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Insane!

Postby Fearless » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:27 pm

It just doesn't stop!<br><br><br>Daley 'shocked' as feds reject aid <br>September 3, 2005<br><br>BY STEPHANIE ZIMMERMANN AND SCOTT FORNEK Staff Reporters Advertisement<br><br>A visibly angry Mayor Daley said the city had offered emergency, medical and technical help to the federal government as early as Sunday to assist people in the areas stricken by Hurricane Katrina, but as of Friday, the only things the feds said they wanted was a single tank truck.<br><br>That truck, which the Federal Emergency Management Agency requested to support an Illinois-based medical team, was en route Friday.<br><br>"We are ready to provide more help than they have requested. We are just waiting for their call," said Daley, adding that he was "shocked" that no one seemed to want the help.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley03.html">www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley03.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Insane!

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:39 pm

All aid is refused. Aid from charities. Aid from other countries. Aid from individuals. Aid from states. It doesn't matter, nothing is allowed to go in.<br><br>Speculative account. Nevertheless let's add it to the archive:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Pirate Smile<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>OMG. A group in Florida wanted to volunteer to bring in 500 air boats</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>to help in the rescue efforts.<br><br>FEMA "emphatically" refused. They said they had to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>CONTRACT OUT</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> for that and couldn't use volunteers.<br><br>Republican Rep. Mark Foley just said that on MSNBC.<br><br>UN.F#$KING.BELIEVABLE!<br><br>edit to add - After this segment, they had on one of their military experts that MSNBC has on all the time.<br><br>He said (paraphrasing)- This is a question of leadership. If the regulations in the beaurocracy required things that were untenable in the crisis, then a leader sees it and does what you need to to make it possible. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War, if there was a question about posse comitatus or something like that, a leader would be able to determine when the rules or laws are more harmful to the people, the reasons why the law is in place doesn't fit and a leader will suspend it or do what they have to do. This was a failure of leadership.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4608106">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4608106</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Brown didn't know about the convention center

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:13 pm

Leader of Federal Effort Feels the Heat<br><br>By ERIC LIPTON and SCOTT SHANE<br><br>Published: September 3, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON, Sept. 2 - On Thursday night, Michael D. Brown, the federal government's point man for managing the response to Hurricane Katrina, made a remarkable confession on live television.<br><br>Speaking of the thousands stranded at the convention center in New Orleans without food or water, Mr. Brown said that his agency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, had just learned of their plight.<br><br>CNN's Paula Zahn was incredulous. "Sir," she said, "you aren't just telling me you just learned that the folks at the convention center <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>didn't have food and water until today</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, are you? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>You had no idea they were completely cut off?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->"<br><br>"Paula," Mr. Brown replied unequivocally, "the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>federal government did not even know about the convention center</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> people until today."<br><br>The comment symbolized what some have described as a deeply flawed federal response. President <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bush praised Mr. Brown's performance</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> on Friday, but Mr. Brown's remarks prompted Representative Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Homeland Security, to call on President Bush to fire Mr. Brown or Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.<br><br>(...)<br>Mr. Brown was brought to FEMA in 2001 by the then-director, Joe M. Allbaugh, an old friend who had run Mr. Bush's first presidential campaign. He was promoted to deputy director in 2002 and to director in 2003.<br><br>(...)<br>Mr. Allbaugh said Mr. Brown is "doing a great job."<br><br>(...)<br>While Mr. Allbaugh was FEMA director, the Bush administration, with the backing of Congress, reversed the emphasis on preventing flooding, cutting the formula for such federal grants by half.<br><br>(...)<br>Representative Thompson, whose Mississippi district was damaged by Katrina, said that during the Bush administration, FEMA had lost its focus.<br><br>"FEMA went back to being treated like a political resting place for favors that were owed," he said. "The entire emphasis of it was demoted."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/03/national/nationalspecial/03fema.html">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...3fema.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Wayne Madsen out of seclusion and back in action

Postby dbeach » Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:47 pm

"September 3, 2005 -- International relief efforts for the survivors of Hurricane Katrina are being stalled by inaction from the White House and State Department. The Bush administration is sending confusing and mixed signals to nations around the world which have aircraft sitting on runways and medical and disaster recovery crews on standby. In Russia, Canada, France, Germany, Cuba, Mexico, China, and dozens of other countries, critical resources such as search and rescue helicopters, ships, cargo aircraft, divers, urban search and rescue teams, medicine, and food are sitting idle awaiting a green light from Washington. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, just back from her thousand dollar shoe shopping spree in New York, says the Bush administration and that "crack team" at FEMA are still trying to figure out what assistance is needed. ALL of it is needed. This is the problem with having an expert on the Czechoslovakian military (which no longer exists) as Secretary of State -- she possesses only limited and trivial knowledge that has no relevance today. Playing more politics, Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega (who, like John Bolton, is a Jesse Helms protege) is refusing to allow Venezuelan humanitarian aid workers on American soil. President Hugo Chavez accused the Bush administration of not preparing an adequate evacuation plan for New Orleans and called Bush the "vacation cowboy."<br><br>Noriega takes his orders from the fanatic Florida exile junta whose titular head is Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL). Homeland Security czar Michael Chertoff is likely demanding relief crews be interviewed, photographed, and fingerprinted before being allowed entry to the United States. "His job is to oversee surveillance, not recovery," one long time Washington, DC policy adviser said of Chertoff. Once again, for the trillionth time, the Bush administration has shown itself to be inept and uncaring. Its time for them to go."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wayne Madsen out of seclusion and back in action

