Martial law in New Orleans

by **Fearless** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:00 am

"We don't have any direction from local officials on where to send the troops." Hell, watch the damn TV! Even I know where to go. My God, these people are idiots.

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:16 am

"Shall I join you at the barricades?" at this point in time it's wiser to convince a soldier of the wisdom/sanity of this idea, Dreams End.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:22 am

I just had a weird experience, but I'm going to put it here. I just watched DHS head Chertoff give a press conference. CNN said it was to be about the Hurricane Katrina. I can see how they'd make that assumption. Instead, he went on and on about how September is...... National Preparedness month. Now, I'd like to confirm this from others who may have had the TV on. I'm afraid I may be a victim of some sly mind-control/LSD experience. Michael Chertoff got on TV amidst continuing shots of thousands of people that a CNN reporter says still have no water nor any idea where they are to go or what is happening, and talked about how important it is to be prepared for disasters. I thought maybe he'd just mention it and move on...but he kept going with some handy tips for families to be prepared in the event of such disasters. CNN finally just cut him off and the anchor said he'd been talking about how they are doing everything they can (which he was not) and then noted the "irony" of "National Preparedness Month." Yeah. Irony. How about total, in-your-face mindfuck? That might be a better description. Reports also that someone was shooting at a helicopter at the SUPERDOME. The only ones who seem NOT to be confirming it are the military who were supposedly shot at. Just as conditions on the ground continue to deteriorate in New Orleans, so to do conditions of reality seem to be crumbling around our ears.

by **greencrow0** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:33 am

Scroll down this link with photos from an amateur photographer...I have saved it for the amazing photos of <a href="http://www.teendrama.com/wtc/wtc.html">www.teendrama.com/wtc/wtc.html</a> ...the neat line up of bright red trucks.... heading to the 9/11 ground zero THE MORNING OF 9/11! They must have been prepared a significant time beforehand to pick of the steel from the site...so no one could examine it...shipped off to Shang hai it was. FEMA sure had it's shit together then didn't it? So now where is the similar style of organization for New Orleans? Too bad they couldn't tap into the Mafia bosses to get their rescue trucks! The true nature of the United States is coming forth...throw some money at the problem but keep it out of my backyard. The obvious solution is for each state to volunteer to take a proportionate number of refugees to house until they can return home....but it won't happen...why? Because they're black...that's why. Then this Bolton tries to stick a money wrench into the UN. Way to go Bolton to get the world to participate in the rescue. I believe the Bushie Cabal WAS planning another false flag event....probably involving a nuclear 'dirty bomb'...but something [not so] funny happened on the way to the 'terrorist catastrophe' circus....Mother Nature stepped in and landed the US a big one....and Mother Nature's events are never false flags.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:42 am

WE need to consolidate New Orleans threads. Just posted this editorial on the other thread: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The coastal communities of South Mississippi are desperately in need of an unprecedented relief effort. We understand that New Orleans also was devastated by Hurricane Katrina, but surely this nation has the resources to rescue both that metropolitan and ours. Whatever plans that were in place to deal with such a natural disaster have proven inadequate. Perhaps destruction on this scale could not have been adequately prepared for. But now that it has taken place, no effort should be spared to mitigate the hurricane's impact. The essentials -- ice, gasoline, medicine -- simply are not getting here fast enough. We are not calling on the nation and the state to make life more comfortable in South Mississippi, we are calling on the nation and the state to make life here possible. We would bolster our argument with the number of Katrina casualties confirmed thus far, but if there is such a confirmed number, no one is releasing it to the public. This lack of faith in the publics' ability to handle the truth is not sparing anyone's feelings, it is instead fueling terrifying rumors. While the flow of information is frustratingly difficult, our reporters have yet to find evidence of a coordinated approach to relieve pain and hunger or to secure property and maintain order. People are hurting and people are being vandalized. Yet where is the National Guard, why hasn't every able-bodied member of the armed forces in South Mississippi been pressed into service? On Wednesday reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics! When asked why these young men were not being used to help in the recovery effort, our reporters were told that it would be pointless to send military personnel down to the beach to pick up debris. Litter is the least of our problems. We need the president to back up his declaration of a disaster with a declaration of every man and woman under his command will do whatever is necessary to deal with that disaster. We need the governor to provide whatever assistance is at his command. We certainly need our own county and city officials to come together and identify the most pressing needs of their constituents and then allocate resources to meet those needs. We appreciate the stress that theses elected and appointed officials have been under since the weekend but they must do a better job restoring public confidence in their ability to meet this challenge. <hr></blockquote> Another "stand down"? WHY?

