a visit to a FEMA detainment camp

by **Watchful Citizen** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:02 pm

*(New Orleans DA Jim Garrison investigated JFK's murder and found Nazis and the CIA responsible. Garrison had seen Dachau concentration camp in WWII. Ironic that FEMA turned his New Orleans into a concentration camp for poor black Americans after storm Katrina, isn't it?)* "I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security." "In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society." <a href="http://www.maebrussell.com/Garrison/Garrison%20Playboy%20Intvw%202.html">www.maebrussell.com/Garri...w%202.html</a> >snip< I was with the artillery supporting the division that took Dachau; I arrived there the day after it was taken, when bulldozers were making pyramids of human bodies outside the camp. What I saw there has haunted me ever since. Because the law is my profession, I've always wondered about the judges throughout Germany who sentenced men to jail for picking pockets at a time when their own government was jerking gold from the teeth of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm concerned about all of this because it isn't a German phenomenon; it's a human phenomenon. It can happen here, because there has been no change and there has been no progress and there has been no increase of understanding on the part of men for their fellow man. What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution. In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same. I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.

by **professorpan** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:11 pm

All the Nazi death camp hyberole misses the boat -- FEMA fucked up royally -- very likely purposely -- in response to this disaster. THAT is where we should be pointing our outrage, as well as at President "Nero" Bush, Condi "Marcos" Rice, Dick "Wyoming" Cheney, and the rest of the miserable, genocidal, scum-sucking cabal. If we get caught up in Nazi camp comparisons (easily dismissed as "lunatic" and "tin foil hat", and, therefore, promptly marginalized by the MSM) we will fail to stick it to the bastards for allowing the poor, mostly black underclass to starve and die. From today's American Progress Report (from the American Progress Action Fund): FEMA's Failures The more you know about the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina, the worse it gets. Last night, the Associated Press reported that FEMA Director Michael Brown "waited hours after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast before he proposed to his boss sending at least 1,000 Homeland Security workers into the region to support rescuers." According to internal documents obtained by the AP, Brown specified that part of the workers mission would be to "'convey a positive image' about the government's response for victims" to the public. While it was sent five hours after the storm hit, Brown's letter lacked any sense of urgency -- he requested the workers arrive within two days. The letter politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities." Last week, President Bush praised Brown's efforts, telling him "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job." TOP FEMA DEPUTIES MAKE BROWN LOOK QUALIFIED: Before joining FEMA, Brown "spent 11 years as the commissioner of judges and stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association, a breeders' and horse-show organization based in Colorado." (Brown was forced out "after a spate of lawsuits over alleged supervision failures.") Brown's top deputies, however, make him look qualified. The number two at FEMA, Chief of Staff Patrick Rhode, was an event planner ("advance man") for Bush's presidential campaign. He had absolutely no emergency management experience before joining FEMA. The number three at FEMA, Deputy Chief of Staff Scott Morris, was a press flak at the Bush campaign. He previously worked for Maverick Media, the firm that produced TV spots for Bush's campaigns. Morris also has no emergency management experience. In contrast, the top deputies of Clinton-era FEMA Director James Lee Witt ran regional FEMA offices for at least three years before assuming senior positions in Washington." FEMA DIVERTS VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS TO SERVE AS BACKDROP FOR BUSH: Responding to an urgent plea from New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, more than a thousand firefighters volunteered to travel to Louisiana to help out. The firefighters thought they were "going to be deployed as emergency workers," but FEMA decided to use them as "community-relations officers." Many of them spent their time passing out fliers with the FEMA phone number. (Shelly Miller, a Mississippi resident whose trailer was severely damaged in the storm, said, "We tried calling FEMA. You can’t get through on the phone lines.") For 50 of the firefighters, their first assignment was "to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas." Many firefighters expressed their disappointment with their role. FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak said any firefighter that criticized the agency should "revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country." FEMA COVERS ITS TRACKS: FEMA's slow and incompetent response to Hurricane Katrina put thousands of people in danger. The agency doesn't want the public to see the human devastation. An agency spokeswoman said, "We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media." FEMA also rejected "journalists' requests to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims."

