VIDEO: Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew NOLA levee

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VIDEO: Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew NOLA levee

Postby st4 » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:30 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>VIDEO: Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew Industrial Canal levee<br><br>Total Information Analysis | September 12 2005</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/120905explosivesblew.htm"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>CLICK HERE TO WATCH VIDEO</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Total411.info has obtained video of an ABC News report featuring an earwitness to explosives used to destroy the Industrial Canal in New Orleans. Here's the video, and here's the transcript:<br><br>DAVID MUIR, ABC NEWS: This is the actual levee that runs along the canal on the eastern side of the city. And when the hurricane hit, the water came through at such force, it was apparently too much. You can see the massive breach here, and when you look around the corner you can see what the water did to the Lower Ninth Ward. It compleetley destoryed neighborhoods.<br><br>JOE EDWARDS, JR., 9TH WARD RESIDENT:<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> I heard something go BOOM!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>MUIR: Joe Edwards rushed to get himself and as many neighbors as possible into his truck. They drove to this bridge, where they've been living ever since<br><br>EDWARDS: My house broke in half. My mother's house just disintegrated. It was a brick house. All the houses down there floated down the street like somebody's guiding 'em<br><br>MUIR: Was it solely the water that broke the levee, or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did?<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Joe Edwards says neither.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods like the French Quarter.<br><br>MUIR: So you're convinced . . .<br><br>EDWARDS: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I know this happened!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>MUIR: . . . they broke the levee on purpose?<br><br>EDWARDS: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>They blew it!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>MUIR: New Orleans' mayor says there's no credence to this.<br><br>NEW ORLEANS MAYOR RAY NAGIN: That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water, there's no way anyone could have calculated what levee to dynamite to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.<br><br>MUIR: An LSU expert who looked at the video today says, while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee along the Lower Ninth Ward down.<br>--------------------------<br>(NOTE: It is not clear at all that blowing the Industrial Canal could have "saved" the Quarter, or that the Quarter was in danger at all.)<br><br>Source:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/120905explosivesblew.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...esblew.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: VIDEO: Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew NOLA levee

Postby heath7 » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:38 pm

Interesting to see on MSM. The 'earwitness' doesn't seem to have any doubt what he heard. <br><br>After the poor, black residents of the ninth ward (where the explosion was heard) fully realize that they've lost everything, these theories of sabotage are going to spread like wildfire. Its too bad they are being shown blaming local authorities. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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I thought I had heard this

Postby Martha » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:45 pm

on the news the other day, but I couldn't find it.<br><br>Thanks for posting this.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby st4 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:18 am

Here's a mega media email list. I think we should send this story out to as many media outlets as possible 'cause Al-CIA-duh might have been involved in this. Several earwitnesses heard explosions before the levees breached. 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I'm sorry but this is ludicrous

Postby maggrwaggr » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:31 pm

An enormous barge, swept up and unmoored by the storm surge, crashed into the leveel and broke it.<br><br>I think that would probably make a pretty serious "boom".<br><br>A levee doesn't break silently.<br><br>There are plenty of pictures of the barge sitting there, having crashed completely through the levy.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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levee breach

Postby st4 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:29 pm

So why does the government maintain that it was water that breached the levees??? And FYI, there were reports of explosions at the 17th street levee that DID NOT have a barge parked in the breach. Who was at the wheel of this barge that WAS parked in the breach near the lower Ninth Ward? I want answers! The American people deserve answers! And are you trying to say that a levee breach sounds like a bomb going off??? LOL <p></p><i></i>
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The government will tell you anything to keep you ignorant

Postby DrDebugDU » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:51 pm

C'mon stallion, you've researched 9/11. They ain't gonna tell you the truth...<br><br>A breach in case of high water is possible and has occured several times before. The point is which breaches could be natural and which one are suspect ie. could possible have been set up to increase the disaster. For example the industrial canal is a bit strange.<br><br>About your mailing list:<br>senator@rockefeller.senate.gov<br><br>Sure, just send it to the devil. I'm sure they'll appreciate it LOL <p></p><i></i>
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senator@rockefeller.senate.gov