by **ianrcrane** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:44 am

Seeing pictures and reading reports of the trauma being experienced in New Orleans, brings back the memories of the terrible devastation caused by Hurricane Andrew in southern Florida, back in 1992. The following link is to an eyewitness account of the horrendous events surrounding the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew and is well worth reviewing if you are interested in how much faith or trust one can place upon the federal and state governments in time of crisis. It is important that the implications and ramifications of Martial Law are fully understood. <a href="http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/hurricane.html">www.nexusmagazine.com/art...icane.html</a> Read the Nexus article on Hurricane Andrew then spread the word and hope that it may play some small part in stopping history from being repeated. Many people around the globe are incredulous as to why the people of the USA continue to tolerate the quest of the neocons. Perhaps the aftermath of Katrina will accelerate an awakening that the lies and rhetoric following 9/11 and two illegal wars have, thus far, failed to achieve. Right now, there will be many National Guardsmen and women from Louisiana and Mississippi who could be contributing to the rescue and salvage efforts along the path of Katrina, but who can only look on helplessly as they are bogged down in the quagmire of Iraq. The rest of the world offers sympathy and support to the good citizens of the USA. We pray and trust that you may recover your Constitution from those who have hijacked your good name. Hitler said, "The greater the crimes perpetrated by the leadership of a nation, the less likely it is that the people will ever believe that their leaders are capable of perpetrating such crimes." Dropping the Twin Towers in controlled demolitions on top of 343 New York Firefighters was just such an event. There are those who will claim that this is a forerunner of the divine retribution in response to the persuance of a policy of global hegemony. For my part, I would simply observe that the funding ($44m) diverted away from levee maintenance could have made a significant difference to the post-Katrina experiences of people in the Mississippi Basin. Our thoughts and prayers are with you, the people, at this difficult time.

by **greencrow0** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:44 am

"...As to looting- my first reaction is that, hey, the stuff is liable to go underwater any day/hour/minute no matter what, why not get some use out of it? "Looting" food, water, paper diapers, toilet paper, etc? So what?" My sentiments exactly...who cares about the 'stuff' that is in New Orleans? Why the emphasis by the media on 'law and order' and the 'looting blacks'? Such blatant racism during what's obviously a human catastrophe of huge proportions...it shows the true horrible fear of the US elite and it's dark underside. Why the reluctance to talk about how many have died? 100,000 people? Because that might engender sympathy and a logical response---take the survivors in! Why the tippy toeing around the criminal negligence that led to the underfunding of emergency preparedness in New Orleans? Why the 'blaming' of local officials when it was the Federal Government that removed millions from the budget! As the true enormity of this catastrophe slowly sinks in...it becomes clearer and clearer that it will dwarf the War on Iraq in its ultimate effect on the United States...in terms of economic, sociological and political impact.

