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Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:37 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/">globalguerrillas.typepad.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>"Chris Pallaris, ISN's Chief Editor:<br><br> One of the pleasures of working at the confluence of information technology and international affairs is finding a website like Global Guerillas. Built and maintained by security analyst and technologist John Robb, this blog is an excellent resource for anyone interested in fourth-generation warfare or the interplay between terrorism, political violence, networks and technology.... Highly recommended."<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:31 pm

This website is a sterile technical amoral site that only considers how the US can win its wars, not achieve peace and justice.<br><br>Yes, we can learn what strategic military thinking is like and what its adherents see as their own strengths and vulnerabilities.<br><br>But crap like this is typical at this website and uses the cover story formula of <br>US = good guys<br>anti-US = bad guys <br><br>>><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>REQUIEM FOR PREVENTATIVE WAR (AND POLITICAL BIG BANGS...)<br><br>Since 9/11, the US has been following a strategy of forward defense -- engaging threats outside of its borders long before they can strike. In the vernacular of the US press and domestic politics, this roughly translates as "we fight them there so we don't have to fight them here." The thinking behind this strategy is:<br><br> * Rogue states are behind terrorism. Non-state threats are of little consequence without rogue state support.<br> * Removal of these rogue states will diminish terrorism by eliminating its sponsors/havens.<br> * Converting a rogue state into a democracy will completely eliminate them as a threat and change regional politics.<br><br>The Real Threat<br>The result is that we are now in two hot guerrilla wars and global terrorism is at an all time high. Further, the soft power exercised by the US is at the lowest level we have seen since WW2, mostly due to an inexorable process of isolation driven by this strategy (as demonstrated within the framework of Boyd's theoretical framework). What went wrong? The flaw in preventative war is due to a fundamental misconception of what the threat really is. As we have discovered in the briefs on this site, the threat doesn't emanate from rogue states, but rather from non-state entities. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>These non-state groups are a product of globalization's super-empowerment of individuals that connect to it.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Given this situation:<br><br> * Collapsing rogue states doesn't reduce the threat, it does exactly the opposite: it creates ungoverned spaces and failed states where non-state groups thrive.<br> * Nation-building is impossible in this situation. The humpty-dumpty rule applies. All of the talk about mismanagement of Iraq is fruitless, counter-productive (and should be seen merely as a rationalization of failure as we saw in Vietnam and the Russians did in Afghanistan), and will only lead to disasters in the future if we try it again. Since the real threat is from non-state groups, pushing nation-states (even rogue ones) into failure only makes the situation worse. It catalyzes the development of non-state groups. As a result, rectification of the situation becomes impossible since these non-state groups, with newly developed organizational models and methods of attack (systems), can easily collapse our attempts to return cohesion to the nation-states we toppled.<br> * It seeds the global development of non-state groups. As we have seen in London, Madrid, Toronto, and increasingly in the US (Reuters), new opponents will spontaneously emerge from nascent primary loyalties in response to these attacks. The more pressure applied, the greater the number of threats we face in our own back yard. Further, these groups are learning the lessons of guerrillas in Iraq -- the ultimate proving ground of advanced fourth generation warfare -- to become global guerrillas. As they continue to evolve, the very oil supply we hoped to secure will be increasingly put at risk (as we have seen in Nigeria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc.). <br><br>What This Means<br>As these bastardized preventative wars continue to percolate, we can expect the following:<br><br> * An Iraq/Afghanistan syndrome. Extended heated conflicts in these locales will have a long term impact on the willingness of both the US and NATO to intervene in future conflicts (and particularly nation-building). The costs, particularly in the US, of these conflicts will only exacerbate existing limits on future action. Hamstrung?<br> * Long tail markets in warfare. wallenstein.jpgThe market for private military services will continue to grow as states retreat from conflict areas and open source foes proliferate. These PMCs will function as the global marketplace's guards. Within a larger context, the arrival of these forces represent a return to the military structure of Europe's chaotic thirty years war. Since many of these firms will become brands as identifiable as Hawkwood's "White Company" was in 14th century Italy, will we also see the return of great mercenary captains like Wallenstein? Hard to see this happening, unless it occurs as a natural outgrowth of CEO celebrity culture.<br> * The tipping point for open source warfare has been breached. Our inability to disconnect from these conflicts will only catalyze its continued development, increase the likelihood that we will experience blowback, and create opportunities for black swan events (like an attack on a major oil facility that knocks out 3-5 million barrels a day of production). <br><br>One final note: these political big bangs are accelerating history, although the popular conception of where history is taking us is completely wrong. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:22 pm

well , id say every site is slanted in some direction, but thanks for the heads up.. i found the information there not so uninteresting tho. <br><br>Where do you go for information Hugh? Could you point out some good sites? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: recommeding sites to learn from