by **DrDebugDU** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:19 pm

Professor, this is a tin foil hat lunatic board. So the last thing we have to worry about is about the MSM impression of what is written here, because the subjects are already such that most will ridicule it at first sight. This is actually the strength of this messageboard IMO. I think it is important to notice that internment camps are being used. The stories about FEMA setting up such camps has been available for years. Right now we know that a camp has been setup. Whether and how it is being used is unknown, so there cannot be any conclusion drawn from it. What we have is a witness account with photographs of a hidden place far away from civilization and there are groups working very hard to set it up.

by **professorpan** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:58 pm

Yes, the subjects discussed here are way off the mainstream radar. And that is a wonderful thing. But when people start calling the FEMA centers "death camps," it is irresponsible. There is no evidence they are death camps. Only time will tell if they are internment camps. In the meantime, we have to watch very closely. My intuition tells me the tens of thousands (more?) displaced people will not take very kindly to being treated like refugees. And I also think the outrage at the genocidal treatment of them will continue to reverberate. This could very well be the final straw that brings down the wrath of the public onto the Bush cabal. I sure as hell hope so. I know I can barely restrain my own rage at what I witnessed -- the murder of America's most needy in a time of crisis.

by **Camino Real** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:11 pm

it isnt going to bring them down. long way to go before this tide reverses.

by **Fearless** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:02 pm

Denver Post: Evacuees' stories are moving, but fence isn't By Diane Carman Denver Post Staff Columnist If I didn't know better, I'd have thought I was peering through the fence at a concentration camp. The signs on the buildings say "Community College of Aurora," though for now they're serving as an impromptu Camp Katrina. About 160 hurricane survivors are being housed in the dorms, surrounded by fences, roadblocks, security guards and enough armed police officers to invade Grenada. There's a credentials unit to process every visitor, an intake unit to provide identification tags and a bag of clothes to every evacuee, several Salvation Army food stations, portable toilets, shuttle buses, a green army-tent chapel with church services three times a day and a communications team to keep reporters as far away from actual news as possible. It probably was easier for a reporter to get inside Gitmo on Tuesday than to penetrate the force field around Lowry. But survivors occasionally breached the lockdown and came to the fence to tell their stories, each one astonishing. ..... Kathy Arford, who owns a small remodeling company, Kateri Homes, arrived offering two jobs at $10 an hour. "I need help," she said, "and I can teach people how to do the work." The only problem was she couldn't get near the survivors. "I've spent two hours trying to find somebody who'll listen to me," she said. She wants to give a couple of desperate people a chance at a new life. She just needs to get through the fence. <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502">www.denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502</a>

by **Dreams End** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:18 pm

Good find, Fearless. If our suspicions are correct (I don't go as far as death camps, though...not yet.) then we should see this pattern replicated. To have the OK witness backed up by someone at another camp in Denver suggests that the idea that these people are far more accurately called "prisoners" than "evacuees" is correct. Even without the "death camp" idea, it is still quite disturbing. If I am ever "rescued" and told I can't leave, I'd start looking for escape right away. So what will they do? Shoot me?

by * » Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:33 pm

Interview about restrictions on New Orleans detainees ends abruptly by Don Nash, Unknown News Earlier: Refugees from New Orleans behind barbed wire in Utah Sept. 8, 2005 [Day 11] At exactly 14:55 hours Mountain Daylight Time, and that would be post meridian, I received the call that I had been waiting on all day. The Office of Governor Super Jon Huntsman of Prison State Utah returned my call. I would be allowed to have my highly anticipated questions and answer session with Super Jon’s official spokesperson and bon vivant, one Tami Kiguchi. (Is that accurate enough for you, Democratic Underground? I’m referring to the actual time and exact name of Super Jon's spokesperson. I admit that I might not have the spelling for Kiguchi exactly correct. The reasons for this oversight should become apparent shortly.) Ms. Kiguchi informed me that Governor Super Jon and Prison State Utah did not appreciate me referring to the internees at Internment Camp Utah as insurgents, or detainees. I asked Ms. Kiguchi how one might go about getting access to the detainees -- sorry, internees at Internment Camp Utah. “No chance” according to Ms. Kiguchi. If and when the internees are “out and about in the community,” one can have access to them then. Ms. Kiguchi further informed me that the internees are allowed out of Internment Camp Utah once a day, but she would not offer any suggestions as to how and when the internees would be allowed out. One would have to guess, I suppose. Now, I explained my visit to Detainment Camp Utah from Tuesday, and Ms. Kiguchi got a little pissed. “They are not detainees!” According to Ms. Kiguchi, the poor souls that are being kept in containment by Prison State Utah are sorely stressed and in need of Prison State Utah's care. They do NOT need to be bothered by the likes of me. Okey-dokey! Prison State Utah is actively pursuing a policy of containment with the New Orleans internees and Prison State Utah doesn’t want them being bothered by... me. As I tried to ask how might I get the proper credentials to get into Internment Camp Utah, Ms. Kiguchi reinforced my initial, rather unpleasant experience at Detainment Camp Utah by informing me that should I set one foot on the military property, I would be summarily arrested. The internees are being held by Prison State Utah and they will not be bothered. Prison State Utah, the military, and mainstream media have access to the internees, but regular human type folk do not have such access, and especially me, I will not be allowed access. But, if one can somehow hook up with the internees when they are on the outs if you will, well then a grand time is guaranteed to be had by all. Here’s the tricky part. The New Orleans internees do not know Utah and especially Salt Lake County or Utah County. They didn't even know they were being brought here, until they got here. The internees certainly do not know a soul here, except for Prison State Utah officials, the military who guard them, and the mainstream media-types who are allowed to chat with them. Contact with any regular type humans, let alone the likes of me, would and possibly could be highly un-reassuring, so Prison State Utah is going to a huge expense to keep the internees’ world controlled and comfortable for them. Prison State Utah does not want the internees to have to experience anything except for what Prison State Utah wants them to experience. If I’m not mistaken, this is still America. The land of the free and the home of the brave and all manner of hyper-jingoistic spew like that. But not for the internees at Internment Camp Utah. These poor souls from New Orleans are being kept close to incommunicado by Prison State Utah. Are they allowed one phone call? Are they undergoing some kind of mystical rehabilitation and Prison State Utah and the military doesn’t want them bothered or questioned or asked about their experiences? It’s more than a little obvious to me that there is something going on here that doesn’t quite meet the usual democratic standards. Usually, when Americans are rescued from dire circumstances, they're free to go. Are these people free to go? Maybe the usual democratic standards are gone by the wayside, and this is an experiment in the wholesale detainment of Americans. That would figure, and that would answer many questions. There aren't thousands of internees behind the barbed wire and guards here in Utah, but are the other internees from New Orleans being kept incommunicado by the Prison States they are being kept in? So many questions and so few answers. But you will find a growing number of really pissy Prison State Utah officials that are so pissed off at me, I just might be a dead man by weeks' end. I am certain that would please the Democratic Underground immensely. It would please Tami Kiguchi and it surely would please Prison State Utah’s Governor Super Jon Huntsman. So in conclusion, as I badgered Tami Kiguchi about why Prison State Utah is keeping the internees out of sight and out of mind, but in complete control by Prison State Utah, she slammed her phone down and that was the end of my official question and answer session with Prison State Utah. Tami can slam that phone really hard too. It was loud and I’ll bet that phone will be left with a mark for quite a while. So I didn’t get to confirm the correct spelling of her name, and Democratic Underground may just get the last laugh on that one. <a href="http://www.unknownnews.org/0509090908isitKiguchi.html">www.unknownnews.org/0509090908isitKiguchi.html</a>