Postby st4 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:55 pm

LOL <p></p><i></i>
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More on Levee Sabotage

Postby Starman » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:13 pm

It was gratifying to find confirmation on the ABC 'news' report I saw about the trucker and his neighbors living on the bridge, which I suppose is on the Industrial Canal, and MIGHT be Bellaire Drive. They were quite emphatic about hearing explosive 'booms' just before the flood waters started drowning the neighborhood. I sure doubt that those concrete floodwalls would make such explosive sounds if they were undercut by high water overflowing their tops.<br><br>I also wonder what the real story was on the 'criminal gang' members shot on a bridge, first reported as contractors whowere crossing a bridge in their way to fixing a levee. Could these stranded Ward 9 residents havebeen the 'armed gang' shot -- wouldn't THAT be a helluva thing? 'Disposing' too-vocal, inconvenient witnesses? Good GAWD but we're in a helluva mess when hired guns just do the rich-Kings orders without question -- like the divers who were reprimanded for noting evidence of underwater explosives by their FEMA supervisor instead of 'just' exploring the best way to seal the breach. Has anybody seen any follow-upstories on the suspicious shooting-incident?<br>Starman<br>***<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/090905levees.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/Page...levees.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Locals, Officials Suggest Levees were Intentionally Blown<br>Evidence suggests there were "cracks" in levees that were intentionally ignored, questions over how they failed.<br>Steve Watson/Prisonplanet | September 9 2005 <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://prisonplanet.com>">prisonplanet.com></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Could the levees in New Orleans have been INTENTIONALLY blown out in order to provide the justification for total FEMA federal takeover?<br><br>The locals certainly seem to think so, yet, as usual, the mainstream media is barely picking up on this wave of opinion, so it is left to us once again to bring the issue into the open.<br><br>This website distances itself from claims that the levees were blown to target the lower class areas and save the richer areas. The fact is that the disaster affected everyone, and now that the lower classes have largely been evacuated, the middle class are being targeted by door to door raids. Jack booted thugs are arresting people if they don't leave and confiscating their firearms <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/090905gunconfiscation.htm>.">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...tion.htm>.</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>When Katrina hit, it drifted 15 miles to the east of where forecasters said it would strike. Therefore it wasn't quite the monster described. The storm passed through with relatively minor damage, it was the the storm surge from the Gulf that caused Lake Pontchartrain to rise three feet and the subsequent flooding.<br><br>Katrina hit early on Monday 29th August, the levees broke in three places - along the Industrial Canal, the 17th Street Canal, and the London Street Canal. (Click here for a Map <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/interactive/fullpage.nola.flood/katrina.html>">www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005...rina.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> )<br><br>The main storm surge from Hurricane Katrina washed into Lake Pontchartrain at around 7AM on August 29th when the counterclockwise motion of Katrina was pushing water from the Gulf of Mexico into the lake. <br><br>Some are questioning <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general67/painful.htm>">www.rense.com/general67/painful.htm></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> the timeline of the levee failures, suggesting that there was a 21 hour discrepancy between the storm surge and the collapse of the levees . This is not the case. The first levee broke just a few hours <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/hurricane/t-p/katrina.ssf?/hurricane/katrina/stories/083005catastrophic.html>">www.nola.com/hurricane/t-...phic.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> after the hurricane hit on the same morning.<br><br>This confusion may have arisen due to the fact that Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff has said that the levees broke overnight between Monday-Tuesday, and that he was not informed of this til midday Tuesday <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/>.">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/>.</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The breach of the 17th Street Canal levee resulted in the failure of a crucial pumping station nearby, according to a statement made by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin. <br>However, it seems that this exact scenario was expected and ignored. In an interview with New Orleans radio station local radio station WWL-AM <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,373282,00.html>,">service.spiegel.de/cache/...,00.html>,</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> Nagin revealed how irate he was that this had been allowed to happen:<br><br>Nagin: You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."<br>WWL: Who'd you say that to?<br>Nagin: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it. And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives. And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people. In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there. So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action. <br><br>It has emerged though that some kind of work was carried out on the 17th Street Canal levee. Reports have suggested <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313>">www.editorandpublisher.co...001051313></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> that the funding was not there to complete the job, but some work had been done:<br><br>"The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday."