Martial law in New Orleans

by **DrDebugDU** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:48 pm

<img src="http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/bodiessept6.jpg"/> Anderson Cooper kept talking about the bodies on Monday's 360. > "You find bodies just floating in the water. There's a man over there who's dead on the top of a car." > "The water is, as it recedes, I mean, it is going to reveal an awful lot of bodies, people inside their homes. You even see them now just floating out on the street one week after this hurricane hit. And it is still hard to believe the things you see every day." > "Heartbreaking too is the grim task ahead of the three mortuary teams now in place in New Orleans. It's their job to recover the bodies, which seem to be everywhere, floating in canals, abandoned on roadsides, still hidden in flooded homes." > "We were out there today in a shallow-bottomed boat. And what we saw was just -- I mean, it continues to just be horrific, bodies floating in the water, dogs drinking this water, dogs dead in the water, dogs starving to death." I'm seeing a lot of dogs on TV, but not a lot of bodies. I think I saw two during 360. How are news organizations reaching their decisions about showing bodies? Why aren't more still photos being shown? <a href="http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser">www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser</a> Vietnam is a jungle. Iraq is a desert. New Orleans is a swamp. Vietnam is where the yellow people live. Iraq is where the arab people live. New Orleans is where the black live. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Martin Niemöller written in Dachau <hr></blockquote>

by **Sweejak** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:05 pm

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by **dbeach** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:25 pm

I'm seeing a lot of dogs on TV, but not a lot of bodies. I think I saw two during 360. How are news organizations reaching their decisions about showing bodies? Why aren't more still photos being shown? DUNNO but isall starts sounding like conditioning by the MM and then the psoturing to present the boy/god/king geeorgie as the hero wonder if adolph ghoulianni will be called in for any biological clean-ups??

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:37 pm

Here's an answer: U.S. agency blocks photos of New Orleans dead 07 Sep 2005 00:56:29 GMT Source: Reuters NEW ORLEANS, Sept 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. government agency leading the rescue efforts after Hurricane Katrina said on Tuesday it does not want the news media to take photographs of the dead as they are recovered from the flooded New Orleans area. The Federal Emergency Management Agency, heavily criticized for its slow response to the devastation caused by the hurricane, rejected requests from journalists to accompany rescue boats as they went out to search for storm victims. An agency spokeswoman said space was needed on the rescue boats and that "the recovery of the victims is being treated with dignity and the utmost respect." "We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media," the spokeswoman said in an e-mailed response to a Reuters inquiry. <a href="http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06101601.htm" target="top">www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06101601.htm</a>

by **seemslikeadream** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:39 pm

New Orleans will force evacuations Superdome, refuge for thousands, may have to be torn down Tuesday, September 6, 2005 NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans' mayor issued an order Tuesday night authorizing the forced removal of people refusing to leave the flood-ravaged city. Mayor Ray Nagin instructed all public safety officers "to compel the evacuation of all persons ... regardless of whether such persons are on private property or do not desire to leave," according to a written statement from his office. The order did not apply to people in Algiers on the West Bank side of Orleans Parish. Many residents have refused to leave New Orleans despite a mandatory evacuation and warnings from government officials that staying in the flooded city represents a health risk. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.impact/index.html">www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06...index.html</a>

by **Ferry Fey** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:07 pm

Rarely, beyond a few wealthy communities like maybe Berkley or Woodstock, will any attempt be made to create community systems that are genuinely capable of assisting large numbers of people in a crisis. Like in an energy crisis, not to even mention a disaster, like the flooding of New Orleans, or a rad-bio-chem event -- proldic The wealthy people in Woodstock do little or nothing to create community systems, especially there. While they may contribute to the local economy by keeping the restaurants afloat, and enabling skilled workers in the building and renovation trades to buy shiny new pickups, in other ways their presence there is very damaging to the local communities. Because they've bought up so many of the homes there for weekend and vacation homes (one nearby town's clerk said that 40% of the tax bills in her town go to out of town addresses), there is a crisis of affordable housing. County-wide there is only a 1% (yes, one percent) vacancy rate. With rentals in Woodstock in such demand, the going rate in the area (without utilities in an area where temperatures can range from minus 20 degrees F. to 100 degrees) for just a two-bedroom home is around $1000. Needless to say, a divorced parent with a couple of kids has a real difficult time affording that. The fire and first aid squads are having real difficulties getting sufficient volunteers to work each shift. Many workers need to drive an hour to work, and don't have time or energy to volunteer for any town activities. Add in the stratospheric costs of health care, especially for the many people who are self-employed, and the average non-rich person hasn't the time or energy to contribute as much as they'd like to community building. That said, there is an extraordinary amount of community bonding there, and a commitment to social justice. But that manifests itself in spite of the presence of so much wealth in their midst, not because of it.

by **seemslikeadream** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:20 pm

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by **rain** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:15 am

that's my point. "incompetence". "negligence", "failure of intelligence", "failure of communication", "ignored", "investigator Bush", "chuckles",... but Jeff asked it. "can they see it?".

