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Re: f*ing disgusted

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:35 pm

Copied from Eloriel at DU ( <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4588088">www.democraticunderground...04x4588088</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> )<br>ATTN DU RESEARCHERS -- LIHOP evidence stacking up<br><br>It's time for everyone interested to get serious about documenting this. Some DUers think supplies and help were held up until Bush got there, but I strongly believe they just took advantage of the fact that they couldn't withhold help much longer, thanks to a media that was finally (FINALLY!) showing and telling some truth about what was going on in the world.<br><br>I believe that they withheld help for this long for the following reasons:<br><br>* As a test case or lab experiment for possible/planned future LIHOP/MIHOP events on the order of 9-11, tho probably radiological and/or biological/chemical. Always nice to be able to tweak your plans and approaches.<br><br>* As an opportunity to blame the victims -- something already institutionalized as the "corporate culture" of DHS and FEMA (after all, this administration has been at fault for conditions being worse than they needed to have been, so a little blaming the victims can help with that):<br><br>DNC: Chertoff Blames Refugees and the Dead for Their Fate<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4552525">www.democraticunderground...04x4552525</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/09/chertoff_blames.php">www.democrats.org/a/2005/...blames.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>* As an opportunity to further blame the victims for their own deaths, by letting/causing the crisis to spin out of control so that social unrest and "lawlessness" reaches fever pitch and they get to:<br><br>- declare martial law<br>- have the rest of us CLAMORING, BEGGING for federal troops to restore order<br>- send in federal troops (the new Northern Command, or whatever it is)<br>- blur the distinction between civilian and military law enforcement<br>- maybe even get that pesky ole Posse Commitatus law discarded, at long last (the one that prevents military from domestic law enforcement)<br>- exert federal control via federal troops instead of state and local control over NG<br><br>And probably other things I'm not even thinking about. Please feel free to add your own.<br><br><br>And of course, the ever popular<br>* Simple racism and classism -- who cares about the Little People?<br><br><br>So, I believe THE PHOTO OPS were simply opportunistic (or perhaps planned for anyway, but NOT the main reason for the delay in getting help there). "Okay, as long as we have to put up now, might as well look like heroes doing it."<br><br>Here are some threads that support my LIHOP/MIHOP theory -- PLEASE add others that come to your attention. Thank you.<br><br>In the meantime, please also start documenting things -- not just in this thread, but saving key articles that may expire or disappear to your hard drive, etc.<br><br>National Guard not allowing aid into the city (Mistrel Boy)<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4578745&mesg_id=4578745">www.democraticunderground...id=4578745</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php">neworleans.indymedia.org/...9/3941.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>OK if this thread is true then they did withhold aid until Bush got there (refers back to Minstrel Boy's thread)<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4582681&mesg_id=4582681">www.democraticunderground...id=4582681</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Read and Weep - FEMA "turned away Police and Doctors" at the stateline<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4585831">www.democraticunderground...04x4585831</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902deputies">www.fredericksburg.com/Ne...02deputies</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/256871.html">www.wjla.com/news/stories...56871.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.zwire.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=15144436&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506035&rfi=6">www.zwire.com/site/tab1.c...6035&rfi=6</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/256903.html">www.wjla.com/news/stories...56903.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>CNO directed US naval ships to gulf coast - ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2055338">www.democraticunderground...32x2055338</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.house.gov/kirk">www.house.gov/kirk</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Holy shit. Cafferty surmises that the Bush photo op and the convoy<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4586627&mesg_id=4586627">www.democraticunderground...id=4586627</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>post: not getting authorization from FEMA<br>I was watching the local news on the NBC affiliate<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4578745&mesg_id=4583348">www.democraticunderground...id=4583348</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>See middle of this post for mid-level officer in NG reaction<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1746396&mesg_id=1746500">www.democraticunderground...id=1746500</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>planes did NOT report being shot at:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4582951&mesg_id=4582951">www.democraticunderground...id=4582951</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205">abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I am waaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here ........<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2052697&mesg_id=2052697">www.democraticunderground...id=2052697</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>WHY is this being allowed to happen?<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4561501&mesg_id=4561501">www.democraticunderground...id=4561501</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Randi: "I am starting to believe that this is what they wanted" n/t<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4555906#4556443">www.democraticunderground...06#4556443</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, its Strategy of Tension, got it.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4556189&mesg_id=4556189">www.democraticunderground...id=4556189</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Bush WANTS Katrina victims to die.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2051070">www.democraticunderground...32x2051070</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Anyone know what happened to the Scanner Feed I had been listening to?<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4556646#4556813">www.democraticunderground...46#4556813</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Reporter on WWL-TV "Same amount of choppers in the air....<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4560552">www.democraticunderground...04x4560552</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>THE BOY SCOUTS!! THE FREAKING BOY SCOUTS!!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4558434">www.democraticunderground...04x4558434</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>FEMA to Russia: Don't send aid!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557266">www.democraticunderground...04x4557266</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...7164.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>LIES from FEMA!!!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4558159&mesg_id=4558159">www.democraticunderground...id=4558159</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Why did it seem like a lightbulb came on in the FEMA guy's head when<br>Anderson Cooper mentioned air lifting food.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557950">www.democraticunderground...04x4557950</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>what the aircraft carrier will really do<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557762">www.democraticunderground...04x4557762</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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CNN: Jack Cafferty

