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Re: armed gangs

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:32 am

I assume there is some such activity, though Mayor Nagin is referrring more to desperate criminals, drug addicts trying to get a fix, etc. <br><br>Interview from CNN with a policeman. He said they were in an "urban war zone" and needed help but there were no soldiers anywhere. At this point, they will need many soldiers just to get very angry people onto the buses, if the buses keep coming. They will count the actions of these angry crowds as part of the unrest. However, these folks are so weak (three were taken unconcscious out of the crowd just while Fema Brown was speaking yesterday...more of that split screen alternate universe dissonance we keep seeing.<br><br>The policeman said he'd passed bodies of other policemen who'd drowned on duty. <br><br>For what its worth, FOX is reporting bottled water is starting to come into the city in greater amounts...no pictures of this, however. <br><br>Bush is going to tour New Orleans. This will not happen. There will be shots at the last minute preventing his landing...or else he'll have to be someplace on the outskirts. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: armed gangs

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:59 am

He's not coming to Louisiana. He's coming to Alabama, I think. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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pity poor humanity; so blind, so suffering, so innocent

Postby AnnaLivia » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:42 am

every flag in this country ought to be flying at half-staff.<br><br><br><br><br>and upside-down.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: armed gangs

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:14 pm

He's apparently going to visit Biloxi, and fly over New Orleans! <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: armed gangs

Postby AnnaLivia » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:21 pm

and then he'll drive his chevy to the levee with a banjo on his knee. and he and the good old boys will have their whiskey and rye......<br><br>sorry. i am just so beyond disgust and contempt. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I have been watching this for days

Postby Sokolova » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:48 pm

...and haven't been able to figure what's going on with the government. Sometimes I have thought it was screw-up, sometimes I have thought it was something else. then it occured to me today what the situation reminds me of. <br><br>Most psychopaths impress people at first glance as being well-adjusted, charming, in charge, dynamic, especially within the carefully controlled settings they like to remain inside, where they feel safe and empowered. But when put under any kind of unexpected or unusual stress, the facade often cracks. They become erratic, unconvincing; they fall back on the old rehearsed scripts of their daily lives as if unaware how inappropriate that response now is. Being totally without even the imaginative concept of caring, or empathy or love or conscience, they can't understand why people are deploring their actions and can't understand what is actually required of them. Given sufficient stress, even their massive self-interest seems defeated as they collapse into obvious and baffled self-pity at the sudden failure of their pretence and their self-deluding ideas of their own effectiveness.<br><br> Doesn't this sound familiar? <br><br> Another group of deluded fascists, the Nazis, thought they were creating a super-state and ended up with a country on the verge of meltdown through underfunding, hopeless economic management and ideologically driven 'masterplans' that had no hope of success and simply consumed scarce resources and man-power.<br><br>Likewise the modern US. The administration thinks they are going to conquer the world and pours vast sums into insane miltary projects that probably have small chance of success (HAARP may be one such), meanwhile their tottering empire can hardly sustain itself. Their tenure of Iraq is falling apart, their economy is going to collapse, and - as we now know - their domestic infrastructure is a crumbling wreck.<br><br> They are looking on angry and baffled and unable to comprehend a) how their usual tried and trusted cliches are not working even with the MSM and b) why anyone really cares about all the dying and dispossessed - because <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>they </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->don't. <br><br>The real world has just invaded their bubble, and maybe ours too? Maybe they aren't Big Brother slickly manoevering? Maybe thay are mean and ruthless and vicious, but ultimately also insane and self-defeating and getting more so?<br><br>Ellie <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sokolova>Sokolova</A> at: 9/2/05 12:57 pm<br></i>
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Re: armed gangs