<br><br>Of course we know that it was the White House that slashed funding <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/310805openedfloodgates.htm>">prisonplanet.com/articles...gates.htm></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> for such projects in order to pump more money into the war in Iraq.<br><br>According to the New York Times <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/national/nationalspecial/01levee.html>,">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...vee.html>,</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> Dr. Shea Penland of the Pontchartrain Institute was surprised because the break was "along a section that was just upgraded. It did not have an earthen levee, it had a vertical concrete wall several feet thick."<br><br>It also seems that the broken section of the Industrial Canal levee was having "construction" work <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/prj/ihnc/TEXTinteractive.asp%20>">www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pr...ve.asp%20></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> done on it recently.<br><br>New York Times science reporter Dr. Andrew Revkin has stated <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02levee.html>">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...evee.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> of the 17th Street Canal that "officials and [Army Corps] engineers said that after they had found the widening gap in the concrete wall on the eastern side of the canal, they had no quick-response plan to repair it."<br><br>Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, commander of the corps, said <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02levee.html>">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...evee.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> "plugging the gap was a lower priority." The corps is directed by FEMA. "It is FEMA who is really calling the shots and setting priorities here," <br>Alfred C. Naomi, a senior project manager for the corps, was quoted in the same article as saying "there were still no clear hints why the main breach in the flood barriers occurred along the 17th Street Canal, normally a conduit for vast streams of water pumped out of the perpetually waterlogged city each day and which did not take the main force of the waves roiling the lake. He said that a low spot marked on survey charts of the levees near the spot that ruptured was unrelated and that the depression was where a new bridge crossed the narrow canal near the lakefront."<br><br>This would refute the speculation that a dip in the retaining levee or walls might have allowed water to slop over and start the collapse. So we have an unexplained crack in several feet of concrete. FEMA decided not to plug it and let the water flow until a US city was flooded and thousands had drowned.<br><br>Dynamite? History repeating itself?<br>Many locals have come forward to suggest that the levees were breached on purpose by the authorities. Resident Andrea Garland, now re-located to Texas, wrote in her blog <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/Sept05/040905killing.htm<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ">prisonplanet.com/Pages/Se...ling.htm<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> </a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater. So now I know who is responsible for flooding my house - not Katrina, but our government."<br><br>This scenario is not so crazy as it sounds, in fact this exact thing has happened before in the same city. In 1927, the Mississippi River broke its banks in 145 places, depositing water at depths of up to 30ft over 27,000 square miles of land.<br><br>The disaster changed American society, shifting hundreds of thousands of delta-dwelling blacks into northern cities and cementing the divisions and suspicions that benign neglect has ensured remain today. New Orleans’ (mainly white) business class pressurized the state to dynamite a levee upstream, releasing water into (mainly black) areas of the delta. Black workers were forced to work on flood relief at gunpoint, like slaves. <br><br>Two parishes, St. Bernard and Plaquemines, which had a combined population of 10,000, were destroyed. Just before Katrina, these parishes had about 10 times the 1927 population. Both parishes are now under many feet of water.<br><br>This information is covered in depth in a book by John M. Barry entitled Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and how it Changed America, 1997 <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC/MS-AL/book.htm>which">www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC....htm>which</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> has incidentally become heavily in demand <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--katrina-floodbook0905sep05,0,4615278.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork>">www.newsday.com/news/loca...apnewyork></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> after Katrina.<br><br>Furthermore, levees were also intentionally broke after Hurricane Betsy struck New Orleans in 1965, admittedly with less of an impact. The tactic of breaking the dikes is not uncommon, as this CNN report <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9808/08/china.floods/>on">edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asi...floods/>on</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> China's flood plains highlights.<br><br>Engineers have now punched holes in several levees in parts of New Orleans where flood levels were higher than the water in drainage canals leading to Pontchartrain, in order to let water flow out.<br><br>Explosions?