Martial law in New Orleans

by **proldic** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:40 pm

Editor & Publisher Aug 31 '05 Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues By Will Bunch PHILADELPHIA Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake. New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA. Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside. Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation." In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness. On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us." Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune: "The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them." The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain. The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22: "That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said." The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday. The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need." Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be." Will Bunch (letters@editorandpublisher.com) is senior writer at the Philadelphia Daily News. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 1992 when he reported for Newsday. Much of this article also appears on his blog, Attytood, at the Daily News. <a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313">www.editorandpublisher.co...1001051313</a>

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:42 pm

Newspapers all over the country are now editorializing that this is being badly bungled. Cafferty, on CNN was livid. "Where is the help? Why can't they drop water and sandwiches to these people? This is Thursday." He promises to talk about the "elephant in the room", the race and class of most of the victims, coming up. None of this fazed Wolf, of course, but it was BLISTERING. I don't know anything about Cafferty...and he was the one pushing the looting theme yesterday, but he read an editorial condemning Bush from a New Hampshire paper he called the most Conservative paper in the country. By the way, the LA governor said the 40,000 troops were to serve in NO and in all points north to which refugees are fleeing. Military rule begins to spread...though they were at GREAT pains to explain during the press conference with DHS ( I left off the Nat'l Guard speaker in my other post, I think) that this was NOT martial law. He was very clear on this point. So was the DOD guy. They went on to say that martial law only comes about in extraordinary circumstances. Well...if I happen to see one, I'll let you know. Not that I'm advocating martial law...I am just implying that they know it is not a popular idea and are preparing the way for its acceptance. This is what all this talk of civil unrest is about. The LA gov is calling from troops from all branches for law enforcement purposes. This, whether called so or not, goes beyond the Posse Comitatus act and is defacto martial law. If I had more faith in our military leaders, I'd say, "good, at least someone will be in charge" but it's actually not clear WHO is in charge. Oh, one more bit of fun. Check out images from the Astrodome. that's about 2000 beds you see spread out covering the entire field. They are supposed to fit 25,000 there for SEVERAL WEEKS. Folks, they have no intention of bringing all those people there...there's no room. I don't know what they are planning, but I do know that reporters, according to the CNN correspondent there, are banned from talking to the refugees there. When you see CNN correspondents angrily denouncing the administration and announcing that, for his question of the day, "How is the government doing in the rescue operation" that hundreds of emails poured in condemning the government BEFORE HE EVEN WENT ON THE AIR, you know the worm has turned. The administration will be sunk by this as I predicted or they will have to openly declare dictatorship. Gas went up 40 cents here since my last post. God/dess be with us.

by **Peachtree Pam** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:12 pm

CNN reported, to main leak receiver Wolf Blitzer, that in trying to move patients from Charity Hospital in Baton Rouge to a hospital in Tulane U, they came under SNIPER FIRE, and they became so afraid that they gave up on the evacuation, doctors "very afraid" BLAH, BLAH,BLAH, more passive culling, and more psyop! NOW, the partners in the Bush crime syndicate, Clinton and GWHB, are on TV with their sorrowful faces (that make me vomit) asking for money from the PUBLIC, since the two of them have done more to LOOT America than any other criminals in the history of the US....

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:23 pm

Pam, you've nailed it. the same pattern over and over. Boat rescuers lined up ready to go. Report of a sniper...they are ordered not to go in. Salvation army has hundreds amassed, ready to go...authorities won't let them in because it's too dangerous. The buses were delayed when a chinook helicopter came under fire. A hospital had to cease evacuations because an ambulance took sniper fire. I have yet to see any interviews with witnesses to confirm ANY of this. One doctor at Charity hospital said he'd heard the rumor about the gunshot but it was maybe a small caliber weapon. said he couldn't confirm. I personally, and without really that much bravery needed, would easily venture into these surroundings. I just see no reason anyone would shoot at rescue vehicles. Unless, of course, my theory about the psyops guys is right. I have yet to see ANY footage of violence. None. Not saying it isn't there, but none of these reports are being confirmed...just repeated over and over. FOX has gone into propaganda mode and has some footage of helicopters and are talking about how the troops are really arriving now, etc. I go back to my other point. these guys have TV's. If they even cared about the appearance of helping, they'd send in helicopters with water to the convention Center. (Clinton was just interviewed and asked about the people at the convention center who are so desperate and angry that no help has arrived. He proceeded to discuss the people at the Superdome. I guess he has the same reality impairment.) Cafferty scores ANOTHER point. Reminds us that for Terry Schaivo, congress came into session on a sunday night in a matter of hours to "save her life." They MIGHT convene tomorrow for this. "I guess" he opined, it's just a matter of what's important to you. Edit: latest CNN headline has witness to a shooting near the hospital. but it was the Humvees that came under attack. Not an ambulance. Still, sounds like someone is shooting. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 9/1/05 3:25 pm

