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Unrest in Hungary

Postby JD » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:06 am

Large scale protest and riots are going on in Hungary<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.indymedia.nl/nl/2006/09/38948.shtml" target="top">www.indymedia.nl/nl/2006/09/38948.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>It is in the news according to Google; I've not heard anything about it though. Just because it is on Reuters if no other outlets run with the story it doesn't get heard by the general population.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.google.ca/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-07,GGLD:en&q=hungary&sa=N&tab=wn" target="top">news.google.ca/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-07,GGLD:en&q=hungary&sa=N&tab=wn</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Interesting how unrest in Hungary and Mexico; and fascist soldiers setting up terror bombing campaigns in Belgium don't make the news. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Unrest in Hungary

Postby Sepka » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:17 am

The situation in Hungary's been a major story on the BBC since Tuesday. Fox is carrying it as well, although they're giving it less prominence. <br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: Unrest in Hungary

Postby Gouda » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:08 am

The rioting in Hungary is a completely different animal than the situations in Mexico or Thailand. More similarity to Belgium in that the far right is most culpable in fomenting instability. <br><br>As I said over at the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Wayne Madsen loves a good cup 'o coup</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> thread: "Madsen's analysis is very misleading. The rioters were mobilized by the right wing opposition party Fidesz (think equivalent of Berlusconi's Forza party) and was largely comprised of hundreds of football hooligans. According to the whole leaked transcript, Gyuscany was indicting not only his own party but all governments since the early 90's (of which, rightwing Fidesz-led governments had the biggest role in bending over for the neoliberal invasion.) Gyurcsany is no angel and they are all corrupted, but one of his main points is this: all Hungarian governments since 1989 have lied and sold the nation out to the mafia and to 'western' neoliberal economic interests."<br><br>My spies in Budapest aided me in forming that analysis. <br><br>Today I see this:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Far-right sparks fears in Hungary"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>BUDAPEST, Hungary (Reuters) -- About 10,000 Hungarians protested peacefully outside parliament overnight but there was a risk a far-right rally on Friday could trigger more riots after Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany's admission he had lied...<br><br>Tension eased after the main Fidesz opposition party cancelled a rally scheduled for Saturday and a poll on Friday showed that over half of those questioned believed Fidesz leader Viktor Orban had stoked violence with his calls for protests....<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/22/hungary.demos.reut/index.html">edition.cnn.com/2006/WORL...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Victor Orban is a complete fascist by the way. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.budapestsun.com/full_story.asp?ArticleId={4194E2CB4F4F477CBA29B26FB2CCC79C}&From=News">The Budapest Sun</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, a mostly frivolous pro-business rag, does offer a fuller story, showing that Gyrcsany's words in full indicate that he is fed up with the lies: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>'Lies' admission fuels fire</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The protests turned violent when a group broke away from the 2,000 - 3,000 crowd</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> on Szabadság tér and launched an assault on the headquarters of Hungary's national television MTV, setting a part of the building and several cars on fire and engaging in fighting with riot police. According to The Budapest Sun's photographer, Gergely Rónai, the protesters, seemed to be trying to attack policemen only, and were not targeting fire fighters or journalists. An estimated 300 people stormed the MTV building, throwing stones, using metal fencing as improvised battering rams and breaking windows to get in. "The police forces were too weak, and the demonstrators soon took command and set around six cars on fire," Rónai said. When the police used tear gas and hoses to disperse the crowd, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>some protesters sprayed paint on the square's Soviet memorial on the square and pulled it to pieces...</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>"We have screwed it up. Not just a bit, big time. No country in Europe has ever done anything so impudent as we have done. We have obviously lied over the past one and a half to two years. "It was absolutely clear that what we were saying was not true…. I almost died when I had to pretend for one and a half years as if we were governing. Instead we lied in the morning, we lied in the evening and at night. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I am through with this.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->" <br><br>Gyurcsány admitted that his party had lied to the public before the elections in April 2006 and that his "boneheaded" government failed to introduce any real policies during its previous four-year term, other than surviving. The PM told commercial television ATV on Sunday evening that he was glad his heated speech had been leaked, as the purpose was to emphasize to his MPs that there were no other viable options but tough reforms. He emphasized that the lies he referred to were characteristic for the entire political elite in the past six to eight years, and stressed that he would like to change the "shameful" domestic political atmosphere...<br><br>After finishing the first TV interview, on his way to public television MTV, the Prime Minister revealed his speech in full on his internet diary and said in his foreword, "The real question in Hungarian politics is not anymore who lied and when, but who is the one who can put a stop to this. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Who is it that dares to face -honestly, sometimes passionately and with a loose tongue -the lies and half truths of the past 16 years? We did it."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Main opposition party Fidesz called on the government to resign at a press conference on Monday (Sep 18 ) morning, and has since repeated that call. ...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> It may not be in the "western" media's interest to highlight the neolibcon right's hand in the rioting or risk covering Gyurcsany if he really is motivated to reform Hungary's USA ass-licking, economic voodoo ways. <br><br>***<br><br>En further edit, the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.hungarytimes.com/">Hungary Times</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> is a good resource to follow MSM reports on Hungary and the region. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 9/22/06 7:06 am<br></i>
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Re: Unrest in Hungary