by **Starman** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:54 am

Fearless said: "We don't have any direction from local officials on where to send the troops." Hell, watch the damn TV! Even I know where to go. My God, these people are idiots." **** Abso-Fucking-Lutely- Idiotic. I'm watching MSNBC and I can't fucking BELIEVE how stupid the so-called news-reporters are -- Video images of iuncounted thousands of people, and where's the fucking trucks or busses to get these people OUT? Where's the boats and coordinated Search and Rescue operations it's going to take to get at LEAST a hundred-thousand people OUT? It seems NOBODY in officialdom really understands how truly urgently dire this situation is, and how the disaster in New Orleans is escalating out-of-control even MORE -- The idiot Chertoff babbling at a DC conference about training programs for Amtrak workers ... WHAT??? Chertof is supposed to be the TO GO TO guy in CHARGE of coordinating rescue and relief, and what we're hearing is that coordination and communication is non-existent. As RobertReed said, the issue of 'looting' is SUCH a peripheral distraction -- HOW can anyone expect law and order when basic life-support services have collapsed? As someone on CNN or FOX said, the officials STILL have no idea how bad things are, which the video coverage isn't showing a tiny portion of the devastation. I'm almost speechless with outrage -- SO much idiocy. And too, as RobertReed said, WHERE'S the food and water air-drops? I'm watching the CNN video of thousands of people at the NO Convention Center -- What's going on? HOW are they being helped -- or rather, WHY AREN'T they being helped? The lack of basic information is inexcusable -- It seems NOBODY is 'in charge' overall. A massive breakdown in disaster-relief services. And the hopelessly-irritating, inappropriate, STUPID commercials that keep interrupting news reports. Also, seeing a natural-gas fire on a water-clogged NO street. Again, the 'concern' over protecting store-merchandize, when the whole CITY has to be evacuated, and NO ONE is gonna be able to salvage anything or take anything with them, is just NUTZ-- The critical needs issue is mind-boggling. At the earliest moment, FEMA needed to organize multiple, distributed assembly and coordination points throughout the city to assemble triage and search-and-rescue ops, and massive boat or air-rescues -- I mean, jeez, anyone can see what needs to be done! There's people DYING!!! Amazing ... Starman

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:56 am

I make no excuse for people who decide to disrespect themselves by casting away their integrity and character at the first chance to do so. I speak of people who are desperate not to get vital supplies, but to get something-for-nothing (our epidemic social sickness). The “looters” have a mild case. The uber-rich are in full-blown fever. How sad to watch young girls trying to hide their heads in the pile of stuff they took. The scene I saw clearly showed the girl was ashamed and embarrassed by what she had done. She knew wrong from right. The act harmed her own self more than it could ever harm anyone else, I believe. You could just see it in her face and body language. It was bad for her soul. But I also won’t condemn them, either, for two reasons. One, they’ve been robbed of their rightful share of society’s benefits for so long that they are quite naturally inclined to get some justice. This will never stop…this striving for justice. Two, their crimes are so much smaller than the crimes of the wealthpowerful, that it’s ludicrous to go after them unless you have first put away the big criminals. You have gained nothing by it. Those who are worried about looters should be scheduled in with the optician. Severe myopia is rampant. Where are all the “Cops” shows and “Bounty Hunter” shows…where they focus attention on the crimes of unrestricted organized capital? Why can’t we see who/what the really dangerous enemy is? We’d rather invent smaller worries to worry about, I guess. Too bad that’s so diabolically stupid and we can’t escape the consequences of it.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:20 pm

Don't worry about the looters. Most of them will probably be dead soon. You know, I'm not saying that the following IS the case, but the facts on the ground are now best explained by deliberate neglect rather than incompetence. Even if that is not the case, the fact that this theory explains the facts better than any other speaks volumes about how horrible this situation has gotten. But the airforce guys playing basketball while children died around them, the lack of even the easy, high photo-op aid opportunities like food and water drops, the inability to simply tell the reporters out in the field where people are to go since the reporters seem to be able to get places that troops and police are unable (!) to...all of these are best explained by deliberate inaction. When you have a Fox reporter repeating the address of this gathering place of thousands of people...all patiently waiting for help and nothing happens for hours as he shows a dying child on TV...I can't think how else to explain that. When you allow things like that, it shows you are not even wanting to maintain the APPEARANCE of assisting. What we have all witnessed is the final death of our country. I simply have no other way to explain it. Oh...there are two Katrina threads. I'd like to nominate this one to be the "official one" so I don't miss anything. If Jeff would like to start another one as the "official thread" that would be good too, as this one is getting long. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 9/1/05 10:21 am

by **human** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:24 pm

the boat rescues have now stopped... FEMA has pulled out saying its "too dangerous" because a boat was shot at... they have also told EMT's to pull out of New Orleans... its "too dangerous" the bus evacuations have been stopped because somebody took potshots at a helicopter.... what the fuck.