by **proldic** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:40 pm

"...if the people of New Orleans and other low-lying areas insist on living in harm's way, they ought to accept responsibility for what happens to them and their property." From Times-Picayune Sep 1 '05 House Speaker: Rebuilding N.O. doesn't make sense Thursday, 2:55 p.m. By Bill Walsh Washington bureau WASHINGTON - House Speaker Dennis Hastert dropped a bombshell on flood-ravaged New Orleans on Thursday by suggesting that it isn’t sensible to rebuild the city. "It doesn't make sense to me," Hastert told the Daily Herald in suburban Chicago in editions published today. "And it's a question that certainly we should ask." Hastert's comments came as Congress cut short its summer recess and raced back to Washington to take up an emergency aid package expected to be $10 billion or more. Details of the legislation are still emerging, but it is expected to target critical items such as buses to evacuate the city, reinforcing existing flood protection and providing food and shelter for a growing population of refugees. The Illinois Republican’s comments drew an immediate rebuke from Louisiana officials. “That’s like saying we should shut down Los Angeles because it’s built in an earthquake zone,” former Sen. John Breaux, D-La., said. “Or like saying that after the Great Chicago fire of 1871, the U.S. government should have just abandoned the city.” Hastert said that he supports an emergency bailout, but raised questions about a long-term rebuilding effort. As the most powerful voice in the Republican-controlled House, Hastert is in a position to block any legislation that he opposes. "We help replace, we help relieve disaster," Hastert said. "But I think federal insurance and everything that goes along with it... we ought to take a second look at that." The speaker’s comments were in stark contrast to those delivered by President Bush during an appearance this morning on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I want the people of New Orleans to know that after rescuing them and stabilizing the situation, there will be plans in place to help this great city get back on its feet,” Bush said. “There is no doubt in my mind that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.” Insurance industry executives estimated that claims from the storm could range up to $19 billion. Rebuilding the city, which is more than 80 percent submerged, could cost tens of billions of dollars more, experts projected. Hastert questioned the wisdom of rebuilding a city below sea level that will continue to be in the path of powerful hurricanes. "You know we build Los Angeles and San Francisco on top of earthquake issures and they rebuild, too. Stubbornness," he said. Hastert wasn't the only one questioning the rebuilding of New Orleans. The Waterbury, Conn., Republican-American newspaper wrote an editorial Wednesday entitled, "Is New Orleans worth reclaiming?" "Americans' hearts go out to the people in Katrina's path," it said. "But if the people of New Orleans and other low-lying areas insist on living in harm's way, they ought to accept responsibility for what happens to them and their property." <a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#075833">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...tml#075833</a>

by **Peachtree Pam** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:42 pm

Here is the link re the "sniper"...It was an evacuation fro No not Baton Rouge: <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.impact/index.html">edition.cnn.com/2005/WEAT...index.html</a>

by **need a name** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:42 pm

<a href="http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA090105.refugees.en.15bc1368.html">www.mysanantonio.com/news...c1368.html</a> San Antonio will be getting 20,000 people from LA, and giving them shelter at the old Kelly AF Base for several months. The big local HEB chain grocery store will be one of the food providers. They WILL provide for these people and do a good job of it, they always have come through in the past. I was looking for the article that we saw on the news last night about a group of people who drove a huge truck full of baby diapers, etc. and a group of men with a large BBQ pit that had driven to the Astro Dome in Houston ready to COOK for these people. Wouldn't that be great for some starving indivduals! Actually some nutritious home cooked food!! But no... they were turned away because they weren't ready yet for refugees! They made them and the camera crew LEAVE! The men were almost in tears because they wanted to help so badly. There may be "some" light coming through this tunnel. The public is pissed!!!!

by **proldic** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:51 pm

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by **DrDebugDU** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:56 pm

Why the cryptome link? Since cryptome is extremely slow as usual I can probably type the message before I get to see the picture, but cryptome is usually used for information which nobody dares to host...

