Martial law in New Orleans

by **Peachtree Pam** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:07 pm

Drdebug dU, I have no way to record and I know this will vanish ASAP. Pam

by **DrDebugDU** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:15 pm

You might want to check out: <a href="http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/index.php?cat=19">news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/index.php?cat=19</a> bpilgrim will keep that stuff online. Sadly the site is streaming the files, however if you type "http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/albums/movs/katrina/" and then add the filename and you can download it. (For some reason I always look in the source when it is streaming video...)

by **seemslikeadream** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:37 pm

<img src="http://davidicke.com/news/data/upimages/repti.1.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:41 pm

The nut: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " This was something we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for your parents. But when these basic needs were met, people began to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community." there's that nailhead, hammer, hit sound again.

by **hanshan** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:42 pm

haha - happy to see you got your sense of humor back <img src="http://www.chud.com/demo/Underrated%20-%20folder/to%20live%20and%20die%20in%20la.jpg" style="border:0;"/> ....

by **seemslikeadream** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:09 pm

It seems that I had misplaced it. <img src="http://www.philipkdick.com/covers/maze-psm.jpg" style="border:0;"/> hahaha

by **heath7** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:32 am

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html?ei=5094&en=efe0a58b7fc8e12c&hp=&ex=1126238400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print" target="top">New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes</a> NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here. No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said. But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons. So if you can't afford someone to carry your gun for you, you're screwed. And this isn't supposed to be a class war? They're trying to convince the holdouts that's its dangerous to remain in New Orleans, while armed civilians stay to protect businesses and upscale homes. Nevermind that what's in the millionaire's house isn't everything he has in this world like the poor average schmo, just be a nice little doggy and kiss the second amendment goodbye.

by **AnnaLivia** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:01 am

June 23rd, 2005: your land is now theirs September 8, 2005: your gun is now theirs any questions?

by * » Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:23 am

<a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/WSJ_White_rich_escape_New_Orleans_chaos_dont_want_blacks_poor__0908.html">WSJ: White Rich Elude Orleans Chaos, Don't Want Poor Blacks Back</a>  WSJ: White rich elude Orleans chaos, don't want poor blacks back John Byrne The Wall Street Journal front-page headline reads, "Old-Line Families / Escape Worst of Flood / And Plot the Future / Mr. O'Dwyer, at His Mansion, / Enjoys Highball With Ice; / Meeting With the Mayor." That is, however, just the beginning. According to the (paid-restricted) Journal, New Orleans' wealthy white neighborhoods emerged very much intact, while black neighborhoods are swimming in toxic sludge. The Journal piece, by Christopher Cooper, reads as something torn from the pages of Fitzgerald's iconic portrait of the roaring twenties--The Great Gatsby. "NEW ORLEANS -- On a sultry morning earlier this week," Cooper writes, "Ashton O'Dwyer stepped out of his home on this city's grandest street and made a beeline for his neighbor's pool. Wearing nothing but a pair of blue swim trunks and carrying two milk jugs, he drew enough pool water to flush the toilet in his home." He continues: "The mostly African-American neighborhoods of New Orleans are largely underwater, and the people who lived there have scattered across the country. But in many of the predominantly white and more affluent areas, streets are dry and passable. Gracious homes are mostly intact and powered by generators. Yesterday, officials reiterated that all residents must leave New Orleans, but it's still unclear how far they will go to enforce the order." "The green expanse of Audubon Park, in the city's Uptown area, has doubled in recent days as a heliport for the city's rich -- and a terminus for the small armies of private security guards who have been dispatched to keep the homes there safe and habitable. Mr. O'Dwyer has cellphone service and ice cubes to cool off his highballs in the evening. By yesterday, the city water service even sprang to life, making the daily trips to his neighbor's pool unnecessary. A pair of oil-company engineers, dispatched by his son-in-law, delivered four cases of water, a box of delicacies including herring with mustard sauce and 15 gallons of generator gasoline." How do they want the city rebuilt? "The power elite of New Orleans -- whether they are still in the city or have moved temporarily to enclaves such as Destin, Fla., and Vail, Colo. -- insist the remade city won't simply restore the old order. New Orleans before the flood was burdened by a teeming underclass, substandard schools and a high crime rate. The city has few corporate headquarters. "The new city must be something very different, Mr. Reiss says, with better services and fewer poor people. "Those who want to see this city rebuilt want to see it done in a completely different way: demographically, geographically and politically," he says. "I'm not just speaking for myself here. The way we've been living is not going to happen again, or we're out." Not every white business leader agrees, Cooper notes. "Some black leaders and their allies in New Orleans fear that it boils down to preventing large numbers of blacks from returning to the city and eliminating the African-American voting majority. Rep. William Jefferson, a sharecropper's son who was educated at Harvard and is currently serving his eighth term in Congress, says, "This is an example of poor people forced to make choices because they don't have the money to do otherwise," Mr. Jefferson says."  **** Raise your hand if you're surprised. Thought so. While searching for an article on the deliberate breaching of the levees in the 9th ward I happened upon an interesting quote which was the caption for a photo on the NYTimes site:  "Officials at the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security confirmed that officials in Plaquemines and Jefferson Parishes had tried to call for martial law, which is not authorized by the State Constitution" Anybody know anything about martial law NOT being authorized by the constitution of Louisiana??? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 9/9/05 11:34 am