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:49 pm

Update from <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4576211&mesg_id=4576211" target="top">Democratic Underground</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br>Report from a local team of firefighters who went to New Orleans <br> SRT Morning Update: 09-01-2005, 0830<br><br>Apparently things in New Orleans were even crazier yesterday!<br><br>Chris says that the group traveled to a hospital on an island to evacuate patients that hadn't had food or water for 3 days. Along the way, Mikes team came across people stranded on their roofs with dead bodies of family members lying beside them. Apparently there wasn't much they could do. Once they got to the hospital, Blackhawk helicopters assisted in evacuating the victim's. By 9:00 PM, the group was told to pack it in until tomorrow due to the sunset and the difficulty of landing the helicopters in the dark. This left over 100 patients still at the hospital, including many children who begged them not to leave. Chris said the remaining patients although upset, were understanding. One hugged Chris and thanked him for helping. <br><br>Everywhere the team goes, they are protected by armed police. At one point they broke into a Winn-Dixie Store to get food for the team. While they were inside, the police guarded them with guns drawn. When the police took a turn to go inside for food, they gave Dan a glock pistol and Sean a shotgun to stand guard. <br><br>Chris said the situation is getting desperate. No one has had food for several days and people are dying by the thousands. Many of the victim's ask the group for food or water as they go by, but Chris says they don't have enough to spare.<br><br>They have been eating military rations and working long hours in the hot sun. He also said that there aren't enough rescuers to get everyone saved, even though miles of rescue vehicles were lined up on a road leading into the command post. <br><br>Last night the group got 6-7 hours of sleep and will be back at it again today. He thinks they will be down there for several more days. I will get another update tomorrow.<br> <br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: I have been watching this for days

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:59 pm

I'm trying to figure this out myself, and I'm wondering if your theory maybe actually fits the evidence best, Ellie. I just saw Bush getting a "briefing" from the governors in Mobile, Alabama, on CNN. He just appears so lost, so disconnected, and in a way so naive. He said (to the best of my memory): "people can't conceive of the destructions down there. It's like a... huge weapon exploded", and then he showed us with his arms how <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>huge</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> that weapon would have been. Like it would be really cool if it was really a huge weapon that had caused it. <br><br>Then he said that what people are forgetting is that the Gulf Coast is going to be <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>great</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> once it is rebuilt, and Trett Lott's house, which was <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>completely</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> destroyed, was going to be rebuilt and what a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>great</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> new house it's going to be and he can't wait to come there and sit on the porch.<br><br>I think he's heavily medicated.<br><br>But that's Bush. Where is Cheney? <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: I have been watching this for days

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:05 pm

Where is Cheney?<br>What's the matter with that creep?<br><br>Bush does appear to be either medicate, drunk or on drugs. So what does he do on those vacations.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.dailyweekly.org/images/arts/books/bush-coke.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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feeling duped

Postby need a name » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:33 pm

This is starting to feel like 9/11, knowing what we now now about the set up for that day. This does not feel right.<br><br> The majority of the public is pretty honest, and crying out with outrage over the lack of organized response for these victims. But I'm wondering what this admin is really up to. <br><br>I try to remind myself that's it's ALWAYS about money with these guys. Someone said....maybe there's oil under NO. Who know? Rebuilding, no bid contracts maybe? That doesn't seem big enough.<br><br>They have something up their sleeve....I'm feeling big time fooled, all of a sudden.<br><br>And Cheney? On Americablog there's an article wondering if he is ILL?? sounds about right. <p></p><i></i>
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re:feeling duped

Postby rain » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:58 pm

interesting about the oil. I've been thinking about that likelihood, and/or the likelihood of finding geo. surveys.<br>and there are lots of correlations with 9/11.<br>but this is feeling like 'the deep breath before the plunge'.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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The Day After Tomorrow Today

