by Dreams End » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:40 pm
Tell you what, yesferatu. Go to the thread about the release of Abu Ghraib photos and check out the links provided by James Redford. All the torture was done by either the CIA or US Military. Then you tell me why you trust these guys to run our government. <br><br>Then go to your own thread about the declaration of martial law, and tell me what is the substantive difference between a civilian government declaring martial law, and a civilian government being taken over by the military.<br><br>I'd be really curious about your political orientation. Not as a matter of criticism, but I've been curious if any of this stuff being put out in things like Counterpunch and Harpers, is actually being accepted by those on the left. If you aren't a leftist, then that's not really relevant.<br><br>I have a friend...a childhood friend that I probably wouldn't have become friends with as adults as we are pretty different, who is "Mr. Mainstream." It's weird. He listens totally to mainstream media for all info (plus the Daily Show.) When he turned against Bush, then I knew the country was turning against Bush. Though I'd seen Loose change many months before and he'd completely ridiculed my "conspiracy theories", not long ago he asked me if I'd seen Loose Change and he'd found it compelling. (I don't like the video and am suspicious of how that particular one got all the pub..but that's another story.)<br><br>The day I hear him say that he thinks the only solution is for our military to move in..I'll know it's only a matter of time. <br><br>But see, here's the deal. Those who protest US military intervention abroad are quite likely to protest military intervention at home. And while some on the left might support such a move...any who did not would be rounded up as a matter of security. The US military and CIA would use the time to disappear anyone who they thought would continue to be trouble even after the evil neocons were gone.<br><br>I'd like you, Yesferatu, to learn a bit about the history of Indonesia and how the US CIA not only fomented a coup there, but provided the new leader, Suharto, with the names of all the alleged communists in the country. Half a million people..slaughtered. Why do you imagine they would be so concerned about "democracy" here when that has not been the pattern abroad? If there's a coup...I'm probably fucked. I assume that the palace coup in progress (or structural re-adjustment or whatever we call it when the real powers make a change in puppets) is likely going to be electoral. Leaks, criticisms from military types about the progress of the war..whatever. Then, some safe Dem, like Obama or Hillary, who will explain that the problem in Iraq was "mismanagement" or "failure to articulate an exit strategy" or some such bullshit, will take over and all the progressives will shut up for a little while. But who knows....a military takeover could happen. I think if it did they'd return ostensible civilian control rather quickly but by then the precedent is set. The line between government and military...already pretty fuzzy..is pretty much gone.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>