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Re: What we are witnessing

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:30 pm

I just had to chime in with the others and say to Dream's End: "Absolutely brilliant analysis!" Should be published far and wide......Thanks for being part of this community.<br><br>I wonder if the military, "locked and loaded, shoot to kill" the looters, applies to the looting cops as well? Pigs. <p></p><i></i>
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Where's Cheney?

Postby Ferry Fey » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:11 pm

NEWSDAY August 27, 2005, 5:14 PM EDT<br><br>NEW YORK -- The dean of New York's congressional delegation suggested in a television interview that Vice President Dick Cheney may not be healthy enough to perform his duties. <br><br>Rep. Charles Rangel was being interviewed on NY1, the New York City-based all-news channel, when he was asked Friday night whether he thought President Bush was taking too much vacation time this summer. <br><br>Oh no, it makes the country a lot more safe," the Manhattan Democrat said. "The further Bush is away from Washington, the better it is. And sometimes I don't even think Cheney is awake enough to know what's going on. Rumsfeld is the guy in Washington to watch. He's running the country," <br><br>"Cheney's not awake enough?" reporter Davidson Goldin asked. <br><br>"Well, he's a sick man you know," Rangel said. "He's got heart disease, but the disease is not restricted to that part of his body. He grunts a lot, so you never really know what he's thinking." <br><br>Asked whether he was suggesting that Cheney was not healthy enough to do his job, Rangel said, "Why do you think people are spending so much time praying for President Bush's health?" <br><br>"If he ever leaves and Cheney's in charge, there's not very much to pull together for the rest of our nation," he concluded. "This is a sad state of affair." <br><br>The White House declined comment Saturday. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--rangel-cheney0827aug27,0,7706994.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork&track=mostemailedlink">www.newsday.com/news/loca...mailedlink</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Where's Cheney?

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:14 pm

So if Cheney is half dead then the question becomes: Who is in charge? Because Bush can't do anything without being wired. So who is the new puppetmaster? Scooter? KKKarl? <p></p><i></i>
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collective minds?

Postby Sokolova » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:22 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ellie's theory probably has merit, but part of the problem is that Bush isn't really in charge of anything. Now, anyone seen that Cheney guy?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> I don't think any one individual is in charge, or ever is in governments anywhere. I think we have to view administrations as a kind of collective 'animal', like a sponge, and this particular sponge is sociopathic, disconnected, intellectually limited and increasingly insane. <br><br>Ellie <p></p><i></i>
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Re: collective minds?

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:49 pm

What a difference 24 hours make. At the exact same time as General Honore shows up with supplies and troops, Bush is filmed hugging the victims in Biloxi. An hour later, Laura Bush is in a shelter talking about all the things working "right" in Louisiana. The images are masterful. A woman and a girl come up to Bush in tears and he puts his arms around them and kisses them on the head as he huddles with them in consolation and grief. <br><br>Honore comes in and projects strong leadership. "It it was easy, it would be done already." He says that the high water prevented earlier shipments of food. No word as to why helicopters weren't used. See, they don't go through water and...well, anyway<br><br>FOX is playing it up big and CNN is getting the message as well. This crisis is over (unless that oil spill on the Mississipi gets larger...or gets lit). We have a long period of "rebuilding" and "healing" ahead, but it's not time to play the "blame game". We need to come together as a nation.<br><br>Will this work? Can this hold? <br><br>If no word of body counts comes out...especially body counts of deaths from the last three days of inaction, there's a chance that they can simply ride this out. I wouldn't have thought it was possible, but even I underestimated their competence at what they do best. They create reality and we are left behind shaking our head in wonder.<br><br>The long term struggle, of course, is a different matter. But with refugees dispersed, their impact and plight can be more easily hidden. <br><br>Gas futures went lower...at least a few hours ago...and the stock market continues with far less impact than if Alan Greenspan catches a cold. <br><br>All is well, America. All is well. <p></p><i></i>
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Chemical Explosion

Postby heath7 » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:49 pm

They are reporting that it was a chemical storage plant that massively exploded. I've heard absolutely no speculation what chemicals were released?! I've also heard nothing about further evacuations today. Today's news seems focused on all the supplies and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>people</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> (40,000?!) being brought into the city. <br><br>I am reminded, by this, of the thousands of tons of depleted uranium dropped on Iraq. We know our government has been unconcerned about DU, and now they are unconcerned about unidentified chemicals that could be killing every stranded survivor in NOLA, for all anyone knows. <br><br>Further, the chemical explosion could feasibly serve in the future as partial reasoning for not rebuilding this toxic city. Just last night MSNBC had some 'expert' on who was theorizing that the soup of New Orleans could turn out to be so dangerous that the city won't be inhabitable for five or six years!<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Come out, come out, wherever you are