Postby proldic » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:58 pm

NYC OEM Posters Warn "Hurricane Ahead"<br><br>NY Daily News Sep 1 '05<br><br>Images of flooded NYC to star in awareness campaign <br> <br>Imagine lower Manhattan flooded with water — a storm surge that washes over Wall Street and submerges the South Street Seaport. <br><br>Posters showing such a scenario, with the ominous warning "NYC Hurricane Ahead," are going up around the city this week to warn New Yorkers that what happened in the South could happen here... <br><br>...city officials say the devastation there is a grim reminder that New York must prepare for hurricanes that could similarly swallow swaths of the five boroughs. <br><br>"Even though we haven't had a hurricane in a while, we are susceptible," OEM spokesman Jarrod Bernstein said Thursday. "What we want is people to know where they live in terms of the zones now so they know what to do if a storm comes." <br><br>The zones at highest risk include lower Manhattan, Brooklyn's Coney Island, the Rockaways in Queens and the perimeter of Staten Island. Emergency officials say 30-foot-high storm surges could drown those areas during a major hurricane. <br><br>Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Thursday that the city begins monitoring storms as they form off the coast of Africa. He said officials have studied New York's topography and have evacuation plans ready to go. <br><br>"The city has no land that is lower than sea level, but it clearly has some areas that are very close to sea level and that flood occasionally," he said. "We've looked very carefully at these." <br><br>Authorities say that surges are not limited to waterfronts and that flooding could push miles inland in some areas. The city is especially vulnerable because it is nestled in a bend along the coastline between New Jersey and Long Island. Hurricane season here is from August to October, when waters along the East Coast are warmer... <br><br>...The photo in the ad campaign launching this week wasn't taken after a hurricane but after a coastal flood in 1950. <br><br>The Office of Emergency Management's preparedness plan advises New Yorkers to study and learn the risk levels and evacuation routes for their neighborhoods. <br><br>In a hurricane emergency, residents would flee along evacuation routes and the city would open reception centers that would then funnel people to shelters throughout the five boroughs. A computer system would register refugees who entered reception centers, allowing them to track down friends and loved ones. <br><br>Unlike in New Orleans, which lies below sea level and could be evacuated for months, any evacuations in New York City would be short term, because tidal waters would recede. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/342516p-292443c.html">www.nydailynews.com/front...2443c.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Bush Rules Out Significant Federal Aid