<br>There were reports of many explosions heard in New Orleans, officials say they were transformers blowing up. Total Information Analysis has reported <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.total411.info/2005/09/claim-25-earwitnesses-to-explosions-on.html>">www.total411.info/2005/09...s-on.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> a claim by intelligence expert Tom Heneghen that 25 earwitnesses cited explosions immediately before the levee breach.<br>Similar reports are now appearing in many web blogs:<br>"He also mentioned that right before the mass flood there was a loud sound like an explosion." - News from St. Bernard <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ernietheattorney.net/ernie_the_attorney/2005/09/news_from_st_be.html>">www.ernietheattorney.net/...t_be.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"I'll tell you the worst thing I've heard and I heard it from my mother. She said she heard several blasts - big booms - right before the levees broke. Several blasts and then all the water came pouring in." - aangirfan <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005/09/did-bush-government-break-levees.html>">aangirfan.blogspot.com/20...vees.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Although these are obviously not authoritative sources of information, it is interesting to note how many local people are reporting this. So interesting in fact that the mainstream has picked up on it in places.<br><br>The Washington Post reported <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/04/AR2005090400958.html>">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...0958.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> on the comments of a retired school teacher:<br>"Mullen has a schoolteacher's kindly demeanor, so it was jarring to hear him say he suspected that the levee breaks had somehow been engineered to keep the wealthy French Quarter and Garden District dry at the expense of poor black neighborhoods like the Lower Ninth Ward -- a suspicion I heard from many other black survivors."<br><br>The Globe and Mail <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20050905%2FSTORMEVACUATE05%2FTPComment%2FColumnists&ord=7796370&brand=theglobeandmail&redirect_reason=2&denial_reasons=none&force_login=false>">www.theglobeandmail.com/s...gin=false></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> is also carrying a similar story.<br><br>ABC World News Tonight carried a report which contained an interview with a local, who described how a floating barge had rammed the levee. The man seemed convinced that the levee was purposefully broken. A transcript of which has appeared on the net <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://newsbusters.org/node/962<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ">newsbusters.org/node/962<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> </a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>David Muir: “Was it solely the water that broke the levee? Or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods, like the French Quarter.”<br><br>Muir to Edwards as they stand on a bridge: “So you're convinced-”<br>Edwards: “I knows it happened.”<br>Muir: “-that they broke the levee on purpose?” <br>Edwards: “They blew it.”<br>Muir: “New Orleans’ Mayor says there's no credence to this.” <br>Mayor Ray Nagin: “That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water -- there's no way anyone could have calculated -- would dynamite the levee to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.”<br><br>Muir concluded: “An LSU expert who looked at the video today, says that while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee, along the lower 9th ward, down.”<br><br>The mysterious barge story has also been reported <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general67/loose.htm>">www.rense.com/general67/loose.htm></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> by many other local residents. "The evacuees who witnessed the barge striking the levee also want to know why the major media is not covering this story."<br><br>The London Observer <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1562415,00.html>">observer.guardian.co.uk/i...5,00.html></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> carried an intriguing story of a man named Correll Williams, a 19-year-old meat cutter. The article states that:<br><br>"Williams only left his apartment after the authorities took the decision to flood his district in an apparent attempt to sluice out some of the water that had submerged a neighbouring district. Like hundreds of others he had heard the news of the decision to flood his district on the radio. The authorities had given people in the district until 5pm on Tuesday to get out - after that they would open the floodgates."<br><br>Some final intriguing footage reveals a journalist questioning former President Bill Clinton as to why many locals feel that the levees were purposefully broken.<br>This was during the press conference with Clinton and George Bush Snr announcing their combined "relief effort" for New Orleans. Ignore the first 15 minutes of sickening joking and backslapping between the two and skip to the last minute of footage. Upon hearing the question Clinton appears to be surprised and then simply walks off.<br>Click here to view the footage <rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/hur/hur090505_clintonbush.rm><br><br>Click here to listen to an MP3 of the last 30 seconds </audio/090905clinton.mp3><br><br>We will track this story as it develops and cover any further updates. <br>Related: <br>FEMA Deliberately Sabotaging Hurricane Relief Efforts <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/060905femasabotaging.htm>">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...aging.htm></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Government Sabotage Of Hurricane Katrina Relief Efforts <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/060905governmentsabotage.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...botage.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More on Levee Sabotage