Postby Fearless » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:45 pm

The bulk of his emails mentioned the draft or a mandatory 2-year military service.<br><br>Hmmmm<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Eyewitness site

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:36 pm

This interview comes from a site of a guy who stayed behind on purpose with some friends. It's kind of an odd group as they talk about themselves in military terms, with "team alpha" etc. He's very familiar with military equipment as well and spends most of his time taking unclear pictures of alleged looters....mostly people just standing around. That said, I have only just now started checking out the site. I found this interview. Some truth emerges:<br><br>        <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Real News<br>The following is the result of an interview I just conducted via cell phone with a New Orleans citizen stranded at the Convention Center. I don't know what you're hearing in the mainstream media or in the press conferences from the city and state officials, but here is the truth:<br><br>"Bigfoot" is a bar manager and DJ on Bourbon Street, and is a local personality and icon in the city. He is a lifelong resident of the city, born and raised. He rode out the storm itself in the Iberville Projects because he knew he would be above any flood waters. Here is his story as told to me moments ago. I took notes while he talked and then I asked some questions:<br><br> Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses which they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.<br><br> It's been 3 days, and the buses have yet to appear.<br><br> Although obviously he has no exact count, he estimates more than 10,000 people are packed into and around and outside the convention center still waiting for the buses. They had no food, no water, and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.<br><br> There are many infants and elderly people among them, as well as many people who were injured jumping out of windows to escape flood water and the like -- all of them in dire straights.<br><br> Any attempt to flag down police results in being told to get away at gunpoint. Hour after hour they watch buses pass by filled with people from other areas. Tensions are very high, and there has been at least one murder and several fights. 8 or 9 dead people have been stored in a freezer in the area, and 2 of these dead people are kids.<br><br> The people are so desperate that they're doing anything they can think of to impress the authorities enough to bring some buses. These things include standing in single file lines with the eldery in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows and anything else that would show the people are not barbarians.<br><br> The buses never stop.<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Before the supplies were pitched off the bridge today, people had to break into buildings in the area to try to find food and water for their families. There was not enough. This spurred many families to break into cars to try to escape the city. There was no police response to the auto thefts until the mob reached the rich area -- Saulet Condos -- once they tried to get cars from there... well then the whole swat teams began showing up with rifles pointed. Snipers got on the roof and told people to get back.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> He reports that the conditions are horrendous. Heat, mosquitoes and utter misery. The smell, he says, is "horrific."<br><br> He says it's the slowest mandatory evacuation ever, and he wants to know why they were told to go to the Convention Center area in the first place; furthermore, he reports that many of them with cell phones have contacts willing to come rescue them, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>people are not being allowed through to pick them up. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><br>I have "Bigfoot"'s phone number and will gladly give it to any city or state official who would like to tell him how everything is under control.<br><br>Addendum: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bigfoot just called to report that "they" (the authorities) are cleaning up the dead bodies at the Convention Center right now. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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which fire dept. should we call?