Postby Gouda » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:04 am

Just remembered: how's this for a little foreboding? One month ago: <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Three dead, 250 injured in Budapest as violent storm mars national celebrations</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Posted 8/21/2006 11:29 AM ET<br><br>BUDAPEST (AFP) — At least three people were killed and 250 injured in Budapest late on Sunday as a violent storm sent hundreds of thousands of panicked people fleeing for cover during a fireworks display over the river Danube, authorities said.<br>...<br><br>Ships collided on the Danube river, throwing several people overboard in the storm with four people reportedly rescued from the river, while one was missing.<br><br>"It was a miracle we survived," Boglar Laszlo, prime minister Ferenc Gyurcsany's press chief, who was also on a ship during the fireworks, told AFP.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/2006-08-21-hungary-storm_x.htm">www.usatoday.com/weather/...torm_x.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Unrest in Hungary

Postby sijepuis » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:47 pm

Thank you, Gouda, for this bit of enlightenment. The Western press is depicting the Hungarian unrest as though it were a progressive urprising. In fact it's largely right wing factions [whose force in Hungary is indeed frightening] that have taken the opportunity to challenge what remains of the legitimacy of a socialist led <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>coalition government</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br>What Gyurscany is suggesting is that he has had his hands tied behind his back with regard to the government over which he has had to preside. The story as it is being reported in the MSM [West european included], meanwhile, is pure travesty.<br><br>Gyurscany is worthy of any amount of criticism, yet his stance is that, a) his post regime coalition government has been ineffective due to internal contradiction; and b) any government, whether socialist or free-marketeer, would be faced with the very same issues. <br><br>Position difficult to refute.<br><br>The fact is, Hungary is being subjected to IMF/ WB/WTO treatment [rejection of loans and trade agreements] until it complies with World Bank economic "standards". And the country is doubly on edge with regard to its "obligations" with regard to European regulations.<br><br>Hungary is being drawn and quartered. No wonder, the resistance. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Unrest in Hungary