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:08 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Frankenstein's monster is on the loose</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>By Luciana Bohne<br><br>September 2, 2005—Well, yes, there is a kind of shocking distillation of meaning in the catastrophe that hit the city of New Orleans. It's as if the belly of the beast that is the US imperial leviathan has been turned over—its underbelly exposed. There, you can see the reality: two nations, one rich, one poor; one televised, the other invisible—until now.<br><br>Abject poverty, criminal infrastructural neglect, opportunistic defunding of minimal preventive planning, disaster relief resources otherwise engaged abroad in protecting the interests of oligarchs, industrial poisons erupting at a mere shrug of nature from their thin disguise just beneath the urban surface of triumphant financial capitalism—a river of murderous toxins running free, running free in the streets of the city of sweetness, the city of food, the city of jazz like a Frankenstein's monster shaking loose his chains and going after its creator:<br><br>"Free markets, free markets, free markets," he's calling, laughing madly, "here I am, your creature, your bastard, your long-suppressed experiment in planned anarchy for profit, your pig-ethics child. Your beloved; your nightmare."<br><br>Gasoline prices rising.<br><br>New Orleans—welcome to Baghdad!<br><br>As it shall be abroad, so it will be at home. Poor people ain't got no home, no electricity, no water. No hospitals, no schools, no city. New Orleans, welcome to Fallujah, to Gaza, to Haiti, to El Salvador, to Nicaragua.<br><br>Bechtel, Kellogg Root & Brown, Carlyle, Halliburton welcome you to "globalization": the pain is yours; the gain is theirs.<br><br>Welcome to a civilization that ridicules science as an entity beneath treason. Welcome to the freedom and democracy of a state that knows no social contract, where you are <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>born with a gun in your hand but no concept of the common good</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->; a state that owes you nothing but owns you body and soul— in the unemployment lines, in the soup kitchens, in the army recruitment centers, in the prisons, on death row, in the schools that teach you nothing, in front of your television screens that lie and string you along with cynical contempt. To your doom, to your doom, for what is freedom without resources?<br><br>The courts have evicted you: there is no bankruptcy for you, no socialism for you. Debtor prison is good enough for you. Government handouts, in the form of corporate socialism, are strictly bookmarked for corporations. No one cares about you. Yours is not to reason why; yours is but to pray and die.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Welcome to the Plan for the New American Century. Welcome to the New World Order. Welcome.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> It stands exposed. Right there in New Orleans.<br><br>America, welcome to your planned future as a domestic, internal third world. Welcome to personal and public chronic indebtedness. Welcome to a bloated "defense" budget that cannot assist you, let alone "defend" you from a hurricane in the age of science. Welcome to the offensive budget that makes your country dependent on China for daily loans. Welcome to the multicolored ribbons in support of a war that kills your troops—your children, who are not here, not at home to help with their strength, their youth, their bravery, their idealism in pulling you out of the toxic flood waters.<br><br>Welcome. Dr. Frankenstein's monster's vengeance is at our door.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/090205Bohne/090205bohne.html">www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/090205Bohne/090205bohne.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"And if it is working right, we are going to duplicate it elsewhere"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>- George W. Bush, Sept 1st 2005 <p></p><i></i>
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NWO

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:12 pm

Great post, DrdebugDU. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: NWO

Postby Dreams End » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:25 pm

Note the role of the 200 national guard in this story...in Baton Rouge.<br><br>        <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076580">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...tml#076580</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Council president lashes out<br>An outraged New Orleans City Council President Oliver Thomas blasted the city of Baton Rouge and other Louisiana communities for what he called refusing to take in refugees from the devastated city.<br><br>"They don't want them," Thomas said, after bursting into the press room at the Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge."They have put out the word all over the state: 'Those bad New Orleans people. You don't want them.'"<br><br>Since the beginning of the aftermath of Katrina, Thomas has constantly said that the images on television of looters and reports of terrorizing by bands of young men have been misleading. "Not everyone from New Orleans is a thug," Thomas said.<br><br>While Texas, Arkansas and other states have been "neighborly," Thomas said, Louisiana parishes have been slow to welcome the New Orleans evacuees due to "myths" that they are dangerous.<br><br>Dressed in his work boots and jeans, Thomas said that a busload of New Orleans evacuees, about 200, were stopped by National Guardsmen in Baton Rouge on Saturday and told they could not get off.<br><br>"These were women and children," Thomas said, his voice shaking. "There were welders, teachers, one lady was a court administrator. ... One of the ladies said, 'If we were lucky, we would have died.'"<br><br>Thomas said "rumors" of violence in the New Orleans streets are scaring rescuers and slowing evacuations. "There are people in their attics right now," he said.<br><br>-Gwen Filosa<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: NWO