by **AnnaLivia** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:38 am

also heard Brian Williams speaking about all of the armed law-enforcement forces on The Daily Show, saying that there are more automatic weapons in New Orleans now than anywhere...wait for it...on the planet. i doubt he has counted them all, but he's been in Iraq, and many other "worst places", he said. are they waiting for Osama's Navy to attack or something? Honestly, i just don't get it. if there's a large number of personnel, and each is armed, there's going to be a large number of guns. but just how the hell do you do any clean-up work with an automatic weapon in your hands?

by **Pants Elk** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:02 am

Keeping this at the top of the agenda, because I made some less important responses that sunk it a little. And I *am* concerned the story's getting harder to see on the front pages ...

by **Dreams End** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:25 am

This is an Aug. 29 FEMA press release telling first responders NOT to respond until requested to do so by local officials. Information on what to do if local officials cannot contact FEMA or have their phone lines cut by phone lines was not included in this release. See, Brown was just trying to keept things organized and tidy. <a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=18470</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Press Releases - News, Media Advisories and Disaster Updates First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities Release Date: August 29, 2005 Release Number: HQ-05-174 Printer friendly version icon » More Information on Alabama Hurricane Katrina » More Information on Mississippi Hurricane Katrina » More Information on Louisiana Hurricane Katrina » More Information on Florida Hurricane Katrina » En Español WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact. “The response to Hurricane Katrina must be well coordinated between federal, state and local officials to most effectively protect life and property,” Brown said. “We appreciate the willingness and generosity of our Nation’s first responders to deploy during disasters. But such efforts must be coordinated so that fire-rescue efforts are the most effective possible.” The U.S. Fire Administration, part of FEMA, asks that fire and emergency services organizations remain in contact with their local and state emergency management agency officials for updates on requirements in the affected areas. “It is critical that fire and emergency departments across the country remain in their jurisdictions until such time as the affected states request assistance,” said U.S. Fire Administrator R. David Paulison. “State and local mutual aid agreements are in place as is the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and those mechanisms will be used to request and task resources needed in the affected areas.” Paulison said the National Incident Management System is being used during the response to Hurricane Katrina and that self-dispatching volunteer assistance could significantly complicate the response and recovery effort. FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003. <hr></blockquote>