Postby AnnaLivia » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:40 pm

If Starman was watching Condi a few minutes ago, i hope he was close to a fire extinguisher. betcha dollars to donuts he's gonna spontaneously combust.<br><br>"No offer of foreign aid has been refused", says she. but, oops...i forgot to say that no offer has been accepted, either.<br><br>not to worry. some couple of guys are in an office right now, working to match the list of offers to what's needed on the ground...to meet the immediate need. she used the words immediate need like they still spoke of the future<br><br>uh yup uh yup uh yup she did.<br><br>and of course we're reassured by every official, that all the alphabet agencies are doing all they can to assist each other.<br><br>precisely. <p></p><i></i>
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Cheney HAS been busy at his home in WY

Postby Fearless » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:41 pm

Halliburton gets the contract for Katrina clean-up. Even before the victims get food and water!<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685">www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney HAS been busy at his home in WY

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:47 pm

You beat me to the Halliburton news, Fearless. At lest we know where those $10.5 billion are going. <br><br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney HAS been busy at his home in WY

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:49 pm

So Haliburton gets the first slice already. <br><br>Interesting tid bit in the story:<br>> The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees.<br><br>So we are now waiting for the Bechtel contract for the levees? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney HAS been busy at his home in WY

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:58 pm

This takes the cake. I am beyond indignation! <p></p><i></i>
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let's see...which country is I in

Postby AnnaLivia » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:10 pm

bush just referred to "the people of this part of the world"<br><br>4 times. on the ground in NOLA.<br><br>and one jolly reference to his partying days before he departs NO, just in case you didn't feel that other slap in your face. <p></p><i></i>
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Jamming of communications

Postby Qutb » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:20 pm

It's Wayne Madsen, FWIW:<br><br>UPDATE: We can now report that the jamming of New Orleans' communications is emanating from a pirate radio station in the Caribbean. The noise is continuous and it is jamming frequencies, including emergency high frequency (HF) radios, in the New Orleans area. The radio frequency jammers were heard last night, stopped for a while, and are active again today. The Pentagon must locate the positions of these transmitters and order the Air Force to bomb them immediately.<br><br>However, we now have a new unconfirmed report that the culprit may be the Pentagon itself. The emitter is an IF (Intermediate Frequency) jammer that is operating south southwest of New Orleans on board a U.S. Navy ship, according to an anonymous source. The jamming is cross-spectrum and interfering with superheterodyne receiver components, including the emergency radios being used in New Orleans relief efforts. The jamming frequencies are:<br><br>72.0MHZ <br><br>45.0MHZ <br><br>10.245MHZ <br><br>10.240 Mhz <br><br>11.340 Mhz <br><br>455 IF 233 MHZ <br><br>A former DoD source says the U.S. Army uses a portable jammer, known as WORLOCK, in Iraq and this jammer may be similar to the one that is jamming the emergency frequencies.<br><br>If a U.S. Navy ship is, in fact, jamming New Orleans communications, the crew must immediately shut down the jammer and take action against the Commanding Officer..<br><br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Yet MORE blown-away, the lies and horrors grow ...

