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Hoagland, Katrina, and Pentagrams

Postby spyvsspy » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:13 pm

Any comments on the Hoaglands blog and his opinion that Katrina was possibly assisted via Haarp technology. Any thoughts on the pentagram in the eye of Katrina? <br><br>Supposedly haarp tech (tesla) has been around for awhile. Why does Eastland who is the main scientist behind Haarp have patents based on Telsa's work? Krushchev talked about an amazing super weapon in 1963. And of course we all know about Defense Secretary Cohen under Clinton, who warned of terrorism in the form of weather, earthquakes (Tsunami?), genetically targeted viruses. Telsa supposedly had to destroy his lab near colorado springs to stop an earthquake that he started. Its my understanding Haarp tech could be easily use to shut down the electric grid forever. As infrastructure rebuilds, zap and repeat.<br><br>What would you do, if you and your family did not have electricity for a week, month or year?<br><br>Again this could serve the interest of NWO or other foreign governments (China). Bilderburg leaks talked about enginneering a recession to stave off peak oil. Who uses the most oil in the world? It does not have to be the BCF, but I'm sure the BCF will take advantage of it (i.e profit), and the BCF appreciates all the people taken off the welfare (useless eaters) and more corporate welfare for Bush pioneers to rebuild a BCF version of NO (no poor people).<br><br>Lots of new recruits for the military, (3 square meals aday). Its coming. Check out Briansprediction, his latest is after next terrorist attack, Bush will give everybody in Amerika 6 months to get chipped. Anything is possible these days, don't discount any idea. Web bots predicted city of mud, next, city on the hill sliding down. Check out Cliff Sept 2. talk on webbots on www.mysteriesofthemind.com. Merlin technology for all RI readers.<br><br>Hoaglands Blog:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm">www.enterprisemission.com...weblog.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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What's he seeing?

Postby Avalon » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:19 pm

I don't see anything pentagonal in either the positive or negative versions of the Katrina eye he presents in the blog.<br><br>Have you seen anyone diagram it elsewhere? I don't know if it's my old software or not but I can't open the blog to see if there is further useful information in the 600+ (!) responses there. Nobody wants to pay for Keith Rowland's forum when they can get a chance to catch RCH's eye for free?<br><br>I guess Hoagland's buddy George Bush won't be starting the process for a manned Mars mission any time soon.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What's he seeing?

Postby Dreams End » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:43 pm

the pentagram...at least the one posted by Jeff, was a different hurrican. Ivan, I think. <p></p><i></i>
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Weather man who believes

Postby spyvsspy » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:03 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://weatherwars.info/katrina.htm">weatherwars.info/katrina.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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this is the main hyperdimensional hurricane piece

Postby nashvillebrook » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:37 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm">www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>it takes some work to understand what he's doing b/c it's a shift of thinking. has to do with the association of geometry and energy. <br><br>there's more than 650 comments on the blog piece and they aren't very helpful unless you have the background understanding, but if you've been following them like i have, you might have noticed the post about the missing satellite footage from right with katrina took it's last minute turn. on the satellite feed where those minutes should be is the map goes red, the satellite data disappears, then the map goes green, and then you see a grid of some kind, and then it's back to normal. i couldn't find good close-ups when the storm was in the gulf, but i was very satisfied that there was a transient angular quality to the eye of the storm as it traveled the gulf.<br><br>another thing to know about Hoagland is that he's an insider's outsider. he doesn't try to dumb-down his stuff too much and when he does it really doesn't add that much. the material is challenging, but very rewarding.<br><br>this is a good site too:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback139.html">www.cyberspaceorbit.com/i...ck139.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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a skeptic writes

Postby lurker » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:48 pm

I want to share with the Reader my discomfort and dissatisfaction with many of the public statements of Tom Bearden and Richard Hoagland.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/thoughts_1.htm">Critical Notes on Tom Bearden and Richard Hoagland By Arkadiusz Jadczyk </a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Lurker is a tease

Postby Dreams End » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:41 pm

Lurker, your link really had me excited...someone who apparently has a very deep understanding of quantum theory and hyperdimensional physics who is open minded about well...people like Hoagland (who I'm not actually a fan of, but it's good to see knowledgeable people having a look outside their "ivory towers." <br><br>But there's something wrong with the site, you big tease. I read the first page..the intro...and I don't see anything else. No "next" or a table of contents or anything. Am I missing something?<br><br>Also, interested to see his take on Val Valerian. Valerian (interesting name, by the way) has claimed to be an insider with the truth of the relationship between aliens and the military. His story, or versions of it, have filtered through in many ways, and, as far as I can tell, usually quite disinformational. No, disinformation is not right. I think it is some kind of experiment to see how disinfo travels. There's a core of intel people putting this stuff out. Like the whole "new age" complex...it seems like a lot of trouble for some unclear goal. Jaques Vallee had decided that much of this disinfo was put out so that at some point the PTB could announce that "we are being invaded" and then use that as an excuse for fascist policies. However, this seemed unlikely to me as there seem to be much more direct routes such as...exactly what we are noticing today.<br><br>But this thread is about Hoagland...and unless I"m just stupid, I couldn't find the rest of the article. Underneath it has "notes" and then "Bearden and Hoagland", but if you hit the "Bearden and Hoagland" link it goes into "notes on AIAS" which seems not to continue from his previous thoughts about whether Hoagland is right to claim that Maxwell's equations come from this guy Heaviside. I was looking forward to that discussion.<br><br>I'm probably just missing something, but please steer me right. And if you, Lurker, are the author of these materials...please LURK no more but become an active participant! (Or even if you aren't for that matter.) <p></p><i></i>
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dont call me a tease fool ,i am searching too