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:17 pm

Proldic, I underline this portion of your last post: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hastert's comments came as Congress cut short its summer recess and raced back to Washington to take up an emergency aid package expected to be $10 billion or more. Details of the legislation are still emerging, but it is expected to target critical items such as buses to evacuate the city, reinforcing existing flood protection and providing food and shelter for a growing population of refugees.<hr></blockquote> Although Hastert's statement was the issue, I thought I'd point out that very few Congresspeople, in fact, are heading back. Just enough to maybe get something passed. ... Oh, that reminds me, I need to call Frist...heh...he's MY senator? He made it back for Schaivo...maybe he can make it back for this.

by **proldic** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:46 pm

“It must be legal...the police are here taking stuff, too.” Times-Picayune Sep 1 '05 Cops Looting New Orleans Mike Perlstein and Brian Thevenot Times-Picayune Staff writers Law enforcement efforts to contain the emergency left by Katrina slipped into chaos in parts of New Orleans Tuesday with some police officers and firefighters joining looters in picking stores clean. At the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, an initial effort to hand out provisions to stranded citizens quickly disintegrated into mass looting. Authorities at the scene said bedlam erupted after the giveaway was announced over the radio. While many people carried out food and essential supplies, others cleared out jewelry racks and carted out computers, TVs and appliances on handtrucks. Some officers joined in taking whatever they could, including one New Orleans cop who loaded a shopping cart with a compact computer and a 27-inchn flat-screen television. Officers claimed there was nothing they could do to contain the anarchy, saying their radio communications have broken down and they had no direction from commanders... Throughout the store and parking lot, looters pushed carts and loaded trucks and vans alongside officers. One man said police directed him to Wal-Mart from Robert’s Grocery, where a similar scene was taking place. A crowd in the electronics section said one officer broke the glass DVD case so people wouldn’t cut themselves. “The police got all the best stuff. They’re crookeder than us,” one man said... One veteran officer said, “It’s like this everywhere in the city. This tiny number of cops can’t do anything about this. It’s wide open.” At least one officer tried futilely to control a looter through shame. “When they say take what you need, that doesn’t mean an f-ing TV,” the officer shouted to a looter. “This is a hurricane, not a free-for-all.”... Inside the store, one woman was stocking up on make-up. She said she took comfort in watching police load up their own carts. “It must be legal,” she said. “The police are here taking stuff, too.” (Staff writers Doug MacCash and Keith Spera assisted in this story.) <a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#075195">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...tml#075195</a>

by **proldic** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:16 pm

8:05 am Tuesday Times-Picayune Seeking answers to rising waters "The water continues to rise," according to Walter Maestri, director of emergency management for Jefferson Parish. Maestri told WWL-Radio that parish officials have given engineers the next "three to four hours" to determine the cause of rising water. Maestri did not specify where water continued to rise. Asked if it is possible that he and parish consultants will not be able to figure out the cause of the continued flooding, Maestri replied, "Absolutely." However, he cautioned residents "not to deal in rumor." "Stay with us," Maestri said. "Dealing in rumor won't help you right now." <a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#075018">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...tml#075018</a>