Postby Starman » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:47 pm

Good Sweet Christ!?<br>Bigfoot's testimony rings true, filling-in the gaps and voids and contradictions that are too glaring to ignore -- Shades of the classified-secret Hurricane Andrew 'emergency' lockdown-quarantine in Homestead, intended to 'spare' the state of the embarrassment and expense of supporting legions of desperate-needy 'useless eaters', and to avoid the ugly questions and PR attention of evident class-race bias -- I'm steaming -- I'd also read a few stories about Troops blocking aid and refugees, but the troops acting with overt self-interested hostility to pleas for information and assistance, not even giving any appropriate, timely information or passing-on basic observations of how dire the situation was -- WHAT can the troops have been thinking? Are they ALL brainless automatons?<br><br>Frankly, that scares and chills me to the bone, an ackward counterpoint to the heat of my outrage, I'm emotionally ripped at seeing so much horrendous idiocy and contempt shown by our faux-pretend 'leaders'.<br><br>The Halliburton contract -- How fucking DARE they!!??<br>God-DAMN them to HELL! That's just too -- Fuck, I don't even have the words.<br><br>There should be hundreds, thousands of small entrepreneurs recieving those moneys, hiring locally and sharing the payroll with thousands of people who will desperately need constructive jobs. Halliburton is one of the most appalling, unexcusable abuses of political corruption, as bad as any Mafia scam. Utterly outrageous. Amazing contempt for America.<br><br>I half-tuned Condi out, no fire-extinguisher needed -- But thanks for the concern, Anna! I was reading DKOS comments on other, equally horrid FUBAR screw-ups and criminal misfeasance.<br><br>And I keep thinking of the criminal negligence in a totally inadequate lack of effective response to repair the levee breeches. If I had a small crew and a heavy-lift helicopter and enough fuel and rigging-ropes/cables, I SWEAR I could have done a 1000 times better than was done, I'd have rigged and dropped railroad flatbeds and whole cars and ripped-up cement parking-lot ties and crash-barriers, I'd have kept dumping big heavy stuff into that breech so that sandbags would have had something to wedge-against, I BET I coulda stopped those breaks. That's whole failure is simply inexcusable, a little foresight would have gone so far to preventing this massive catastrophe.<br><br>God-DAMNED, the corrupt administration has finally been shamed into acting to begin releiving some of the huge suffering -- but getting those poor folks out of town isn't being done near fast-enough -- the admin. doesn't know where to take them, that shows how unjust and inequitable our society is -- Almost better to give every head-of-household a couple thousand-dollars and assist them/encourage them to locate their own housing in rentals somewhere, plug-into the local social-services where they relocate to, so they can BEGIN to cultivate social ties and make another life for themselves. <br><br>It's a crime that the MSM can't tell the National Guard story about being so totally non-helpful.<br><br>Death estimates of '1000' for Biloxi are probably short for NO by a couple ten-thousand. After only five days, corpses are already so disfigured they can't be identified -- what's it gonna be like in another month or two???<br><br>WOW-- Breaking story coming-up on MSNBC, Former official tells of being fired when he tried to warn gov. officials of the impending disaster of NO's weaknesses.<br><br>It's so heartbreaking -- I have to consider FEMA and other Gov. agencies were ordered to frag their heels and confound recovery -- The non-action by Police and Natl. Guard seemed intended deliberately to provoke outrage and breakdown of public order. One of the Convention Cneter refugees who spoke by pnone talked of police and/or military officials who were hiding-out in their own office, unconcerned with what was going on, out of communication and unable to express or pass-on the request for needs. Thats just unbelievably horrible -- there was NO nteworking at all. Chertoff and Brown should BOTH be indicted for criminal misfeasance.<br><br>And so it goes.<br>I am SO pissed at hearing repeated 'News' BS about 'anarchy'. What a cop-out!<br><br>Starman<br><br>PS: The shortage of busses -- AHHRGHH!<br>What about the airport shuttles!??? Good GAWD the cold-blooded lack of concern which was revealed by a complete fuck-up, not using resources or scrounging for transport -- Look how many hundreds of cars and trucks and even Natl. Guard vehicles and emergency equip. (which are PUBLIC PROPERTY!!!) could have been pressed into service to simply get folks away from the city! The ARMY or FEMA could have made temporary refugee camps just to get people away from the health and violence-risk, since there were WAAAY too few police or national guard on-site to provide security at the Astrodome and Convention Cneter -- the screw-ups go on and on and on.<br><br>Man, heads GOTTA roll over this -- the idiot-morons need to learn accountability and what happens when they abrogate their duty. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Yet MORE blown-away, the lies and horrors grow ...