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:46 pm

4911, I actually recommend reading this site you've found for us but I just wanted to clarify its bias with books over on the right-hand side of the page being recommended including Francis Fukiyama and other like-minded fascists.<br><br>This is whose website that is, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>John Robb</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>John Robb, a former counter-terrorism operation planner and commander, now <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>advises corporations on the future of terrorism, infrastructure, and markets.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> A graduate of Yale University and the Air Force Academy, his writing on war have been featured in FAST COMPANY and THE NEW YORK TIMES. His book on the future terrorism, war, and the global economy will be published by Wiley in 2007.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He's smart but he ain't on 'our' side. He's with USA, Inc.<br><br>I read all the military doctrines and manuals I can find in order to see how the professionals who occupy us think and how they do it since I have a fortune cookie slip taped to my computer that says<br>"The wise learn many things from their foes."<br><br>Not that I consider our troops or even the US military to be my foe but the highest-levels of the Pentagon who knowingly help occupy the American people are definitely my/our foes.<br><br>Search up websites on psychological warfare and read manuals on Stability Operations and Unit Training and Cohesion etc. to know what we are up against and what works in enacting a non-violent resistance to a violent system. The info is available but people just don't know to look for it.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 8/29/06 2:22 pm<br></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby Sepka » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:27 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> This website is a sterile technical amoral site that only considers how the US can win its wars, not achieve peace and justice.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>True peace and justice are impossible without an Anglo/American victory. That's the fundamental fact that the left seems to keep overlooking. <br><br>I don't necessarily agree with the analyses presented here, but there's obviously been a great deal of careful and sober thought put into them. It's an interesting site. Thanks for posting it.<br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:40 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>True peace and justice are impossible without an Anglo/American victory. That's the fundamental fact that the left seems to keep overlooking.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sepka, you're a fascination to me..<br><br>Why do you post here? Not that I'm asking you not to, of course, I'm just curious why you bother in the first place, cause t'would seem a relatively unrewarding effort to do so with the positions you take on, oh, I don't know..<br><br>Everything? <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby Sepka » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:49 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sepka, you're a fascination to me..<br><br>Why do you post here? Not that I'm asking you not to, of course, I'm just curious why you bother in the first place, cause t'would seem a relatively unrewarding effort to do so with the positions you take on, oh, I don't know..<br><br>Everything? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Did you ever think that many of the posters here are a fascination to me? Some of you are obviously deriving your positions thoughtfully, by processing evidence, but the model of reality that you're building thereby is in many respcts completely reversed from the model that the majority of western society build with that same information. That's interesting. <br><br>All political considerations aside, the posters here come up with some interesting information that I'd miss otherwise.<br><br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby isachar » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:11 am

Sepka, yeah, we'll be so much better off if Bushco continues to rule and impose its will upon the world by brute force, corruption and subtrefuge (okay, so they're not that good at subtrefuge) and to chop off large parts of the Constituion and Bill of Rights while they're at it.<br><br>It's a question of what kind of America can and will prevail. I hope and pray it won't be your kind that does. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby Gouda » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:16 am

I have been reading a lot of Robert Kaplan (<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Coming Anarchy, Balkan Ghosts</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->). This website is right up that alley. <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>True peace and justice are impossible without an Anglo/American victory.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Sepka - we don't get much of your rationale behind such statements, only your positions sans sourcing, information, background, evidence, justification, argumentation etc which often come off as merely contrarian antagonism devoid of any basis in reality. I know you are a fan of Churchill (Winston) and his assertions of bettering the world by natural right of superior races by any means (pax Anglo/Americanica) which does not go too far around here; and that you much prefer to discuss the paranormal and/or fortean phenom (where i think your input is keen and valuable.) However, would be interested in your definition of "true peace and justice." It would seem to me that the means employed by centuries of anglo-american "leadership" are not eactly bringing about such ends. I suppose your choice of the word "victory" goes far in explaining your perspective. <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>one edit: wording </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 8/30/06 6:42 am<br></i>
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Re: interesting site. But is about 'winning,' not justice.