by **DrDebugDU** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:49 am

Eight Big Lies About Katrina By Jeremy Schulman and Raphael Schweber-Koren, Media Matters for America. Posted September 9, 2005. <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/25227">www.alternet.org/story/25227</a> In the past week, Bush administration officials and conservative commentators have repeatedly used the national media to spread misinformation about the federal government's widely criticized response to the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina. 1. Bush: "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" <blockquote>Quote:<hr> On the Sept. 1 broadcast of ABC's Good Morning America, President Bush told host Diane Sawyer, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" that protected New Orleans from flooding. As Media Matters for America has noted, Sawyer did not challenge Bush's claim, despite numerous, repeated warnings by government officials, experts and the media that a major hurricane could cause levee breaches resulting in catastrophic flooding. A September 2 New York Times front-page article repeated Bush's false claim without challenge -- even though a Times editorial the same day declared, "Disaster planners were well aware that New Orleans could be flooded by the combined effects of a hurricane and broken levees." (...) <hr></blockquote> 2. Chertoff strained credulity in defense of Bush, claimed levee breaks and massive flooding came as a surprise -- more than 12 hours after local media reported them <blockquote>Quote:<hr>On Sept. 4, Chertoff appeared on NBC's Meet the Press and attempted to explain Bush's discredited claim that "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." After host Tim Russert asked Chertoff how the president could "be so wrong, be so misinformed," Chertoff suggested that Bush had been referring to newspaper reports the morning after the storm that New Orleans had "dodged a bullet" because the eye of the storm had passed to the east of the city. But more than 12 hours before the appearance of those headlines in print, a post on the weblog of the New Orleans Times-Picayune -- dated August 29, 2 p.m. CT -- reported, "City Hall confirmed a breach of the levee along the 17th Street Canal at Bellaire Drive, allowing water to spill into Lakeview." This initial report on the Times-Picayune weblog was followed throughout the afternoon and evening of August 29 by reports of other levee breaks and massive flooding. <hr></blockquote> 3. Brown: "We've provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day" <blockquote>Quote:<hr> On the Sept. 2 broadcast of NBC's Today, FEMA director Brown told host Katie Couric, "We've provided food to the people at the [New Orleans' Morial] Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day." Couric did not challenge this statement. But on Sept. 1, NBC News photojournalist Tony Zumbado reported on MSNBC Live: ZUMBADO: I can't put it into words the amount of destruction that is in this city and how these people are coping. They are just left behind. There is nothing offered to them. No water, no ice, no C-rations, nothing, for the last four days. They were told to go to the convention center. They did, they've been behaving. It's unbelievable how organized they are, how supportive they are of each other. They have not started any melees, any riots. They just want food and support. And what I saw there I've never seen in this country. We need to really look at this situation at the convention center. It's getting very, very crazy in there and very dangerous. Somebody needs to come down with a lot of food and a lot of water. <hr></blockquote> 4. Chertoff: "Apparently, some time on Wednesday, people started to go to the convention center spontaneously" <blockquote>Quote:<hr> On the Sept. 1 edition of CNN's Paula Zahn Now, Brown claimed, "Every person in that convention center, we just learned about that today [Thursday, September 1]." During a September 4 interview with Chertoff on CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, host Blitzer replayed Brown's comments. In response, Chertoff said: CHERTOFF: Well, I mean, this is clearly something that was disturbing. It was disturbing to me when I learned about it, which came as a surprise. You know, the very day that this emerged in the press, I was on a video conference with all the officials, including state and local officials. And nobody -- none of the state and local officials or anybody else -- was talking about a convention center. The original plan, as I understand it, was to have the Superdome be the place of refuge, of last resort. Apparently, some time on Wednesday, people started to go to the convention center spontaneously. (...) <hr></blockquote> 5. Chertoff pointed fingers: "New Orleans officials and the state officials ... called for the Superdome to be the refuge of last resort" <blockquote>Quote:<hr> In his Sept. 4 interview on NBC's Meet the Press, Chertoff attempted to place blame for the conditions at the Superdome solely with state and local officials. Chertoff asserted, "My understanding is, and again this is something that's going to go back -- we're going to go back over after the fact -- is the plan that the New Orleans officials and the state officials put together called for the Superdome to be the refuge of last resort." But this claim is misleading at best. As The Washington Post reported on September 3, a FEMA official acknowledged participating in meetings in which the plan to use the Superdome as a shelter for thousands of evacuees was discussed <hr></blockquote> 6. Chertoff falsely minimized federal government's role in Katrina response as subordinate to states <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The Bush administration has responded to criticism of its role in the Katrina disaster by attempting to deflect blame onto state and local officials in Louisiana [The New York Times, 9/5/05 ]. One way they are doing that is to claim that the federal government's role in a natural disaster of this magnitude is to provide support to state and local governments and work at their behest. Conservative media figures immediately fell into line, echoing the administration's claim that the federal government's role was subordinate (see here and here). In fact, the Department of Homeland Security's December 2004 National Response Plan clearly indicates that in these situations, the federal government will pre-empt state and local efforts and provide immediate assistance to the affected area. (...) <hr></blockquote> 7. Wash. Post, Newsweek, Gingrich falsely claimed that Blanco did not declare a state of emergency In recent days, two news articles falsely reported that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco had failed to declare a state of emergency, which had supposedly hampered the federal response. An article in the Sept. 13 edition of Newsweek claimed that "Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco seemed uncertain and sluggish, hesitant to declare martial law or a state of emergency, which would have opened the door to more Pentagon help." Likewise, a Sept. 4 Washington Post article incorrectly claimed that "As of Saturday [Sept. 3], Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency," citing an anonymous senior Bush administration official. (The Washington Post's article was later corrected, although Newsweek has yet to correct its article.) Fox News political analyst Newt Gingrich repeated the point on the September 5 O'Reilly Factor, saying, "As you [O'Reilly] point out, the governor [Blanco] failed to call the emergency. And initially, it was the governor who had to call an emergency." In fact, as the Post later noted, Blanco declared a state of emergency (PDF) on August 26. 8. Gingrich falsely claimed that Nagin could "have kept water pumped out" of city had he ensured that pumps worked <blockquote>Quote:<hr> On the Sept. 5 O'Reilly Factor, Gingrich also claimed that if New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin had been able to keep the New Orleans pumps working, the flood waters could have been pumped out of the city. "[F]irst of all, the mayor of New Orleans had a real obligation to make sure the four pumps could work. Three of them didn't. It would have kept water pumped out." In fact, New Orleans has 22 "notoriously fickle" pumping stations, according to an Aug. 31 would have been overwhelmed by the rapidly rising floodwaters (...) <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/25227">www.alternet.org/story/25227</a>