Postby Ferry Fey » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:53 pm

Dan Froomkin WASHINGTON POST 8/31<br><br>Vice President Cheney, who has spent part of August at his home outside scenic Jackson, Wyo., remains there today -- although his spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, doesn't call it vacation.<br><br>"He's working from Wyoming today," McBride told me this morning.<br><br>So what is his day like in Jackson? Any fly-fishing on the Snake River during his work day?<br><br>"He's already had his morning briefings," McBride said. "He'll have some other internal staff meetings." Beyond that, McBride said, she would have to check and get back to me. I missed her call back but will try to reach her again.<br><br>And when is he coming back? "He will certainly be coming back. I'm not able to tell you the day right now. I don't have that handy."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/08/31/BL2005083101127_5.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...127_5.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Thanks to <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.americablog.org/">www.americablog.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> for these two pieces. Great source of up-to-the minute news and analysis. Seems to be getting a lot of traffic at the moment, it's been hard to get it to load)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Even Mr Bill knew

Postby ferryfey » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:10 pm

Even squishy little claymation puppet Mr Bill (<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Oh NOOOOOOO!!!!"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->) knew about the levees and the wetlands.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/09/even-mr.html">rudepundit.blogspot.com/2...en-mr.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2004/0122/1715528.html">espn.go.com/outdoors/cons...15528.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Rebuilding

Postby RollickHooper » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:10 pm

There has to be docks and piers and warehouses and an open canal for barge traffic and support services for shipping, and for oil and gas workers, their families--I think if there's a silver lining at all we have an opportunity to design something better from the [water table] up. But let the delta go back to being wetlands, let it heal itself.<br>But we also need to stay angry in the weeks and months to come. I've seen several just-kidding-around op ed pieces about secession of the blue states from the red; I mean I do believe there really are people who say My GOP, Right or Wrong, who truly believe it was their votes put Bush and Cheney in office. Maybe it's not such a ridiculous notion to just cut the country in half and let them mismanage themselves out of existence.<br><br>RAY NAGIN FOR PRESIDENT <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rebuilding

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:22 pm

Dear Red States,<br><br>We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country,<br>and we're taking the other Blue States with us.<br><br>In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,<br>Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the<br>Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the<br>nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New<br>California.<br><br>To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave<br>states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get<br>Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.<br><br>We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and<br>Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.<br>We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.<br>You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to<br>make the red states pay their fair share.<br><br>Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the<br>Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get<br>a bunch of single moms.<br><br>Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and<br>anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq<br>at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They<br>have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for<br>no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of<br>their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in<br>Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to<br>spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.<br><br>With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80<br>percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the<br>pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95<br>percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at<br>state dinners), 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high<br>tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living<br>redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister<br>schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.<br><br>With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope<br>with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected<br>health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100<br>percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99<br>percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all<br>televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and<br>the University of Georgia.<br><br>We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.<br><br>Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah<br>was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is<br>sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44<br>percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that<br>Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds<br>believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.<br><br>By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that<br>dirt weed they grow in Mexico.<br><br>Peace out,<br>Blue States<br> <p></p><i></i>
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i heart helicopter pilots

Postby AnnaLivia » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:39 pm

quote DE: "I wouldn't have thought it was possible, but even I underestimated their competence at what they do best. They create reality and we are left behind shaking our head in wonder."<br><br>so. another potential hanging jury is lost to the spell of the criminal cabal despite undeniable evidence they saw with their own eyes. this is how it will be?<br><br>i can't promise it is going to be any easier to pull the teflon off the very idea of having wealthpower giants than it is to pull the teflon off Bush, but i do know this:<br><br>we will run out of energy if we keep trying to pull teflon off the individuals, one after another.<br><br>there IS an over-arching, undeniable, permanent solution, and that is to murder the idea of having wealth-power giants EVER, AT ALL. economic equity = justice = peace = happiness = us under our own control = New Orleans CREATED disaster never happens again.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: i heart helicopter pilots