Postby proldic » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:02 pm

wsws.org 1 September 2005<br><br>Bush rules out significant federal aid to hurricane victims<br><br>Only hours after reports that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina may number in the thousands, President Bush delivered perfunctory remarks that offered little except condescending sympathy to the victims of the worst natural disaster in American history.<br><br>Nothing in his words, facial expression, or body language indicated that Bush either comprehended or was even concerned about the monumental catastrophe that has struck hundreds of thousands of people in one of the United States’ greatest and most historic cities.<br><br>Rather, with a smirk on his face, he allowed that “the days seem awfully dark for those affected”—a phrase that could only have been uttered in these terrible circumstances by someone who did not count himself among those unfortunates. This from the President of the United States!<br><br>And yet, this was not merely a poor choice of words. For the Bush administration, the tragedy of New Orleans is not particularly important and requires no major effort on the part of the United States.<br><br>In a brief nine-minute speech, Bush made no statement committing the federal government to a significant or sustained effort to aid the citizens of New Orleans and other areas that have been shattered by the hurricane.<br><br>The president said he had instructed his cabinet “to work closely with state and local officials, as well as with the private sector, to ensure that we’re helping, not hindering, recovery efforts.”<br><br>In the course of his brief remarks, he repeated multiple times that the federal government would be working with “local officials.” The government would be “assisting local officials in New Orleans” to evacuate remaining citizens; the Coast Guard was “working alongside local officials, local assets” to conduct search and rescue missions; the National Guard would “assist governors and local officials” with disaster response efforts; the cabinet would “work with local folks, local officials, to develop a comprehensive strategy to rebuild the communities affected.”<br><br>The process of recovery, Bush said, would take “years.” This is not a timetable that indicates any exceptional level of urgency.<br><br>This language was chosen by Bush’s handlers to convey a definite message: the administration will not allow the disaster to entangle the federal government in significant financial commitments.<br><br>Beyond the most immediate and basic rescue efforts, the immense human problems arising from the hurricane will be left largely in the hands of local authorities, who have no access to the tens of billions of dollars required to meet the needs of those affected, particularly in New Orleans.<br><br>Bush avoided any concrete commitment of financial resources. In the course of his speech, money was mentioned only once, at the end, when he declared, “At this stage in the recovery efforts, it’s important for those who want to contribute, to contribute cash.” He expressed thanks to “the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army and the Catholic Charities, and all other members of the armies of compassion.”<br><br>The meaning of these words is clear: relief efforts will be organized through private charities and religious institutions, just as the administration has sought to promote “faith-based” initiatives to replace government guaranteed social welfare programs. The American Red Cross hopes to raise $135 million to provide hurricane relief, a figure that is dwarfed by estimated damage—much of it uninsured—in the tens of billions of dollars.<br><br>Bush waited more than two days before reacting to the hurricane. He has so far refused to visit the region. Instead, he used Air Force One for a stunt, evidently meant to convey compassion and concern, to fly over the area so he could see “how devastating the sights were.”<br><br>For days, the entire country has focused with growing horror on the utter destruction caused by the hurricane, but Bush, in his demeanor, tone and actions, cannot help but convey a sense of indifference. Nothing in the way he spoke on Wednesday gave any indication that he was speaking about one of the worst catastrophes ever to hit the American people.<br><br>Bush made clear that he would do nothing to halt brazen price-gouging by the energy industry, which has seized on the disaster to hike up gasoline prices all across the country, boosting already swollen corporate profits. Gas prices were raised literally overnight anywhere from 30 to 75 cents a gallon, and are now above $3 in most of the country. There is talk of gasoline soaring toward $5 a gallon in the coming weeks or months.<br><br>This is placing new strains on the American population, which has already been hard hit by a combination of stagnating wages and accelerating inflation. But Bush merely declared piously that “our citizens must understand this storm has disrupted the capacity to make gasoline and distribute gasoline.”<br><br>In other words, no serious measures will be taken to stop wild profiteering by Bush’s former business associates and cronies in the oil industry.<br><br>Against the background of the catastrophe that has struck the southern states, the immense loss of life and terrible suffering, Bush’s response reflects the callous indifference to human life that is a hallmark of his administration. Even as the White House, with the support of the Democratic Party, squanders nearly $6 billion a month on a war to subjugate the people of Iraq and grab control of the country’s oil—with the toll in Iraqi and American deaths rising every day—it has no interest in providing the resources necessary to address the crisis in Louisiana...<br><br>This disaster requires the immediate commitment of tens of billions of dollars to meet the needs for rescue operations and the care, housing and feeding of the displaced and dispossessed, and the mammoth challenges of rebuilding and recovery. The people who, through no fault of their own, have lost loved ones, homes, employment and a lifetime’s worth of belongings, must be made whole.<br><br>The utter lack of preparation for the hurricane and the gross inadequacy of the New Orleans’ levee system constitute an indictment of a social and economic system—capitalism—which subordinates all human needs to the requirements of corporate profit and the accumulation of personal wealth.<br><br>The archaic and reactionary economic principles which left New Orleans defenseless—and which are being upheld by Bush, regardless of the human consequences—must not be allowed to dictate how the catastrophe will be dealt with.<br><br>Working people should demand the organization of a massive national relief effort, utilizing all necessary resources, to rebuild the devastated areas and restore the lives of the survivors.<br><br>Those who are now refugees require an influx of funds to secure shelter, food and other necessities until they are able to relocate and stabilize their living conditions.<br><br>People who have lost their homes and their possessions must be provided with the resources they need to relocate, rebuild, and, so far as possible, recover fully from the disaster that has befallen them.<br><br>The rebuilding New Orleans will be an enormous task, but it is one that can and must be carried out. Not only must homes and buildings be rebuilt, restored or replaced, but a new and much improved levee system must be put in place, and serious efforts undertaken to implement a longer-term response to the hurricane threat.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/hurr-s01.shtml">wsws.org/articles/2005/se...-s01.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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IMPEACH

Postby anon » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:07 pm

Like all of you I am beyond anger and sadness, I feel like I could explode - and I don't even live near New Orleans. Today I wrote my two U. S. Senators from Wisconsin and ALL of the representatives from the state (including Sen-sen-brenner). I told them I am extremely digusted with the response to this disaster by the federal government, that they are RESPONSIBLE for the deaths of thousands already dead and thousands more dying, and that there is only ONE appropriate response to this failure. My last line was "Impeach Bush and Cheney (if anyone can find him)". <p></p><i></i>
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Re: IMPEACH

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:13 pm

Ellie's theory probably has merit, but part of the problem is that Bush isn't really in charge of anything. Now, anyone seen that Cheney guy?<br><br>OH, and I note that Dennis Hastert could not make the congressional session today for appropriating funds for relief because he had a FUNDRAISER.<br><br>On the other hand, this General Honore may be our lead in to martial law, but he looks like he understand that when there is food outside a city and people inside a city that a good plan is to transport from the former to the latter. troops and food and water are showing up in a fairly orderly way at this moment. This guy's a cajun...I'm sure he has deep ties to this area. I hope all of his leadership is sincere and is no coopted by any other agendas. <p></p><i></i>
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