by **Dreams End** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:09 am

I've been keeping an eye out for info on these two policeman suicides. In all the disorder, I'd think forging a suicide note would be tough, but if reports of "booms" before the levee broke are true and some officials here it.... worth watching, anyway. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Life wasn't supposed to end this way for Sgt. Paul Accardo: alone in chaos. He wrote a note telling anyone who found him to contact a fellow officer. He was precise, and thoughtful, to the end. Then he stuck a gun into his mouth and killed himself. Accardo, 36, was one of two city police officers who committed suicide last week as New Orleans descended into death and destruction after Hurricane Katrina swept through. He was found in an unmarked patrol car Saturday in a downtown parking lot. His funeral is planned for Wednesday. Back when life was normal and structured, Accardo served as one of the police department's chief spokesmen. He reported murders, hostage situations and rapes in measured words, his bespectacled face benign and familiar on the nightly news. "Paul was a stellar guy. A perfectionist. Everything had to be just right," recalled Sgt. Joe Narcisse, who went to police academy with Accardo and worked with him in the public affairs office. Uniform crisply pressed, office in order, everything just right on his desk. That was Accardo. "I'm the jokester in the office. I'd move stuff on his desk and he didn't like that," said Capt. Marlon Defillo, Accardo's boss. "He was ready to call the crime lab to find out who messed with his desk." Maybe, Defillo reckoned, he killed himself because he lost hope that order would ever be restored in the city. A public information officer, the captain said, turns the senseless -- murder, rape, mayhem -- into something orderly for the public. "It's like dominoes scattered across a table and putting them in order." But in New Orleans for the past week, the chaos seemed endless. Like the rest of the department, Accardo worked long, difficult days -- sometimes 20 hours. He waded through the mass of flesh and stench in the Louisiana Superdome. He saw the dead in the streets. Defillo remembered how bad Accardo felt when he was unable to help women stranded on the interstate and pleading for water and food. One woman said her baby had not had water in three days. He even wanted to stop and help the animals lost amid the ruin of New Orleans, Defillo said. Unable to stop the madness and hurt, Accardo sank into depression. Narcisse remembered being on the telephone with him, complaining about the flooding when his old academy buddy cut him off mid-sentence: "Joe. Joe. I can't talk to you right now." He couldn't handle it anymore, Narcisse said. "It was like you were having an awful conversation with someone who died in your family," he said. Accardo -- who also lost his home in the flood waters -- looked like a zombie, like someone who hadn't slept in year, Defillo said. But so did so many on the 1,600-member force. Officials said Monday that between 400 to 500 officers were unaccounted for, many tending to their homes or looking for their families, and some dropping out. To lessen the stress, officers were being cycled off duty and given five-day vacations in Las Vegas and Atlanta, where they also would receive counseling. Said Mayor Ray Nagin: "I've got some firefighters and police officers that have been pretty much traumatized." Police Superintendent Eddie Compass didn't know how many had abandoned their jobs outright, but denied that it was a large number. "No police department in the history of the world was asked to do what we (were) asked," he said. But Defillo said he never thought Accardo would kill himself. "We kept telling him, 'There's going to be a brighter day; suck it up,"' Defillo said. "He couldn't shake it." According to the obituary in the Advocate of Baton Rouge, Accardo left a wife, Anne; his mother, Catherine; a brother; a sister; and eight nieces and nephews. <hr></blockquote>

by **AnnaLivia** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:20 am

who is insane and who is not? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We daily despise and deride the power-hungry, filthy rich for their utter lack of a single moral virtue, yet we as a society place no limit on wealthpower, and expect them to resist temptation. "Oh hell, here comes our funeral. Let us pry, for our missed understandings."