Postby Gouda » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:42 am

(In agreement with HMW) it would do all of us (interested in the machinations of power and elite conspiracy) some good to read, study and keep a sharp eye on brutal realists like Huntington, Kaplan, Crevald, Fukuyama, Gibbons etc...they basically tell you right out where we they want to go and their rational for it - little (political) conspiracy theorizing is necessary. It's the kind of distorted and narrow perspective on humanity and history which elite powers want to hear. It justifies their means and supports their ends. Neolibs, neocons, and Kissinger all make their home here. They've got a kind of "fool's license" from Power. "Thinkers" like these are the court jesters of today's oligarchs and plutocrats. <br><br>If you can pick up Kaplan's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Coming Anarchy</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> do so. The extended essay "Was democracy just a moment?" (1997) is a clear insight into perspective of "pax americana" pessimistic realists, and basically forecasts a lot of what is going on now and to come. <br><br>In section called "World Government", Kaplan writes this:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"For years idealists have dreamed of a 'world government.' Well, a world government has been emerging--quietly and organically; the way vast developments in history take place. I do not refer to the United Nations...rather, I refer to the increasingly dense ganglia of international corporations and markets that are becoming the unseen arbiters of power in many countries...<br><br>The world's most efficient peacekeeping force belongs not to the UN...but to a South African mercenary force called Executive Outcomes (which is reminiscent of the British East India Company, which raised armies transparently for economic interests.)...<br><br>Of the world's hundred largest economies, fifty-one are not countries but corporations...<br><br>Corporations are like the feudal domains that evolved into nation-states; they are nothing less than the vanguard of a new Darwinian organization of politics."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> --<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Coming Anarchy</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, (pp.80-81)<br><br>Now since this is coming from Kaplan and not a Leftist, an anti-globalization activist, a progressive or a liberal, you better believe it has no agenda other than to dryly lay it out. He sees it as a necessary transition, in fact. He also says that "We need big corporations" because of our societal and technical complexity - though he does receognize the immense damage left in their wake. Strange guy. <br><br>In the next section, "The shrinking domain of politics" he goes on to describe "other, more covert forms of emerging corporate power." Gated communities, enterpreneurial universities, private security forces, incorporated suburbs, techno-commercial corridors. <br><br>Kaplan writes, "We should also recognize, though, that the architectual reconfiguration of our cities and towns has been an undemocratic event--with decisions in effect handed down from above by an assembly of corporate experts." <br><br>And he should know - he's been blithely hobnobbing with these people. <br><br>He's recently on about the "pagan ethos" needed for military operations to keep global order, and the need to have our multi-lingual elite special forces at the vanguard muscle for pax americana. He likes that and has been embedded with them all over the world, even in Mongolia.<br><br>Ah yes, the book also discusses other "duh!"'s like the breakdown of the nation-state, the illusion of democracy, the coming wars for natural resources (especially water), increasing divides between the haves and have-nots, overpopulation and other nice stuff we we see in abundance. Self-fulfilling prophecies abound. <br><br>Some final words from Kaps: <br><br>"This rise of corporate power occurs more readily as the masses become more indifferent and the elites more unaccountable."<br> <br>How's that for "duh!" dry realism. <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>on edit: grammatical corrections</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 8/30/06 6:45 am<br></i>
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Re: Sepka the Enabler