Postby Dreams End » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:44 pm

Keep in mind...storm surge, if it overtopped the levee could explain the breach at Lake Ponchetrain, but there was no real pressure of waves up against the flood walls bordering the canals. Here's the Times Picayune:<br><br>        <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_13.html#079207">www.nola.com/newslogs/tpo...tml#079207</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mystery surrounds floodwall breaches<br>Could a structural flaw be to blame?<br><br>By John McQuaid<br>Staff writer<br><br>One of the central mysteries emerging in the Hurricane Katrina disaster is why concrete floodwalls in three canals breached during the storm, causing much of the catastrophic flooding, while earthen hurricane levees surrounding the city remained intact.<br><br>It probably will take months to investigate and make a conclusive determination about what happened, according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But two Louisiana State University scientists who have examined the breaches suggest that a structural flaw in the floodwalls might be to blame.<br><br>"Why did we have no hurricane levee failures but five separate places with floodwall failures?" asked Joseph Suhayda, a retired LSU coastal engineer who examined the breaches last week. "That suggests there may be something about floodwalls that makes them more susceptible to failure. Did (the storm) exceed design conditions? What were the conditions? What about the construction?"<br><br>Ivor Van Heerden, who uses computer models to study storm-surge dynamics for the LSU Hurricane Center, has said that fragmentary initial data indicate that Katrina's storm-surge heights in Lake Pontchartrain would not have been high enough to top the canal walls and that a "catastrophic structural failure" occurred in the floodwalls.<br><br>Corps project manager Al Naomi said that the Corps' working theory is that the floodwalls were well-constructed, but once topped they gave way after water scoured their interior sides, wearing away their earth-packed bases. But he said some other problem could have caused the breaches.<br><br>"They could have been overtopped. There could have been some structural failure. They could have been impacted by some type of debris," Naomi said. "I don't think it's right to make some type of judgment now. It's like presuming the reason for a plane crash without recovering the black box."<br><br>Officials long had warned about the danger of levees being topped by high water from a storm surge. Absent topping, floodwalls are supposed to remain intact.<br><br>The floodwalls lining New Orleans canals consist of concrete sections attached to steel sheet pile drilled deep into the earth, fortified by a concrete and earthen base. The sections are joined with a flexible, waterproof substance.<br><br>Floodwalls were breached in the 17th Street Canal, at two places in the London Avenue Canal, and at two places in the Industrial Canal, Suhayda said. Naomi said last week that one of the Industrial Canal breaches likely was caused by a loose barge that broke through it.<br><br>Suhayda said that his inspection of the debris from the 17th Street Canal breach suggests the wall simply gave way. "It looks to have been laterally pushed, not scoured in back with dirt being removed in pieces," he said. "You can see levee material, some distance pushed inside the floodwall area, like a bulldozer pushed it."<br><br>He suggested that because the walls failed in a few spots, the flaw may not be in the design but in the construction or materials.<br><br>"Those sections in the rest of the wall should have been subjected to the same forces as that section that failed," he said. "Why did one side fail, not the other side?"<br><br>Drainage canals typically are lined with floodwalls instead of the wider earthen levees that protect the lakefront because of a lack of space, engineers say.<br><br>"It's a right-of-way issue," Naomi said. "Usually, there are homes right up against the canal. You have to relocate five miles of homes (to build a levee), or you can build a floodwall."<br><br>Constructing a more expensive earthen levee also would require building farther out into the canal itself, reducing the size of the canal - and the volume of water it could handle.<br><br>Naomi said that an earthen levee also could have been breached if the surge had pushed water over the top. "A levee failure might be more gradual than with a floodwall," he said. "It means you may have flooded a little slower."<br><br>The central question for engineers investigating the breaches will be whether the floodwalls were topped - and that's still unclear.<br><br>The levee system, floodwalls included, is designed to protect against an average storm surge of 11.5 feet above sea level. The Corps adds several more feet of "freeboard" to account for waves and other dynamics.<br><br>Naomi said the Industrial Canal floodwalls were topped by water coming in from the east. But scientists don't yet know exactly whether Katrina's Lake Pontchartrain surge was high enough to go over the wall in the two other canals.<br><br>Many storm surge gauges stopped functioning during the storm, LSU climatologist Barry Keim, though initial data point to a mi-lake height of eight or nine feet. Heights typically are higher at the Lakefront area because wind pushes water higher against the levees.<br><br>Suhayda said the debris line on the lakefront levee adjacent to the canal was "several feet" below the top. The levees are 17 or 18 feet high in that area. The canal levees, however, average only 14 feet. Storm surges have waves and other dynamics that push water still higher than the average height.<br><br>"There are big implications for as little as a one-foot change in elevation" of the storm surge, Suhayda said.<br><br>If the water did not top the levees, the breaches could prove more mysterious. Typically, the pounding of wave action would be the most likely way to cause a breach, scientists say. But there isn't much wave action in canals.<br><br>"Waves constantly breaking on the structure start to erode it and make it become unstable," said LSU coastal geologist Greg Stone, who studies storm-surge dynamics. "But I don't think that was a major factor in the canals. You just don't have the (open area) to allow wave growth to occur."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Sounds heard in a hurricane