by **Starman** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:15 pm

Good Damn Crisco! "We're from the Government, and we're here to help you." Sure seems like some kinda big-bucks scam is goin down -- How many quasi-religioso/State bureaucracy 'care' contracts are being milked in this wierd manner? It sure seems to me there's a buncha opportunity for padding the bill and insuring the detain -- ops, internees, are being 'properly' taken care of -- with every opportunity for 'extra' fees to be assessed -- ie., meals, movie-night, counseling sessions, clothing-allowance, dental care, physical exam, medication, security patrol to 'protect' them from nosy busy-bodies, reading material -- in addition to beds, heating, water, toiletries, electricity, haircuts, van-taxi trips to 'town'. Maybe I'm being cynical, but the insane idiocy about 'internees cannot prepare meals', 'internees cannot keep food in any refidgerators', 'internees may only leave the facilities under chaperone guidance', 'internees may not leave the compound-- er, camp, without permission', 'internees may not smoke', 'internees may not drink unapproved beverages, ie., alcohol and caffein', 'internees may not make unapproved phone calls', 'internees may not recieve or invite guests', 'unapproved personnel are not allowed on the premises', 'only fully-approved, certified members of the Established Press may meet with or talk to detainees', 'internees may not possess or use a radio in cabins unless privacy earphones are in operation', 'internees may not cuss, swear, use the Lord God Yahweh's Name in vain, use vulgar language, or speak words referencing hip-hop, rap, gangsta, Rock or other idiomatic expressions', 'internees may not possess or use medicines not prescribed to them by a properly-licensed Doctor on record in the Admissions Office', 'internees may not own or use scissors without safety edges', 'internees may not own or possess or use knives with blades more than 2 1/2 inches in length', 'internees may not own or use any but approved disposable razors', 'internees must be in their cabins by 9 pm', and etc. What the Hell? (I probably haven't exaggerated that much!) I sure think there ought to be full accountablity with how this operation is being paid and if (how much?)there's a profit-kickback -- This may be the Fed's way to spread the 'Katrina' cash-cow gravy-train loot around to other states and or their political partners, and/or buy some favors -- especially if a little scaping-off-the-top larceny is encouraged or made too tempting to refuse, with 'ah-HA' sting-bust set-up to blackmail another group of money-grubbing politico bureaucrats for on-call payback 'favors'. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the Repubs enlist many of their allies -- I'd guess blackmail and bribes are the Repubs well-practiced SOP, though usually done VERY sauvely, as among well-heeled gentlemen with personal lawyers on annual retainer. Starman

by **antiaristo** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:03 am

FEMA is generally associated with natural disasters. However, the agency’s actual purpose is much broader and includes any national emergency related to terrorism or civil unrest. Its professed purpose is to assure the survivability of the United States government. Because disasters have the potential to create chaos, FEMA has expanded powers which are not given to any other government entity. It has the power to develop plans to take control of the mechanisms of production, distribution, energy sources, wages, salaries and the flow of money during a national emergency. FEMA is also empowered to take over modes of transportation, take control of the media as well as food resources, assume control at airports and seize and direct citizens. Congress is even prevented from reviewing these actions until six months after a state of national emergency has been declared. Thus, FEMA essentially has the power to put the Constitution on hold while trying to restore order in the wake of a perceived disaster—thus turning the country into a military state. <a href="http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=357">www.rutherford.org/articl...ord_id=357</a>

by **Fearless** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:28 pm

DAVIS, Okla. -- More evacuees from Hurricane Katrina are expected to arrive in Oklahoma. Falls Creek, located near Davis, is expected to receive up to 3,000 evacuees sometime. They'll be arriving throughout the day. The camp is owned and operated by the Southern Baptist Convention of Oklahoma. The American Red Cross is working with Baptist officials to oversee sheltering needs at the camp. ... <a href="http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3807527">www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3807527</a>

a visit to a FEMA detainment camp

New Orleans DA saw Dachau, fascism in USA: Kamp Katrina

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A good piece on FEMA

AP article on Falls Creek

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