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:08 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Did you ever think that many of the posters here are a fascination to me?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Anyone who spent five minutes here and wasn't fascinated even if they walked straight out of Weishaupt's shadow would be a complete idiot, so that's not saying much, but seeing as you're entertained by <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>us</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, of which you clearly delineate from <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>yourself</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is gratifying in a Joe Pesci kind of manner. I doubt many others here reciprocate fascination where you're concerned, but all people interest me. <br><br>Even the sick ones.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Some of you are obviously deriving your positions thoughtfully, by processing evidence, but the model of reality that you're building thereby is in many respcts completely reversed from the model that the majority of western society build with that same information. That's interesting.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Clearly the RI forum is interesting, although I'd gather the reasons you and I agree on this have very different foundations. Are you suggesting the gestalt here surmised through tedious extraction of subject data is itself an anomaly? Because that's essentially one step away from calling us(<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>and again you are insistent upon a clear seperation of the group by yourself</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->) a bunch of whackos. <br><br>I'm not fascinated by that thought at all.<br><br>Instead of embarassing myself by making rediculous and paranoid claims of you working/serving the ABC's of/and/or TPTB, I'll just indicate that not only do scattered and disorganized 'useless eaters' such as ourselves(<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>not you, of course; You wouldn't address this group inclusively as </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->"Us"<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> unless there was a fatal comet heading Earth's way and even then it's doubtful..</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->) enable Corruption to endure, but it's possible that you might even welcome and applaude it, as an <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>informed</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> enabler, when you know from the things presented here, not assumptions, but hard facts, that the people in charge ALL OVER are pretty much totally fucking insane. <br><br>Somehow that's ok with you though, and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>that's</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> what fascinates me about you. It's really irrellevant if you're one of those special internet boogeymen or not, because at the end of the day, you enable them with your approval. There are many reasons things are the way they are. Some of us aren't willing to take responsibility of just how grave the price of Apathy really is, others are completely overwhelmed by it.<br><br>And then there's those...special ones...that think everything's A-OK.<br><br>Like yourself.<br><br>Thank God I'm not like you, Mr Sepka, and please never stop posting here, because the advantage you lend those intuitive enough to recognize how valuable your insights are probably agree that having even a sub-conscious representation of The Beast nearby is a priceless thing indeed.<br><br>My biggest wonder about you is whether or not you left that annoyingly quiet catalytic converter on your SUV..To admit fascination that we're not a bunch of stoopid, crude, and selfish 'muricans with no qualms about pissing down the back of the rest of the Earth is something to feel honor about, so I'm flattered by your remarks.<br><br>cheers,<br>D <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: Sepka's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:11 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>True peace and justice are impossible without an Anglo/American victory. That's the fundamental fact that the left seems to keep overlooking.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now that's an interesting statement to discuss.<br><br>Perhaps Sepka is suggesting that whatever abuses we get from modern scientific fascism is nothing compared to the abuse of a fundamentalist Taliban-like caliphate.<br><br>That may be true. But that is not the same as peace and justice.<br>That is the 'this may be bad but that is much worse' argument.<br><br>And that is an argument used to keep things bad, a status quo justification which has actually enabled a creeping fascism which must be stopped, not compared to something worse.<br><br>I'd like to hear more from Sepka on this. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sepka's comment

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:35 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Perhaps Sepka is suggesting that whatever abuses we get from modern scientific fascism is nothing compared to the abuse of a fundamentalist Taliban-like caliphate.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Grotesqueries like the Taliban don't spring full-grown from the ether; their conceptions are reactionary in nature, same as Hezbollah and the other 'terrorist groups'.<br><br>The West has just as much responsibility for their existance as their own people; hell, we even financed them. Everyone struggles to comprehend a suicide bomber, but it's pretty obvious to me that that kind of behavior is indicative of a person(s) with nonthing left to lose.<br><br>Each act is one of desperation, or rather, it should be, but they have their over-corrupt zealots same as we do that probably gloat and revel over every brainwashed kid that blows himself up.<br><br>There <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>IS</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> no "'i]Right[/i]'; we are all losers in this War. Until people realize the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>real</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Who's fighting Who in this, we're never going to see the end of it.<br><br>There's nothing more lucrative than manufacturing your own Enemy and selling weapons to both sides. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 8/30/06 10:35 am<br></i>
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Re: Et in A's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:09 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Grotesqueries like the Taliban don't spring full-grown from the ether; their conceptions are reactionary in nature, same as Hezbollah and the other 'terrorist groups'.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good point. The 'worse' thing is generated to justify the 'bad' thing.<br><br>(Ooh, back to the Hegelian Dialectic, everone!)<br><br>Extremes are generated to justify an abusive 'middle.'<br><br>Fuck that scheme, ay? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Et in A's comment

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:05 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>True peace and justice are impossible without an Anglo/American victory. That's the fundamental fact that the left seems to keep overlooking.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Rascist bull shit. It makes me want to puke, and the level of ignorance on display is truly astounding.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.timwise.org/">Time Wise,</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> whom I've link to before but certainly bears repeating, argues that this typical postion of white priviledge (True peace and justice are impossible without an Anglo/American victory) is actually detrimental to those it appears to protect. Because priviledge insulates us from the consequences of our behavior and then along comes something like 9-11 and whites run around unable to understand what went wrong with their perfect little world. Us po' folk know better, just as we knew perfectly well that what happened with the governments' response to Katrina was really no big surprise. I've listened all this week to middle class white folk from n-orleans (I'm white, but I sure ain't middle class) cry about how humiliated they feel having to ask for food to feed their family. Cry me a river. <br><br>Your priviledge won't protect you from reality. It won't protect you from the people willing to fight back because of the things your government has done in your name. You can spend billions on all the defences you want, wage all the wars, overt or not, that you like and still a bunch of guys with box cutters are going to eff you up. Karma can be a nasty thing but it is what it is.<br><br>The world is trying to send people like you a message, "Hey! asshole, lose the attitude" and until you get that through your thick head events like 9-11 will keep happening. <p></p><i></i>
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