 pm<br></i>
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Re: China claims succesful thermonuclear fusion test

Postby novistador » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:25 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>None have yet produced a consistent energy profit,<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>not yet, but with each reactor a good deal of progress is made. the study of high-energy plasma is really a hands-on type of thing, and most reactors were built for research, not production. ITER was slated to be the first consistantly production-capable reactor (2016), but with the amount of resources the Chinese are willing to mobilise they could well beat the western world to the prize.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>all risk thermonuclear accidents that could level a city,<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>this isn't true. unlike fission reactions, which will continue until the fuel is expended or control rods are lowered into the chamber, fusion requires a high level of pressure to even occur. any loss of containment would quickly lower the plasma density and put an immediate halt to anything nuclear. this has actually occurred at the princeton facility, and resulted only in a slight charing of the inside of the chamber.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>all support the nuclear 'too cheap to meter' fantasy that allows weak governments to subsidise this mega-polluting industry.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>mega-polluting? most likely no. alpha particles and transmuted chamber material are the only real concerns, and dealing with that would be trivial compared to the oceans of poison spewing out of coal, oil, and fission plants.<br><br>too cheap to meter? Maybe they'll stop billing us! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby wintler » Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:40 am

'Not yet', but they've been making great progress for thirty years eh? 2016 is the repeatedly postponed possible startup date, just 'jam tomorrow' hype for technofix addicts and hangers-on. <br><br>Mining, transporting, refining, and manufacturing the fuel and components of fusion reactors create nontrival pollution - humans don't spend billions without burning through some serious resources.<br><br>Fusion could only reinforce centralised power > dominance heirarchies, if it ever works. Instead we could stop using consumerism to divert our attention from institutionalised violence. Then we won't 'need' fusion or any other prop for biocidal capitalism.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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