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:49 pm

I still have hope. If independent journalists or just plain folks are somehow able to provide witness. If the stories can come out...as the man on CNN just an hour ago who said he tried to evacuate but the highway was BLOCKED by authorities...<br><br>There was no reason, really, for many deaths at all. The water came up fairly quickly but not nearly as quickly as a devastating hurricane storm surge would have caused. THe storm was over, so no reason not to have the helicopters out announcing that the levy had breached. I GUARANTEE you that people would have evacuated then...if only up to the French quarter and higher ground. <br><br>There should have been police at every corner...starting as close to the levee as they could get...with bullhorns, flashing lights, disco dancers...whatever it took. Did this happen?<br><br>Truth tellers needed. Apply within.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: f*ing disgusted

Postby thrulookingglass » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:00 pm

I recognize that things have deteriorated considerably in the big eazy but...what's that saying...something like an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of...I don't know...anyhow lets go shoot some impoverished, oppressed, and desperately destitute colored persons. As if you weren't disgusted enough (btw, that is sarcasm above, just to make sure i'm understood!)<br>snip-<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Lt. Gen. Steven Blum of the National Guard said 7,000 more National Guardsmen arriving in Louisiana on Friday would help restore order in New Orleans, where armed robberies, rapes and assaults have been reported. <br><br>“They have M-16s and they’re locked and loaded,” Gov. Kathleen Blanco said earlier. “These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>Judge, jury and executioner. I'm writing my Senators and Representitives as well. I hope you will join me in this act. I know it is not enough, but it is certainly necissary. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: f*ing disgusted

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:05 pm

Oh, if only Michael Moore could throw together a quick film, juxtaposing that governor's words, Bush's smirks and pitiful guitar playing against a backdrop of these poor people's suffering. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/2/05 3:05 pm<br></i>
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Re: f*ing disgusted