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:06 pm

"...the facts on the ground are now best explained by deliberate neglect rather than incompetence." i was just getting back on to say the same thing. I am convinced. plentiful evidence mounts and mounts, re-affirms again. the meme of restoring law and order is near-constantly brayed, but i don't see chaos scenes. the military is finally going to do something, all right. stage is set. aren't there like 2000 nat guard troops in that superdome? and they couldn't organize getting people on busses...so the bus drivers drove away to avoid a stampede? and by god i have not forgotten that things in Iraq are proceeding as planned, either. i am marking this day in red on the calendar. i have reached the point in all this where the sicker i feel, the MORE strength i have.

by **dbeach** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:19 pm

'But I also won’t condemn them, either, for two reasons. One, they’ve been robbed of their rightful share of society’s benefits for so long that they are quite naturally inclined to get some justice. This will never stop…this striving for justice. Two, their crimes are so much smaller than the crimes of the wealthpowerful, that it’s ludicrous to go after them unless you have first put away the big criminals. You have gained NICE SUM Would add that the MM "hero "reporters condemning the looters are as much as guilty of the TREASON as der furhrers that employ them.. "liberal media" WHADA FARCE!! ."the last one now shall be later first.."

by **Starman** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:25 pm

Dreams End: Props -- Outstanding observation and comments. "Just as conditions on the ground continue to deteriorate in New Orleans, so to do conditions of reality seem to be crumbling around our ears." I'm inclined to agree -- the lack of response seems intentional rather than the result of incompetance -- much as what we've seen in Iraq. The absolute idiotic-irony of Chertoff babbling about the 'importance' of Disaster Preparation, while people are fucking dying for want of basic water ... WHY didn't FEMA organize distributed triage-collection points throughout the city? I have to imagine what (I think) Pam said yesterday (or was it Tuesday?): Culling. After THREE DAYS, going on FOUR! -- people stranded must be running out of water if they haven't already. Good Christ -- Now a spreading storage-warehouse fire -- Oh My God -- Let's see if if there's a plan to fight this new disaster -- helicopter water-drops? I STILL can't believe there's been no effort to evacuate the people on the downtown bridges! FOX's Shephard Smith who reported on this appalling situation yesterday is reporting the same thing today. Amazing. The WH press conference -- in which the idiot Press Officer repeats inane assurances that 'everything possible is being done' -- I can't believe it. And cars and police-vehicles keep driving back and forth on this bridge where refugees are wandering around hopelessly. This is looking more and more like the horrible nexus magazine report on the Hurricane Andrews -affected Homeland area lock-down. I'm stunned. God be with the poor suffering people who apparently are being sacrificed through indescribable horror. What the FUCK??? Is the 'plan' to allow people to become so desperate that they CAN'T be rescued? After waitng four days for help that doesn't come, even lack of simple instructions and basic information about what to do -- can't the officials have recognized the need for communication, using bullhorns? Again -- they NEED to be using their busses efficiently, getting folks out of downtown NO to transhipment/triage points -- this is SUCH a basic point I can't see the fucking idiotic way the too-few busses are going all the way to Houston, a minimum 6 to 8+ hour round-trip -- they should be impressing semi-trailors and even private cars. And what about using the fucking Mississippi River with boats? The ONLY exit for stranded NO citizens is via the Superdome? What's 10X beyond 'amazing' and 'incredible'??? Has anybody looked at the latest Katrina DKOS thread for today? I've been reading the previous days threads -- a lot of good comments, observations and info, and allowing folks to vent their immense frustration. Too, too much. Starman "How about total, in-your-face mindfuck? That might be a better description."

by **DrDebugDU** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:32 pm

> I'm inclined to agree -- the lack of response seems intentional rather than the result of incompetance -- much as what we've seen in Iraq. I'm with you on that. It must be intentional, because it doesn't make sense. Since it is an emergency they can call up every military, every policemen and everyone in the fire departments from the whole country and most will rush to help. They can confiscate all the helicopers, go to all the marinas and confiscate all the boats they can use and simply get the people out of there. Drop 100,000 bottles of mineral water from airplanes. Half of the bottles will be destroyed but those which do not get destroyed get to the people. Go to the bottling plant and simply tell them that FEMA wants every last bottle of mineral water and load them into planes and drop it. Afterall that's what they did during WWII so why can't it be done now. It's just excuses... It sounds like some people wants this thing to go out of control...

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