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temp clarity?

Postby blanc » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:57 pm

wotcha mean "This ...community needs monsters"? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby 4911 » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:30 pm

"..And one we are all collectively guilty of allowing to persist"<br><br>No fuckn way. Not with me buddy. I do my bit. If youre out here and elsewhere screamin, give yourself a pat on the back.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby 4911 » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:33 pm

"This particular community needs those monsters and they define it. They are all you talk about. You give them so much of your energy is it any wonder how life like they appear? You spin them out of thin air for the most part. Suggest that a plane did indeed hit the pentagon or that controled demolition is not the best explaination and you get pilloried. No, you want your delusions, you want them baaaaddd.<br><br><br>Ever hear of Borderline Personality Disorder? This is all exactly the same thing on a macro-level. America has a dysfunctional relationship to itself. There is a cure.<br><br>Describe what you see, then debate and come to an agreement so youre seeing the same thing - that is the cure. <br><br>But america, you have to be willing to reason about it. If not youll go insane. Youll blow us all to bits. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 9/27/06 5:46 pm<br></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby dugoboy » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:01 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If they sicken us, we are the ones that must first change if we ever seek to eliminate them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>man, isn't that the fuckin truth of the universe? <br><br>that's why ghandi would often ask himself 'are we ready yet?' about seeking freedom from the british for the indian people.<br><br>are we ready to change? are we ready to do absolutely everything in our power to save ourselves?<br><br>anyway et, i understand what you mean, this article by wayne madsen almost borders on the kind of juicy gossip the daily enquirer runs on. we get to sit, laugh and point while the monstrous machinery continues on doing its work..the leviathan gets its daily sustenance from our ignorant mockery and negative energy. <br><br>if we really cared...we'd work to try to understand these monsters...they are humans just like us...they hurt and they react just like us and then they shut down inside...and take out that misdirection on others..<br><br>we must realize truth does have substance despite what post-modernism might lead us to believe. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 9/27/06 6:11 pm<br></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:16 pm

Yep.<br><br>And don't mistake me, that need for understanding need not be born of something as profound as empathy for an enemy; it can and should stem from a simple desire to survive what's coming. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby dbeach » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:17 pm

"if we really cared...we'd work to try to understand these monsters...they are humans just like us...they hurt and they react just like us and then they shut down inside...and take out that misdirection on others..'<br><br>maybe they are human and MAYBE they got a larger dose of reptilian genes...<br><br>I do agree we need to not feed them our negative vibes and try to maintain some level of calm in understanding these creatures of discomfort..<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:19 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ever hear of Borderline Personality Disorder? This is all exactly the same thing on a macro-level. America has a dysfunctional relationship to itself. There is a cure.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes, this is what I'm trying to say. Though there really isn't a cure so much as a treatment, DBT or Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. All of America needs it. But that takes hard work to do that kind of inner examination and you have to confront difficult truths. Truths like "The government doesn't always have our best interests at heart."<br><br>The other point I'm making is that the conspiracy theory community conjures up it's own demons. It invests them with their collective energy so is it any wonder how powerfull they are? They are sigils of their own creation. The 9/11 and other conspiracy theory communities need to work out what their relationship is with the demons they invoke. From whom are those demons drawing their power? What would happen if one changed the nature of the relationship? It is an important but necessary task to work out how you stand in a power relationship. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: temp clarity?

Postby dugoboy » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:26 pm

haha, wow, right on. can you imagine what the world would be like if everyone did <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavioral_therapy" target="top">DBT</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->?<br><br>the question becomes...are we about liberation from the system? or are we about just simply describing the scary disgustingness of the inside of our collective box?<br><br>"...oh how dreadful..." <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 9/27/06 6:36 pm<br></i>
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Bush

Postby jingofever » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:50 pm

OK, now he is gay. It used to be that he was having an <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.newshounds.us/2006/06/03/developing_story_bush_marriage_in_trouble_over_affair_with_condi.php"> affair with Condi</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. (information courtesy of Mr. Madsen) Or he forced his girlfriend to have an <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.bartcop.com/bushabortion.htm">abortion in 1971</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. Or he had affairs with <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#partied">two other women</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> prior to becoming president. Or Bush was <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_world_class_criminal.html#fnB78">screwing prostitutes and doing drugs</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> with his father. (assuming one of the sons is Bush Jr.)<br><br>It could all be true I suppose. But it is starting to seem like people are throwing as much crap as they can and seeing what sticks.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/ernogoldfinger/bush_screws_dog.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/ernogoldfinger/turkey_pleasures_bush.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Bush as "freak".