Postby Gouda » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:45 am

Some due criticism of Gyurcsany's "socialist" party, the methods of a rising far right, and lessons that the left, and even liberals, in the US can draw from vis-a-vis the bought, sold, and empty democratic party. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Political lessons of the events in Hungary</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>By Peter Schwarz<br>29 September 2006<br><br>The events that shook Hungary last week should be taken as a political warning to the working class throughout Europe. The right-wing, pro-business policies of the post-Stalinist “Socialist Party” have underscored the absence of any political force on the official “left” that in any way defends the interests of the working population. The result is a political vacuum that allowed ultra-right forces to dominate the streets of the Hungarian capital for several days.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The so-called “socialist left” is implementing a program of cuts, which is being cheered on by European financial circles, and which is creating social misery and declining living standards for broad layers of the population, including the party’s own voters. The right wing, with openly fascist elements at its head, has mobilized in the streets and poses as the advocate of the ordinary citizen.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The racist gangs that out-shouted all others on the recent demonstrations and are quite prepared to resort to violence have absolutely no concern for the needs of the common man. They base themselves on the most reactionary tendencies in Hungarian history—in particular, the Horthy dictatorship which came to power in 1919 after bloodily crushing the Hungarian Soviet and went on to form an alliance with Mussolini and Hitler in the 1930s, and the anti-Semitic Arrow Cross Party, which organized the terror against Hungarian Jews.<br><br>The extreme right in Hungary consists of a few thousand persons, and comprised a minority of those taking part in the demonstrations, which included many angry but politically confused citizens. However, the vacuum which has emerged because of the lack of any organization representing the interests of the working class has made it possible for such fascistic elements to play a prominent role. Notorious right-wing extremists were able to speak to the crowds without hindrance and win applause from those gathered.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The far-right is attempting to channel widespread frustration over the country’s social crisis into nationalistic fantasies and racist hysteria. Organizations such as the Party for Hungarian Right and Life (MIEP), “the Rightists” (Jobbik) and “64 People’s Committee” combine agitation against the European Union and international capital with rabid anti-communism, supplemented by the demand for Hungarian expansion to the borders of 1918 and unabashed anti-Semitism.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>All this is taking place in a country where over half a million Jews were murdered in Nazi gas chambers. Before the Second World War, one million Jews lived in the country. Today there are only 100,000 in a population of ten million.<br><br>The largest right-wing opposition party, the Federation of Young Democrats (Fidesz), is playing a double game. On the one hand the party maintains close political and personal contact with the extreme right and has never clearly dissociated itself from such forces. On the other, it generally seeks to publicly distance itself from the fascists.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>During the election campaign of 2002, Fidesz leader Viktor Orban used the language of the extreme right and denounced the Socialists as the “pawns of big finance capital.” He even sought to establish a coalition with the anti-Semitic MIEP—an attempt that was frustrated only because the latter failed to re-enter parliament.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Between 1998 and 2002, the same Orban occupied the post of prime minister and negotiated the country’s entry into the European Union. He had also served for eight years as a vice-president of the Liberal International, which includes organizations such as the “free market” Free Democratic Party of Germany. Since 2002, he has held a leading post in the European People’s Party, which is the umbrella organisation for conservative European Christian Democrats.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The recent demonstrations were in part controlled by Fidesz functionaries via mobile phone.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> They hoped to exploit the demonstrations to improve the party’s chances in local elections to be held October 1. These elections are regarded as the first big test for the Socialist Party since its victory in parliamentary elections last April.<br><br>At the same time, Fidesz has adopted a cautious public profile in regard to the protests in Budapest, even calling off a large demonstration planned for last Saturday after it became clear that many voters had been repelled by the violence of the extreme right.<br><br>The wave of protests died down considerably after Fidesz took the decision to call off the Saturday demonstration. On Tuesday, some 1,000 demonstrators rallied in front of the parliament in Budapest and on Wednesday this number had dropped to a hundred.<br><br>While the demonstrations of last week were large, they were by no means overwhelming. Some media outlets spoke of 40,000 participants turning out last Saturday, but many observers regard this figure as highly exaggerated and consider 20,000 as much nearer the mark.<br><br>A far larger number of Hungarians stayed at home, no doubt alarmed by the antics of the extreme right while brimming with anger over the right-wing course of the Socialist Party. This majority lacks any voice in official Hungarian politics.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The experiences of the past century show that the rise to prominence of the extreme right has less to do with the inherent strength of such forces than with the weakness and paralysis of the workers’ movement.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The victory of the Nazis in Germany—a much larger and better organized force than the current Hungarian extreme right—was possible only due to the splitting and paralysis of the working class through the political agencies of Stalinism and social democracy.<br><br>The consequences of capitalist restoration<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The re-emergence of the extreme right today and its ability to manipulate social anger and despair constitute a devastating indictment of the policies of the so-called “Socialists.” The party’s unconditional pro-capitalist policies have disarmed the working class and ceded the initiative to right-wing forces.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>This process is by no means limited to Hungary. In state elections held one month ago in the former German Democratic Republic (East Germany), the neo-fascist German National Party (NPD) was able to win representation in a second eastern German state. It now has deputies in the state parliaments of Saxony and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. And in Poland, the extreme right and anti-Semitic League of Polish Families (LPR) sits in government alongside the conservative Law and Justice Party (PiS), led by the Kaczynski brothers. Until recently, an ultra-right farmers’ party, Samoobrona, was also part of the government.<br><br>One-and-a-half decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the consequences of the restoration of capitalism in these countries are brutally clear. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Far from bringing democracy or improved social conditions, the introduction of the market economy has plunged broad layers of the population into social misery and created conditions in which the most politically backward and predatory layers are able to extend their influence.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Former leading Stalinist politicians transformed themselves into confirmed advocates of the “free market”—while retaining the completely inappropriate label of “socialist.”<br><br>The Hungarian head of government, Ferenc Gyurcsany, is typical in this respect. Once a leading functionary in the former Stalinist youth movement, Gyurcsany made his millions in the course of the “wild privatisations” carried out in the 1990s and is now head of a government intent on implementing an austerity program that is applauded by international capital.<br><br>Gyurcsany is by no means the only Stalinist youth functionary who has been able to acquire power and wealth. The same path has been trodden by Julia Timoschenko in Ukraine, Alexander Kwasniewski in Poland, and many of the current Russian oligarchs.<br><br>Opposing Gyurcsany and his party are former dissidents and “democrats” who have increasingly emerged as hysterical right-wingers. This category includes the Kaczynski brothers, who were both former functionaries of the Polish Solidarity movement and advisors to Lech Walesa, as well as Viktor Orban and the leader of the anti-Semitic MIEP, Istvan Csurka.<br><br>Orban’s Federation of Young Democrats, the Fidesz, was founded in 1988 and played an active role during the period of the collapse of Hungarian Stalinism. The MIEP, led by 72-year-old Csurka, emerged from the Hungarian Democratic Forum, one of the first organizations to actively oppose the Stalinist regime.<br><br>The working class cannot afford to remain indifferent to the current efforts being made by these ultra-right forces to bring down and replace the present government. The chauvinist and racist policies of these organisations would have devastating consequences should they come to power. Any attempt to revive the project of restoring a “Great Hungary” would end just as bloodily as the fragmentation of Yugoslavia into ethnic states into the 1990s. It would plunge Hungary and its neighbours into violent conflicts and precipitate ethnic pogroms, already foreshadowed by the agitation of these organisations against Jews, Roma, Sinti and other minorities.<br><br>Opposing the efforts of the extreme right to bring down the government does not, however, mean that any political support should be given to the Socialists, whose policies are diametrically opposed to the interests of the working population....<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>****<br><br>and then the writer starts to lose me as I think Gyurcsany's words coud be open to more interpretation. I do not trust Gyurcsany overall, but let's see if he uses this to get back to his roots. Doubt it, but let's see. If not Gyurcsany, perhaps others in his party or coalition will get the clue. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/hung-s29.shtml">www.wsws.org/articles/200...-s29.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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