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:15 pm

Mike Ruppert about NO<br><br>YOU BET YOUR LIFE<br>By Michael C. Ruppert<br><br>September 2, 2005 0600 PST (FTW) -- Following these remarks is a brilliant piece of reporting by the American Progress Action Fund. It makes a clear case for what we are all now suspecting and seeing: the Bush administration is horribly mismanaging relief efforts along the Gulf Coast. Several things are now becoming clear. It is unlikely that New Orleans will ever be significantly rebuilt. When we talk about collapse as a result of Peak Oil, New Orleans is an exemplary – if horrifying – glimpse of what it will look like for all of us. In the case of New Orleans, however, it’s happening about two or three times as fast as we will see it when Peak Oil becomes an unavoidable, ugly, global reality. How long? Months. If we’re lucky, a year. As of August 2005 it’s not just a race to make sure that a particular region is not eaten by warfare and economic collapse. Mother Nature is obviously very hungry too. What region will be the next to go? What sacrifices can be offered before the inevitable comes knocking at our own personal door? Who can be pushed ahead of us into the mouth of the hungry beast in the hopes it will become sated?<br><br>How low can human beings sink? Keep watching the news. It’s not the first time civilizations have collapsed. This has all happened many times before. This behavior is not new. What is new — but is now dying — is our enshrined belief that there were to be no consequences of our reckless consumption and destruction of the ecosystem. What is now dying a horrible death is America’s grotesque global arrogance, brutality and cupidity.<br><br>What is not being discussed rationally by the mainstream media is Katrina’s impact on energy production. They don’t dare. By my calculations and those of oil energy expert Jan Lundberg, the United States has just lost between 20% and 25% of its energy supply. My projection is that it’s not coming back — at least not most of it.<br><br>As a result of Katrina, Saudi Arabia has finally admitted that it cannot increase production. Many of us knew they’ve been lying for at least two years. The Energy Information Administration has just admitted that global demand has been outstripping supply for several months before Katrina. Nice time to start telling the truth. Nature is finally calling everybody’s bluff. The liars, deniers and mentally ill will be exposed soon enough and they will pay their own price. Daniel Yergin will finally get his comeuppance. FTW’s race is to reach as many people as possible who want to prepare and are willing to prepare for this in local community settings.<br><br>You save whom you can.<br><br>Gulf energy production has four main components: drilling and production, pipeline delivery to shore, refinery capacity, and then delivery to the rest of the nation. We have heard precious little about the damage to Louisiana’s Port Fourchon which is the largest point at which energy passes from sea to land in the region. It is heavily damaged and mostly inoperable for now, despite optimistic financial reports, intended to calm the markets, stating that “damage is minimal.” I am quite sure that I speak for the maybe 250,000 New Orleans residents who couldn’t or wouldn’t get out when I say, “Screw the markets!”<br><br>Production, if and when it starts trickling again, will most likely shift to Port Murphy or to Lake Charles. Sounds easy in the abstract, but the corporate headquarters at which to make and implement those decisions were mostly located in New Orleans. Shifting energy flows will never replace what was lost because those two facilities already face the daunting task of restoring their own output. They can’t handle the additional burden of compensation for what has been lost. As one astute and great researcher put it, “How will the oil companies even find their workers or tell them where to report for work?” Where will the workers live? Where will they buy groceries? How will they get to and from work if the gasoline they’re supposed to produce isn’t there? The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP) is also much more seriously damaged than press accounts disclose. It’s here that supertankers from overseas (used to) offload. They have no place else to do it. They’re too big. I have seen video of LOOP damage which doesn’t look anything like the minimal damage that’s been reported. OK, so when the port is fixed what about the damaged pipelines running to shore? How many boat anchors have been dragged over them? In how many places are they ruptured, crushed or broken?<br><br>As many as twenty offshore rigs have now been confirmed as adrift, capsized, listing or sunk. Each rig may have as many as eight wells. Where’s the money coming from to replace them? How long will that take?<br><br>Bottom line: my assessment is that New Orleans is never going to be rebuilt and that US domestic oil production will never again reach pre-Katrina levels. The infrastructure is gone, the people are gone, and the US economy will be on life support very, very quickly. If people are griping at $5.00 gasoline what will they do when it’s $8.00? $10.00? Start shooting (the wrong people)? How difficult is it to rebuild in that kind of social climate? And if US oil production does not soon exceed pre-Katrina levels then the US economy is doomed anyway. It’s a catch-up game now. I think it’s quite likely that the Bush administration is responding so ineptly in part because it is in a complete crisis mode realizing that the entire United States is on the brink of collapse and there’s very little they can do about it. The Bush administration doesn’t know how to build things up, only blow them up. They aren’t worrying about New Orleans because they’re frantically triaging the rest of the nation and deciding what can be saved elsewhere.<br><br>What lingers for all of us is the inexplicably bovine behavior of the Bush administration. And how in the name of a loving God could Louisiana’s Attorney General Charles Foti say on national television that he will prosecute those who loot for survival with the same vigor as those who have looted for profit and greed? Even New Orleans police are smarter and better than this. They’re letting people go who have taken food, water, shoes that fit their feet and clothing that fits their bodies. Those who understand the situation condemn Mr. Foti’s callous and unreasoned position in the strongest possible terms.<br><br>And may God have mercy on the Democratic Party if it approaches the 2008 campaign with a platform saying that oil will flow, the prices will fall, and unbridled consumption will return if only we elect Hillary.<br><br>I was on ABC network satellite radio yesterday and after the show I repeated an observation that has been clear to me for some time. “Demand destruction” has become a priority not only to mitigate Peak Oil but also to mitigate global warming. The United States, with 5% of the world’s people, consumes (wastes) 25% of the world’s energy. How do you destroy demand? You collapse the economy. Homeless, unemployed “refugees” (what a cold, depersonalizing term) don’t buy gas, take trips, fly on airplanes or buy consumer goods (made with energy and requiring energy to operate). They don’t use air conditioning because they can’t afford it. They are the embodiment of Henry Kissinger’s infamous term “useless eaters,” a phrase from the Nazi vocabulary. If energy demand destruction, as acknowledged by the Bilderbergers and the CFR, is a priority, then the only – I repeat only – beast that must be tamed is the United States.<br><br>What happens when we run out of the poor and “minority” people whom our country has historically regarded as expendable – and the beast is still not satisfied?<br><br>The people in New Orleans and Mississippi are being sacrificed just as surely as the World Trade Center, Pentagon and airline victims were sacrificed on 9/11.<br><br>The most chilling thing I have heard is that hurricane Katrina fell on the thirteenth anniversary of Hurricane Andrew which devastated Florida in 1992. Hurricanes are named alphabetically. Andrew was the first tropical storm of 1992. Katrina was the eleventh of 2005 and the hurricane season is just beginning. There are more storms forming now. Some of them will most likely become very large hurricanes because water temperatures are so high in our dying oceans.<br><br>Go ahead. Tell me we’ve all been wrong about Peak Oil, about climate collapse, and the metastatic corruption of our government and economic system. Now it’s an easy bet and one that we will not have to wait long to settle. I’ll take your wager.<br><br>As New Orleans is showing us, and as Groucho Marx once said, “You bet your life!”<br><br>---------------------------<br>© Copyright 2005, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/090205_bet_life.shtml">www.fromthewilderness.com...life.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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