Postby maggrwaggr » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:08 am

Okay, so you're standing near a levee in a category 5 hurricane ...<br><br>The winds are coming in at 150 miles an hour ...<br><br>And you think people are actually going to be able to tell what's an explosion and what isn't?<br><br>You can't trust your ears in the middle of a freaking thunderstorm much less a category 5 hurricane.<br><br>It's just silly. Total chaos, total mayhem, people fearing for their very lives, and god-knows-what flying through the air and crashing into god-knows-what, and transformers blowing up etc. etc. etc.<br><br>Did you see what happened to Interstate 10? Broken into chunks. Are you gonna tell me that was from explosions as well?<br><br>It's called "mother nature" folks. She can be a real killer. <br><br>Expect to see more cities underwater in the coming years. The glaciers are melting, you know. Fast. <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=maggrwaggr>maggrwaggr</A> at: 9/14/05 1:10 am<br></i>
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NewsMax posts article claiming barge breached 9th Ward levee

Postby st4 » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:50 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Why New Orleans Flooded<br><br> Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com<br> Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2005 </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>A steel barge that came crashing into one of the levee walls, and not the failure of that levee to hold back an immense tidal wave, was to blame for much of the flooding that drowned parts of New Orleans.<br><br>Lying an average of seven feet below sea level, surrounded by the waters of Lake Ponchartrain, the Mississippi River and Lake Borgne, which separates Lake Pontchartrain from the Gulf of Mexico, and protected by a series of sinking levees, the city of New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen.<br><br>It happened on August 29, 2005, just as the city was breathing a collective sigh of relief that hurricane Katrina had not been as bad as predicted.<br><br>It turned out to be far worse, not because of the destructive winds of a Category Four hurricane, but because three massive walls of water spurred by those winds inundated many parts of the city after the winds moved away.<br><br>As politicians play the blame game, many facts about the roots of the disaster have either been overlooked or deliberately ignored because they are inconvenient to those seeking to put the onus for the tragedy upon their political targets. One of them was the story behind the flood that turned a major disaster into a catastrophe of immense magnitude.<br><br>In a fact-filled retrospective that told the full story, the Wall Street Journal explained in great detail just what happened when much of the Big Easy became an adjunct of Lake Ponchartrain.<br><br>The Journal told the truth, but the truth hurts when you are seeking to put your spin on the assignment of blame. So the remainder of the media simply ignored a story the American people are entitled to know.<br><br>Facts Ignored and Not Investigated<br><br>Among the facts exposed of the Journal which the mainstream media has studiously ignored:<br><br># In two cases, storm-driven water, far higher than the levees were designed to hold back (up to 15 feet of tidal surge), overwhelmed them and went pouring down on parts of the city. According to the Journal, the waves inundated the mostly working-class eastern districts, home to 160,000 people. In some places, the water rose as fast as a foot per minute, survivors told the Journal. These levees did not break.<br><br>According to engineers, scientists, local officials and the accounts of nearly 90 survivors of Katrina interviewed by the Journal, the first of the three waves swept from the north out of Lake Pontchartrain.<br><br>The wave of undetermined height poured over 15-foot-high levees along the Industrial Canal, which were several feet lower than others in the central areas of the city. Wrote the Journal: "About the same time, a similar wave exploded without warning across Lake Borgne, which separates Lake Pontchartrain from the Gulf of Mexico. It filled the lake, engulfed its surrounding marshes, raced over levees and poured into eastern New Orleans."