Postby lurker » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:12 pm

i was frustrated by the lack of the rest of the article.googling for the rest with no success so far. <br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: dont call me a tease fool ,i am searching too

Postby Dreams End » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:22 pm

well, it's a good find anyway. Glad you unlurked. Sokolova, I think, will enjoy his site. <p></p><i></i>
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more critics of hoagland

Postby lurker » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:22 pm

more critical hoagloand poop<br>linl=www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/]bad astronomy[/link]<br>and <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://members.aol.com/garypos2/Hoagland.html">the face on mars</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> and <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.masonicinfo.com/hoagland.htm">a masonic view</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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mainstream sources(lifted from the web)

Postby spyvsspy » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:26 pm

WEATHER CONTROL AND WEATHER WARFARE -- INTRODUCTION<br><br>This article is all about Weather Control and Weather Warfare, so if you are not yet aware that scientists working for key governments throughout the world can, and do, control the weather, please take a moment to read our Weather Control section, which includes analysis articles, quotes from key people and bookstore resources.<br><br>For the purpose of this article, let us list some key facts and/or quotes of articles from our Weather Control - Warfare section:<br><br>* Scientists "are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves." (Clinton´s Secretary of Defense William Cohen, speaking at 4/28/1997, to the Sam Nunn Policy Forum, on "Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy".)<br><br>While Mr. Cohen did not specifically mention the control of hurricanes, such control is part of the package of capabilities he did mention; further, hurricanes are also controlled by "the use of electromagnetic waves."<br><br>* Scott Stevens, NBC Weatherman Anchor, KPVI, Channel 6, Pocatello, Idaho -- "In 2004 we have entered the 2-year "final preparation phase". These operations have been intensified and will continue to be intense, wreaking great economic damage. Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Ivan, Jeanne, etc. have been no exception to the Yakuza weather engineering, which included directly influencing and controlling each hurricane´s power and behavior, as well as directing its course and speed so as to choose its targeting path. Indeed, Ivan did a 180 degree turn, and Jeanne did a 360 degree loop before reaching Florida, demonstrating the degree of control available.<br><br>"Meteorologists do recognize periods of increased or decreased hurricane activity for various reasons, but they do not consider deliberate human induction of hurricanes or human control over their direction, power, and progress." (Weather Wars)<br><br>Mr. Stevens may be the only NBC weatherman to recognize that scalar electromagnetic waves are being utilized to control weather 24 hours per day, 7 days per week; however, his awards for accuracy in weather forecasting are testimony to the fact that he knows about which he is speaking!<br><br>* In NEWS1198, we report that Malaysia hired a Russian Weather Modification company to create a typhoon (hurricane) and steer it close enough to shore to blow the forest fire smoke from the cities without causing damage -- and then steer the storm out to sea to harmlessly dissipate it! This news story was carried by the Wall Street Journal, November 13, 1997!<br><br>* Also in NEWS1198, we report that a United Nations treaty was passed and signed in 1997 called, " The Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques". This treaty prohibits any nation from creating damaging, hostile weather and using it against another nation! Obviously, no one needs to pass laws against something where the technology does not exist; in other words, the existence of this treaty proves that Weather Control and Weather Warfare is real and is a fully functioning science.<br><br>However, this UN treaty has one major flaw: it does not forbid political leaders from using these Weather Warfare weapons against their own people! <p></p><i></i>
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the sleep of reason brings forth monsters

Postby lurker » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:30 pm

oops bad link.google more yourselves.there are many more critics of mr hoagland and a few critics of mr bearden,both of whom seem to be inspiring a great deal of the very uncritical proponents of scalar/weather war FUD.<br><br>I am sure there are kernels of truth here but hugely caked in lies and nonsense<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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aha part 2

Postby lurker » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:37 pm

dont follow the maths myself but...<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/thoughts_2.htm">quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/thoughts_2.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Looks like typical infighting in the scientific community

Postby spyvsspy » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:03 am

Went to lurkers link and read the critique of Bearden. Not impressed. At the best, it looks like a typical bickering contest between research scientists, that their model is more accurate than the other person. Worried about who will get the "credit". <br><br>In many ways the link appears to me to try and baffle the reader with poorly written/organized BS over accuracy of models (i.e. how many decimal points etc...) and the fact that scientists who support Bearden can be discredited, due to flack from the rest of the scientific community. Typical BS that occurs when a new theory shake up the old theories. Some scientists don't like being wrong. <br><br>Many models of processes are simplified and are still be able to be used to predict behaviour. Removing air friction from falling still gives a good indication of how fast and object will fall, but it is not mathematically "correct".<br><br>"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident".<br><br>It's amazing how some topics get a lot of flack thrown their way.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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yeah, i've been following hoagle for years.

Postby nashvillebrook » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:36 am

anyone who thinks they can make a decision in an evening isn't up to the task. <br><br>there's a leap of faith no matter where you turn. leap lightly. leap slowly. if you leap at all. <br><br>i love hoag. i don't care what anyone says. i've been on him too long. thru ups and downs. he's always come thru. <br><br>and, no, i don't care to lawyer this out. just my couple of pennies. enjoy. <p></p><i></i>
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