Postby DBtv » Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:34 am

I am sorry my truncated reference to GWB as a "notorious freak" and then to his father's pedophilia as equating gayness with pedophilia or equating gayness with some sort of negative morality. (I had a lenghtier post that due to my poor connectivity did not make it to the site and in my late night weariness I condensed the meaning out of what I was trying to say when I sent the second post.)<br><br>The point I wanted to make was that GWB has been closeted since adolescence, and, his overcompensation is the root of much of his megalomaniacle psychosis. Being his father's son is the root of the rest of his sociopathology.<br><br>GHWB's semi-private pedophilic excesses mirror his dark actions in parapolitics, where "do what you whilst" is the prime directive.<br><br>Again, apologies for the insensitive paraphrasing that mispoke my intended point.<br><br>"Notorious freak" to me actually has a mainly positive connotation. <p></p><i></i>
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conjuring up demons

Postby blanc » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:34 am

bvonashen I still don't know what you are saying. who is the conspiracy theory community, what demons do they conjure up and how?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conjuring up demons

Postby bvonahsen » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:26 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>haha, wow, right on. can you imagine what the world would be like if everyone did DBT?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It would be great, honest. These are just basic life skills everyone should have learned but many have not. Things like how to cope with stress, How to ask for what you want in a way that makes it more likely you'll get it. How to be in touch with the world around you and within you. How to effectively manage your relationships with other people.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>who is the conspiracy theory community, what demons do they conjure up and how?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The conspiracy theory community is made up of those who theorize about the existence of grand conspiracies. They are often highly improbable and/or logically incoherent.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory">Wikipedia Entry</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>The term "conspiracy theory" may be a neutral descriptor for a conspiracy claim. However, conspiracy theory is also used to indicate a narrative genre that includes a broad selection of (not necessarily related) arguments for the existence of grand conspiracies, any of which might have far-reaching social and political implications if true.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The demons are of course the Illuminati, FreeMasons, the Reptillians, the quote unquote "Powers that be", UFOs and aliens, "The Military Industrial Complex", the CIA and on and on and on. Not that these groups do not exist and not that they may or may not have less than honerable intentions... but rather that they are imbued with powers beyond reason. They are more than not believed to have supernatural abilities and influence beyond what is typical for any human organization. The parallels with religious thought seem obvious to me.<br><br>The power that conspiracies have is a function of one's relationship to power in one's own life. If you feel powerless and have little or no access to information about the actions of the powerfull you tend to fantasize about what they are "really" up to. It is in that moment that the "conspiracy theory" sigils are charged and given a life with powers they would not ordinarily have and begin to take on a life of their own. <br><br>The CIA is not an evil empire, UFOs and aliens more likely than not do not exist, The ultra rich, despite their great wealth, are only human afterall. It is when people fantasize about them that they gain their power over us. One's own inner needs and desires feed these shadows and give them energy. One begins to see their influence everywhere and in everything. It isn't real, it's an illusion.<br><br>Worse still, conspiracy theories distract us from real issues and social concerns. The concentration of power and capital, the rise in power of racist and facist individuals and organizations. These are real problems that go unaddressed in the presence of conspiracies because they can riddicule and marginalize people who believe they have vast supernatural powers. It leaves them free to act without scrutiny.<br><br>Make these demons vulernable and call them by their real names, then slay them. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conjuring up demons

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:03 pm

"The CIA is not an evil empire"<br> well..thywe sure are acting the part.<br><br>" UFOs and aliens more likely than not do not exist," <br><br><br>cept I have seen one UFO up close[and have a verifible witness..still fairly sane}<br><br>cept I have been visted by lil greys in what you may describe as 'Dream paralysis"<br><br>"The ultra rich, despite their great wealth, are only human after all."<br><br>Human appearing..lacking any of the basic human traits of compassion , empathy ect..<br><br>the rich or blue bloods may have an extra dose of reptilain DNA<br>to account for their agressive negative behaviors.<br><br><br>strange how part of the brain is called the reptilain brain <br><br>Wonder Why??<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conjuring up demons

Postby bvonahsen » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:11 pm

dbeach, to be honest, you sound like an actively delusional schizophrenic to me, are you? Have been diagnosed as schizophrenic? I know this is insulting to some, it shouldn't be. I, for instance suffer from depression at times. Mental illness is treatable, none the less, your delusions are not real.<br><br>Sleep paralysis is real but the visions are not. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: conjuring up demons

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:18 pm

silencing the oppostion with insults.<br><br>Maybe you need to tolerate different opinions.<br>You raised the issues ..just to let you know others may not share your point of view.<br><br>I thought RI was a fairly safe place to share ideas and experiences. <p></p><i></i>
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