by **Starman** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:26 am

AnnaLivia wrote: "are they waiting for Osama's Navy to attack or something? Honestly, i just don't get it. if there's a large number of personnel, and each is armed, there's going to be a large number of guns. but just how the hell do you do any clean-up work with an automatic weapon in your hands?" ** Man, that has bugged the HELL out of me -- SWAT Teams, armoured Personnel Carriers, some 50,000 troops in battle dress carrying assault weapons, guarding refuse-strewn now mostly-deserted streets? Why the HELL aren't these troops put to doing some goddamn useful work, instead of just scurrying around looking earnestly fierce? It was almost a week before I finally saw civilians being moved-around to safety in army and National Guard trucks -- which after all, are OURS! I just heard on CNN -- A big snafu in the early stages that confounded Doctors from arriving to help in New Orleans was that our over-lauded FEMA under Mike Brown had apparently never considered and streamlined the need for out-of-state-Doctors to be quickly authorized MD Licensing reciprocity, or emergency exclusion given speedily. Now HOW is it possible that FEMA and Homeland Security (sic) NEVER thought about this technicality? Doctors were packed and ready to arrive in NO within 24 hours of the catastrophe striking, but they had to wait 3-4 days before the necessary 'permission' had been arranged. Man, if this isn't an accountability issue that goes allthe way to the very HEAD of the bureaucracy that appointed such incorrigible, incompetant fools as Brown and Chertoff into life-and-death critical positions: BUSH. FEMA has been 'busy' trying to condition us, We The People, to a frustrated state of enforced helplessness and dependency. This has gotta be one of the biggest snow-jobs in the category, "The Government is going to Help You. Please do not act on your own initiative -- Wait for information and instructions. Please be patient while we determine the Nature of the Emergency and make all necessary arrangements to respond in the most efficient and best way possible. If you are in an urgent situation of danger, contact your local officials and wait for your request to be processed. You will be informed if additional information may be required to help you. Please have all necessary documents and Identification on-hand. Remember -- We are here to help you. Disaster Preparation is our National Purpose. When your name is called, step forward, bend over, grab your ankles and submit." Starman PS: I don't think all New Orleans citizens are gonna go peacefully into that limbo of 'we are going to help you evacuate for your own good.' Many folks have learned that officials DON'T have their interests at heart. I think it might get even More FUBAR.

by **dbeach** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:33 am

"FEMA has been 'busy' trying to condition us, We The People, to a frustrated state of enforced helplessness and dependency. " OH YES!! and the secret council of 13.who give the marching orders..

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