by **Starman** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:30 pm

Maybe this should be it's own thread -- I tried to open a new topic, having assembled a hefty-load of thoughts and put words to my outrage, but I got a glitch and lost it all. Oh well. Christ this idiot FEMA 'Principle Officer' Brown -- talking about people who 'chose' not to evacuate (!!!) -- He lies and lies and lies -- This idiot is saying people are 'coming out of the woodwork' when they evacuate people from the Superdome -- I fucking-know better just sitting here a couple thousand miles away, there's probably a hundred thousand people desperately needing to be evacuated -- how STOOOPID of him to play dumb and 'OOoops -- who Knew?' -- or mebbe, it's smart of him to play dumb so he covers his ass. Just incredible. (I know, I'm repeating myself!) "And I'm bothered by how closely this all resembles the movie 'Oil Storm'. Gas and oil has been badly compromised, which means all of America has been badly compromised. The talking heads are happy to speculate about four dollar gas without putting any focus whatsoever on the energy companies' accountabilities and responsibilities. This will inevitably lead to foot dragging on the part of energy companies who look to profit handsomely from this very real storm. And make no mistake about it; experiments in martial law are being refined as we speak. The mayor's 'whatever it takes' attitude seems extremely insensitive to me, and dubya himself says there should be 'zero tolerance' when it comes to the looters. Even the people who need food and water, George? Armed people with little or no hope, going up against cops who will have no oversight, and in the backdrop is the largest United States internment camp in history." That sounds about right -- chillingly. Dreamsend said: "FOX has gone into propaganda mode and has some footage of helicopters and are talking about how the troops are really arriving now, etc. I go back to my other point. these guys have TV's. If they even cared about the appearance of helping, they'd send in helicopters with water to the convention Center. (Clinton was just interviewed and asked about the people at the convention center who are so desperate and angry that no help has arrived. He proceeded to discuss the people at the Superdome. I guess he has the same reality impairment.)" No one should EVER let these creeps off-the-hook for the Convention Center lack of help for 2-3 days already. Simply inexcusable. Louisiana's Attorney General talking to CNN's Master Idiot wannabe-reporter Blitzer claiming they're gonna have a zero-tolerance for the 'criminal element' looting and exploiting people, taking advantage of people's plight -- sounds exactly like he's talking about the whole corrupt Bush Inc. ReDemopubliocrap Gangsta wealth-and-power theft-O-Rama -- the BIGGEST criminal-element looters, after all. But why isn't anyone asking -- what is the actual number of America's latest refugee's (NO) actually being evacuated each day -- cuz we're talking, a minimum of 100,000 people stranded in New Orleans -- are they EVEN getting 10,000 people out a day? At 50 passengers average per bus, that's only 200 busses. And WHY WHY WHY aren't the people's fleet of National Guard trucks being used to help people at least get from the flooded areas to some dry area where they can get picked-up by busses or even private car-pools -- remember the Dunkirk evacuation? And WHY do the busses have to convoy -- that just ties up busses with long, inefficient waits for both loading and unloading -- I simply CAN'T understand why every possible means of transport hasn't been used, including boats -- WHY aren't massive fleets of vehicles being commandeered if necesary? GodDAMNIT!!!! It can ONLY be explained as profound mismanagement and embarrassment, and acknowledgement by officials that the rest of the nation isn't opening up their arms to these refugees -- it's criminal negligence at the very least, if not a form of genocide. Each day people aren't helped, they're at increased risk of opportunistic illness -- especially those most vulnerable and least able to help themselves, the young and aged and ill and infirm. What a fucking in-your-face example of America's REAL priorities, fussing over looting while people are dying. To expect people to HAVE to seek help at the Superdome deathtrap before they'd be aided, is just atrocious. Atrocious! Asshole Fema honcho Brown, talking to clueless Blitzer -- "FEMA doesn't do law-enforcement." Well, apparently they don't do fucking relief missions either. He says the state asked four or five hours ago for water and food, and so five trucks 'should be on their way." Goddamn -- If the trucks can deliver food (why didn't they for the last 2 days???!), WHY don't they send trucks to evacuate these desperate people? JeeSUS!!! The asshole is now passing the buck, saying that the mandatory evacuation order wasn't 'followed' by people, and the mayor did everything he could -- Christ, this guy is a walking model for Bush-lies -- there wasn't NEAR enough public evacuatio services -- how could folks with families, the infirm and ill, people with no money, get out on their own? He's doing some bold, shameless ass-covering. It's obvious to me that the government has NO effective plan for where to take up to 100,000 people. How can you preserve 'law and order' in a Disaster Dead-Zone? That's the utmost height of arrogant idiocy. On the first day, I'd have commandeered two heavy-lift helicopters and dropped whatever big chunks of equipment, esp. like railcars Another fucking stupid idiocy -- Blitzer is on the phone with a savvy ex-military guy in the convention center, who has some very important insights and intel on the situation, and Blitzer is told that armed thugs are running around victimizing folks and raping girls, while desperate folks are lined-up in 30 lines waiting for the ever-magical busses, waiting for .... ??? He said, in another hour-and-a-half the sun will set and folks will realize there will be no rescue tonight, the prospect of another terrible, dark, lawless night of misery and screaming needs will likely cause complete chaos -- esp. if the National Guard shows up with no information or relief, he suggested a riot or armed-violence by these zombied-out dangerous young punks. A spark waiting to flare-up -- and Blitzer (God bless little children and mindless idiots!) said, 'I have to go.' -- and hung-up!!!! Time for the Lou Dobbs report, you see. I can't believe it. The goddamned governor is talking about sending in 40,000 troops -- What IS she smoking???? Officials need to get people OUT, NOT more people IN!!!! How abso-fucking-lutely NUTZ!!! Get the folks OUT!!!! I'm sick with grief. How heartless the fools are who aren't doing everything they can to relieve suffering, instead covering their own misfeasance. Starman

by **proldic** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:38 pm

Millennium is an hour-long apocalyptic drama series that was broadcast by the Fox television network in the United States between 1996 and 1999. It was created by Chris Carter, who also created The X-Files. Episode # 406. "Hostile Elements" air date: 08/20/99 written by Kevin Patterson " Flood levees along the Mississippi River, sabotaged in an apparent attempt to fulfill religious prophecy, find Frank working alongside the Millennium Group in a case that holds unsettling implications for the future of humanity..."

by **need a name** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:26 pm

Anderson Cooper is kicking the fucking democrat from LA ass on Cnn right now! What a bitch she is!!! TOTALLY DENYING the reality of the situation! He says they don't even want to hear politicians thanking each other when HE is seeing rats eating a dead womans body right there on the street of New Orleans. SOME people are calling it like the are seeing it. FINALLY

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