<br><br># Another huge wave came across Lake Pontchartrain in the north. It sent a steel barge ramming through the Industrial Canal, a major shipping artery that cuts north to south through the city, possibly creating a breach that grew to 500 feet, letting water pour into nearby neighborhoods of the city's Ninth Ward.<br><br>The barge's remains were found lying on the bottom of the gap. An early eyewitness reported seeing the barge smash through the levee. His report was never followed up by the media.<br><br>Shea Penland, director of the Pontchartrain Institute for Environmental Studies at the University of New Orleans, said that break was particularly surprising because one of the levee breaks was "along a section that was just upgraded."<br><br>"It did not have an earthen levee," Dr. Penland told the New York Times. "It had a vertical concrete wall several feel thick."<br><br># Vital repairs for which a whopping $600 million had been appropriated by the federal government were stopped after residents of the Ninth Ward complained about the noise created by the repair project and sued to halt it.<br><br>The Industrial Canal, now operated and maintained mostly by the federal government, which the Journal described as "the area's defining presence since it was built in the 1920s," has been damaged by the passage of time and heavy use.<br><br>Barges and ships were routinely delayed because of growing traffic levels and the lock was "literally falling apart at the hinges" in 1998, according to a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers report, which called it an "antique" and recommended replacing it.<br><br>The lock replacement project didn't get very far because Ninth Ward residents complained about noise and launched a legal fight that bogged down the work.<br><br>Levees Not Tall Enough<br><br>The levees along the Industrial Canal's eastern side are supposed to stand at a height of 15 feet, according to the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.<br><br>Joseph Suhayda, a retired Louisiana State University coastal oceanographer, who told the Journal he suspects the levees aren't actually that tall, partly due to sinking of the land beneath them. Mr. Suhayda now consults for a maker of flood-protection barriers. If he's right, that would mean the levees weren't high enough to handle even a Category 2 or 3 hurricane. Katrina was nearly a Category 5.<br><br>The Corps of Engineers concedes some of its levees in the area "have settled and need to be raised to provide" the level of protection for which they were designed, according to a fact sheet on the Corps's Web site dated May 23, 2005. But federal budget shortfalls in fiscal 2005 and 2006 "will prevent the Corps from addressing these pressing needs." Even had sufficient funds been available the work could not have been completed in time to prevent the Katrina floods.<br><br>Designed for the Mississippi, Not the Gulf<br><br>In an earlier September 2 story the Journal noted that in Louisiana, coastal wetlands provide some shelter from surging seawater, but more than one million acres of coastal wetlands have been lost since 1930 due to development and construction of levees and canals. For every square mile of wetland lost, storm surges rise by one foot.<br><br>"Moreover, the levees in New Orleans were built to keep the city from being flooded by the Mississippi, but instead caused it to fall below sea level. Now the Gulf of Mexico has moved into the city," says the Journal.<br><br>As the hurricane rolled into New Orleans, scores of boats broke free or sank. In the Industrial Canal, the gush of water broke a barge from its moorings. It isn't known whose barge it was. The huge steel hull became a water-borne missile. It hurtled into the canal's eastern flood wall just north of the major street passing through the Lower Ninth Ward, leading officials to theorize that the errant barge triggered the 500-foot breach. Water poured into the neighborhood.<br><br>When the storm was over, the barge was resting inside the hole. "Based on what I know and what I saw, the Lower Ninth Ward, Chalmette, St. Bernard, their flooding was instantaneous," said Col. Rich Wagenaar of the Army Corps.