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:56 pm

Here's a post about an acquaintance of mine who's trapped in NOLA:<br><br>"A" is with a good group in a parking garage near the convention center. 11 people, of which two are teens , one a child, & one street performer (the only person "A" knows in the group & the one who invited him in)<br>They are keeping their heads.<br>They've looted a little water & food.<br>Cops are not letting people out of the area once they enter.<br>It's effectively a concentration camp.<br>Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together & helping each other<br>He's had a little water & one MRE.<br>He has no way to care for his leg<br>His group has a sanitation bucket & is keeping the parking garage swept clean.<br>People are going around offering water & food they loot to other survivors with mantras of "may you never thirst" & "fear is the mind killer".<br><br>They tried for the bridge but no buses of course & the Gretna police are turning refugees back-- keeping people effectively pinned in the area.<br><br>You all know about the explosions.<br><br>He sounds well for now.<br>People recognize him & he reports how friendly & supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high.<br><br>Rumors are that the cops will try to force them to move en masse before War Criminal Bush gets there, but that will be impossible.<br><br>Some buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/ support & had to turn back.<br><br>And a bit later:<br><br>"A" is a walk away from his home: where he has necessary, life saving medical supplies and water.<br>And they won't let him or anyone else leave.<br>Armed police are keeping people penned in areas without sanitation, food, or water in this heat & with no idea when such supples will arrive.<br>& people are dying.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Yet MORE blown-away, the lies and horrors grow ...

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:13 pm

Earlier I had mentioned that, on top of everything, ham radio operators were complaining that "solar flares" were interfering with radio reception. Hams are often utilized in national emergencies. I, however, was suspicious. So, it seems, was Wayne Madsen. I've been critical of him, and I accept nothing at face value, but I am going to research this a bit. Because, he said what I was thinking: the "solar flares" are actually radio jamming.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>September 2, 2005 -- Who is jamming communications in New Orleans? Ham radio operators are reporting that communications in and around New Orleans are being jammed. In addition, perplexed ham radio operators who were enlisted by the Federal government in 911 are not being used for hurricane Katrina Federal relief efforts. There is some misinformation circulating on the web that the jamming is the result of solar flares. Ham radio operators report that the flares are not the source of the communications jamming. If anyone at the National Security Agency is aware of the source of the jamming, from direction finding or satellite intelligence, please discretely contact me at waynemadsendc@hotmail.com (from a private or temporary email account). In this case, the Bush administration cannot hide behind national security and it is the duty of every patriotic American to report such criminal activity to the press. Even though the information on the jamming may be considered classified -- it is in the public interest to disclose it. Also, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is reporting that no aircraft over New Orleans have been fired on over New Orleans or anywhere else in the area. Are the reports of shots being fired at aircraft an attempt by the Bush administration to purposely delay the arrival of relief to the city's homeless and dying poor? The neocons have turned New Orleans into Baghdad on the Mississippi.<br><br>antenna.jpg (2074 bytes)<br><br>New Orleans: Who is jamming communications and why?<br><br>UPDATE: We can now report that the jamming of New Orleans' communications is emanating from a pirate radio station in the Caribbean. The noise is continuous and it is jamming frequencies, including emergency high frequency (HF) radios, in the New Orleans area. The radio frequency jammers were heard last night, stopped for a while, and are active again today. The Pentagon must locate the positions of these transmitters and order the Air Force to bomb them immediately.<br><br>However, we now have a new unconfirmed report that the culprit may be the Pentagon itself. The emitter is an IF (Intermediate Frequency) jammer that is operating south southwest of New Orleans on board a U.S. Navy ship, according to an anonymous source. The jamming is cross-spectrum and interfering with superheterodyne receiver components, including the emergency radios being used in New Orleans relief efforts. The jamming frequencies are:<br><br>72.0MHZ <br><br>45.0MHZ <br><br>10.245MHZ<br><br>10.240 Mhz <br><br>11.340 Mhz<br><br>455 IF 233 MHZ <br><br>A former DoD source says the U.S. Army uses a portable jammer, known as WORLOCK, in Iraq and this jammer may be similar to the one that is jamming the emergency frequencies.<br><br>If a U.S. Navy ship is, in fact, jamming New Orleans communications, the crew must immediately shut down the jammer and take action against the Commanding Officer..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">www.waynemadsenreport.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There are a lot of science minded folks here. Anyone know the best way to find out about whether solar flare activity could actually have been the culprit?<br><br>Just found this from a ham radio site:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>SEATTLE, WA, Sep 2, 2005--Geomagnetic activity was down quite a bit from last week, but solar wind and a south-pointing Interplanetary Magnetic Field late Wednesday left Earth vulnerable. Mid-latitude K-index reached 4, and the planetary K index rose to 6. The IMF is from our sun, and the point where it contacts Earth's magnetic field is called the magnetopause. Earth's magnetic field protects us from solar wind, and the Earth's magnetic field at the magnetosphere usually points north. When the IMF points south, however, it is opposite Earth's magnetic field, and the two link up. This carries energy from the sun directly into the earth, and this can cause aurora and geomagnetic instability. This is generally bad for high-frequency radio propagation.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/09/02/3/?nc=1">www.arrl.org/news/stories...02/3/?nc=1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've written the author to ask if this could explain what the radio operators were experiencing yesterday. Depending on his answer, I may spring the Madsen article on him to get his reaction. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 9/2/05 8:27 pm<br></i>
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Proof that rescue boats turned away