by **dbeach** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:32 am

lots of suicides since 11/22/63

by **DrDebugDU** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:52 am

Hearings cancelled and local officials are to be blamed... House cancels hearings on Katrina response WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The House majority leader late Tuesday tried to deflect criticism of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina by saying "the emergency response system was set up to work from the bottom up," then announced a short time later that House hearings examining that response had been canceled. Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said House Republican leaders instead want a joint House-Senate panel set up to conduct a "congressional review" of the issue. "It's the local officials trying to handle the problem. When they can't handle the problem, they go to the state, and the state does what they can to, and if they need assistance from FEMA and the federal government they ask for it and it's delivered," DeLay said. He added that Alabama and Mississippi did a much better job of responding quickly than Louisiana. Alabama and Mississippi have Republican governors. The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee said Tuesday it has begun an investigation into the government's response to the tragedy. Chairwoman Susan Collins, R-Maine, said she expects public hearings to start next week. Critics argue that the government took far too long to mobilize aid, causing thousands of storm victims to languish for days in the New Orleans Superdome without food, water and other necessities. Michael Chertoff, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), has come under intense criticism for the federal response to Katrina. The hurricane and subsequent flooding have devastated the city of New Orleans. Chertoff, who is heading the federal response to the storm, argued for days after the disaster that no one foresaw such a combination of events -- even though, in fact, lawmakers, scientists, and reporters had long warned that if a major hurricane hit the city it would be a disaster. Earlier Tuesday, House leaders met with President Bush. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California told media afterward that she was upset with the Katrina rescue effort and felt that Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), should shoulder much of the blame, and lacked the credentials to do his good job. "Michael Brown, the head of FEMA, brings nothing to the table for the level of competence and accountability," Pelosi said. "He should not continue in that job unless we want a continuation of the shortcomings that we have had in the response." In a memo dated August 29 -- the day Katrina made landfall -- Brown asked Chertoff for 1,000 DHS volunteers willing to deploy as soon as possible "for a two-week minimum field assignment" in hurricane-struck states. The memo was obtained by the media Tuesday. In it, Brown writes, "We anticipate needing at least 1,000 additional DHS employees within 48 hours and 2,000 within 7 days." According to Natalie Rule, a spokeswoman for FEMA, the employees were needed to answer phones, do community relations and help set up field hospitals, what she called "non-emergency tasks." They are not first-responders, she said. "We already had all of our first-responder teams pre-deployed -- 32 teams in all -- who went in and staged in and around the hurricane zone and were ready to go by Sunday. This is deployment that requires that the governor make a request to the federal government," Rule said. In closing, Brown says in the memo, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us meet our responsibilities in this near catastrophic event." Attached to the memo is a list of requirements for employees heading to the hurricane area, including personal supplies, contact points and physical requirements. One part of the attachment advises employees to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public." Tempers flared Tuesday during a contentious closed-door meeting between House members and Cabinet secretaries in charge of directing Katrina relief efforts. A Republican representative stood up and said, "All of you deserve failing grades. The response was a disaster," CNN was told by lawmakers emerging from the meeting. But DeLay countered that assessment later in a news conference by saying that the onus for responding to emergencies fell to local officials. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/07/katrina.congress/index.html">www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/07/katrina.congress/index.html</a> <hr /> 50 Firefighters Flown in for Bush Photo-Op On the Al Franken show this afternoon I mentioned this article from today's Salt Lake Tribune which tells the story of about a thousand firefighters from around the country who volunteered to serve in the Katrina devastation areas. But when they arrived in Atlanta to be shipped out to various disaster zones in the region, they found out that they were going to be used as FEMA community relations specialists. And they were to spend a day in Atltanta getting training on community relations, sexual harassment awareness, et al. This of course while life and death situations were still the order of the day along a whole stretch of the Gulf Coast. It's an article you've really got a to read to appreciate the full measure of folly and surreality. But the graf at the end of the piece really puts everything in perspective, and gives some sense what the Bush administration really has in mind when it talks about a crisis. The paper reports that one team finally was sent to the region ... As specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas. <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_09_04.php#006430">www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_09_04.php#006430</a> <img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050903/i/ra2838142191.jpg"/> 50 firefighters flown in to stand beside President Bush for his psyops campaign. (Keep on rolling up the sleeves)

by **dbeach** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:59 am

congressioanal review means ..wait til the public gets distracted by next story ..whether its a new tv show or some famous celeb with a dope problem call in 'distracto man' ...NEVER fails!!

by * » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:06 am

Ya gotta go to the foreign press for the photos. These are from Chile: <img src="http://www.terra.cl/megagalerias/mg7175060905/mg8219060905/2.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://www.terra.cl/megagalerias/mg7175060905/mg8219060905/3.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **Watchful Citizen** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:57 am

*(New Orleans DA Jim Garrison investigated JFK's murder and found Nazis and the CIA responsible. Garrison had seen Dachau concentration camp in WWII. Ironic that FEMA turned his New Orleans into a concentration camp for poor black Americans after storm Katrina, isn't it? -Josh)* "I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security." "In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society." <a href="http://www.maebrussell.com/Garrison/Garrison%20Playboy%20Intvw%202.html">www.maebrussell.com/Garri...w%202.html</a> >snip< I was with the artillery supporting the division that took Dachau; I arrived there the day after it was taken, when bulldozers were making pyramids of human bodies outside the camp. What I saw there has haunted me ever since. Because the law is my profession, I've always wondered about the judges throughout Germany who sentenced men to jail for picking pockets at a time when their own government was jerking gold from the teeth of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm concerned about all of this because it isn't a German phenomenon; it's a human phenomenon. It can happen here, because there has been no change and there has been no progress and there has been no increase of understanding on the part of men for their fellow man. What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution. In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same. I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.

Martial law in New Orleans

New Fallujah. The dogs are eating the corpses

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Why aren't more photos of bodies being shown?

Re:forced removal of people refusing to leave

Woodstock

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NOPD suicide

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House cancels hearings + Firefighters flown in as props

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New Orleans DA saw Dachau, fascism in USA: Kamp Katrina

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