<br><br>It didn't help that the Mississippi River, which runs along the southern border of these neighborhoods, rose 11 feet between Sunday and Monday mornings. Coastal experts say that could have worsened flooding by limiting the water's escape route.<br><br>As the water roaring out of the Industrial Canal turned the streets of eastern New Orleans into rivers, the same areas were hit from the other side by the storm surge coming off Lake Borgne. Engineers say the estimated 20-foot surge also appeared to overflow levees just north of St. Bernard Parish. Shrimp boats were dumped in a marshy section between Lake Borgne and the city.<br><br>Responsibilities Unfulfilled<br><br>The city of New Orleans issued a "Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan" for hurricanes well before Katrina arrived. The city accepted the responsibility for issuing a warning, ordering and managing evacuation, arranging for buses for those without any other transportation, setting up and maintaining shelters, and other critical duties.<br><br>As one editorialist wrote, "Given the corruption in municipal agencies - one not necessarily cynical Louisiana politician (Billy Tauzin) said some time ago that "Half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment" - it was inevitable that a picture of responsibilities unfulfilled would emerge after a storm like Katrina."<br><br>Among the city's self-proclaimed responsibilities was the job of the mayor to order an evacuation 48 hours before the hurricane came ashore, not 24, hours, as Mayor Nagin did; the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority was meant to "position supervisors and dispatch evacuation buses" to evacuate at least some of the "100,000 citizens of New Orleans [who] do not have means of personal transportation," but it did not, and the flood claimed the buses.<br><br>Moreover, the city was responsible for establishing shelters co-ordinated with "food and supply distribution sites" which the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army and others were to provision, but the city did not.<br><br>Both agencies provided the supplies but as Fox cable News correspondent Major Garret revealed, they were barred by local authorities from delivering them to those stranded in the city at places such as the Superdome who most needed them in the immediate aftermath of the storm.<br><br>As the Journal reported on September 2, city officials appear to have been well aware of their responsibilities. As late Aug. 1, officials close to the planning confirmed to the New Orleans Times-Picayune that the transit authority had developed plans to use its own buses, school buses, and even trains to move refugees from the city when disaster struck.<br><br>Failed Execution of the Plan<br><br>Part of its "Future Plans" section, for example, concerns the levees. It also includes discussion of "the preparation of a post-disaster plan that will identify programs and actions that will reduce of eliminate the exposure of human life and property to natural hazards."<br><br>In 9,000 words, there are only four references to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Nowhere, not even in a section on catastrophic events, do the words "Department of Homeland Security" appear.<br><br>The city declared that its hurricane preparedness procedures were "designed to deal with the anticipation of a direct hit from a major hurricane." Such a hurricane hit, and New Orleans was not prepared. The first questions that legislators in Washington and in Baton Rouge should be asking are simple: Why didn't the buses run? Why were people left to starve? Where did all those dollars go?<br><br>What the Journal reported showed the immense magnitude of the disaster and explained what created a catastrophe beyond anything most people in New Orleans anticipated. The real cause of the tragedy lay in the history of the city's below sea level location – a fact that can be traced back to the city's founding.<br><br>The attempts to prevent the Mississippi from rising over its banks and flooding the area has been a recurring problem, as have the miscalculations surrounding the ability of the dikes to deal with storms even less severe than Hurricane Katrina.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/12/210912.shtml">www.newsmax.com/archives/...0912.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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