Postby Dreams End » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:16 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-caneboats0205sep02,0,4766048.story?coll=sfla-news-florida">www.sun-sentinel.com/news...ws-florida</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>        <br><br>Airboaters stalled by FEMA<br><br>The pilots stand ready to go help hurricane victims but have not been allowed to do so.<br><br>Nancy Imperiale<br>Sentinel Staff Writer<br>Posted September 2 2005<br> <br>As a flooded New Orleans sinks further into despair, up to 500 Florida airboat pilots have volunteered to rescue Hurricane Katrina victims, transport relief workers and ferry supplies.<br><br>But they aren't being allowed in. And they're growing frustrated.<br><br>Adblock<br>"We cannot get deployed to save our behinds," said Robert Dummett, state coordinator of the Florida Airboat Association. He said the pilots, who range from commercial airboat operators to weekend pleasure boaters, "are physically sick, watching the New Orleans coverage and knowing that the resources to help these poor people is sitting right in our driveways."<br><br>On standby since Monday, the pilots -- many from Central Florida -- have spent thousands of their own dollars stocking their boats and swamp buggies with food, water, medical supplies and fuel.<br><br>But the Federal Emergency Management Agency will not authorize the airboaters to enter New Orleans. Without that permission, they would be subject to arrest and would not receive security and support services.<br><br>The airboat association has complained to several congressmen who have contacted the federal agency on their behalf.<br><br>"To me, 500 airboats seems a perfect solution to the chaos and difficulty getting people out of their flooded homes," said U.S. Rep Mark Foley, R-Palm Beach Gardens. "I'd love them to be able to go in and help, and that's what I've conveyed to FEMA."<br><br>A FEMA representative said citizen volunteers are not being allowed into New Orleans for one big reason: It's just not safe.<br><br>"I think it's understandable, particularly given the TV footage that the entire world is seeing, for folks who have a big heart to feel a little bit frustrated and want to help," said Frances Marine, Orlando's FEMA public-affairs director. "However, it's so important to be coordinated. Those areas are dangerous right now. There are health hazards and limited ways of getting in and out. . . . Right now, private citizens trying to go into those impacted areas are more hindrance than help."<br><br>That explanation doesn't sit well with one victim of Hurricane Andrew, who e-mailed the airboat association, demanding to know why they weren't in New Orleans.<br><br>"I lost my house with Andrew," said Merle Arostegui, 59, of Perrine. "I was one of those people sitting on what was left of my doorstep. Let me tell you: I could be [a victim] in New Orleans right now, and I am so frustrated.''<br><br>Meanwhile, airboat operators watch and wait.<br><br>"It's probably a 50-50 chance right now that we'll go," said James E. Brown, a 54-year-old Longwood man who heads a convoy of 14 local airboat pilots. "We're willing to go, we're able to go, but it's all up to FEMA."<br><br>However, chaos in the Big Easy is making boaters' family members nervous.<br><br>"The more that is shown on TV of the shootings and looting," Brown said, "the more loved ones are telling us: 'Don't go. You're not going.' "<br><br>Nancy Imperiale can be reached at nimperiale@orlandosentinel.com or 407-650-6323.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Red Cross kept out of NO

Postby Fearless » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:45 pm

From their own website:<br><br>Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?<br><br>Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders. <br><br>The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city. <br><br>The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents. <br><br>The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering. <br><br>The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access. <br><br>The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives. <br><br>As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524">www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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