Postby AnnaLivia » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:31 pm

there is no sane defense whatsoever for the fact that bottles of water are being dropped to people still trapped...trapped by flooded streets that boats can go down. water dropped just to the ones who can get themselves spotted, mind you. water that has to be fished out of water that is...deadly toxic yet?<br><br>not a boat in sight. they are everywhere in the world ready and EAGERLY waiting. cost-free. eager to go.<br><br>no sane defense, freepers. no sane defense.<br><br>george "permanent son" bush has done everything he (and his criminal cohorts) can think of to ensure that america will never be respected again as she once was. he has succeeded in nothing less than wounding the sovereignty of america. (job one if your plan is to control a world government someday.) the world consciousness has been telegraphed a new "knowledge" of america...a new and startling picture of America, startling even to those who've never been fond of her... that will remain and remain, subconscious a “knowledge” as it may well be.<br><br>if i could get my hands on that little fraction shrub, i'd march him bare-assed in front of the cameras onto a bridge, make him bend over the side, and give switches to a thousand angry citizens as they file past him and give his ass the whuppin of all mother-loving whuppins.<br><br>Last one in line; Lorena Bobbitt.<br><br>George Bush is the sorriest excuse for a man ever born.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush faked levee repair for photo op yesterday

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:16 pm

Bush faked levee repair for photo op yesterday<br>by John in DC - 9/03/2005 06:29:00 PM <br><br>From a press release LA Senator Mary Landrieu sent out today:<br><br>But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast - black and white, rich and poor, young and old - deserve far better from their national governmeent.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/bush-faked-levee-repair-for-photo-op.html">americablog.blogspot.com/...to-op.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Martial law in New Orleans

Postby antiaristo » Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:44 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In Russia, Canada, France, Germany, Cuba, Mexico, China, and dozens of other countries, critical resources such as search and rescue helicopters, ships, cargo aircraft, divers, urban search and rescue teams, medicine, and food are sitting idle awaiting a green light from Washington</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>dbeach,<br>Think the Brits know something and the others don't? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Martial law in New Orleans

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:48 pm

> Think the Brits know something and the others don't? <br><br>Very well observed!! The British are the odd ones out. We have seen the whole world (I can't recall Australia either), but the 51st state (or State #1) is missing again!<br><br>Brilliant <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>P.S. That single remark is the best indication of LIHOP yet... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 9/3/05 6:51 pm<br></i>
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Re: Martial law in New Orleans

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:52 pm

I have no doubt that there are murders, child rapes, other violent acts. I'm surprised that Bush doesn't have someone there handing out job applications to these types. They are his kind of people. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Martial law in New Orleans

Postby dbeach » Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:01 pm

'dbeach,<br>Think the Brits know something and the others don't?"<br><br>if the Queen Mother decides bushco has gone too far or is too slow or whatever..he will be removed from office..they are 3rd cousins BUT maybe 6 th cousins?? <br><br>Fitzie or her nibs can stop the neo-con madness BUT her nibs will make things worse for her colonies in the long run . IMHO.<br>she is NWO all the way 1984 police state ect... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Martial law in New Orleans

Postby Dreams End » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:40 pm

Bush:<br><br> It's as if the entire Gulf coast were obliterated by the worst kind of weapon you can imagine...<br><br>How can we get one of those?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Martial law in New Orleans

Postby Dreams End » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:48 pm

This, then, is what we've come to:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>New Orleans left to the dead and dying<br>9/3/2005, 6:07 p.m. CT<br>By ALLEN G. BREED<br>The Associated Press                <br><br>NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Thousands more bedraggled refugees were bused and airlifted to salvation Saturday, leaving the heart of New Orleans to the dead and dying, the elderly and frail stranded too many days without food, water or medical care.<br><br>No one knows how many were killed by Hurricane Katrina's floods and how many more succumbed waiting to be rescued. But the bodies are everywhere: hidden in attics, floating among the ruined city, crumpled on wheelchairs, abandoned on highways.<br><br>And the dying goes on — at the convention center and an airport triage center, where bodies were kept in a refrigerated truck.<br><br>Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Saturday that she expected the death toll to reach the thousands. And Craig Vanderwagen, rear admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service, said one morgue alone, at a St. Gabriel prison, expected 1,000 to 2,000 bodies.<br><br>Touring the airport triage center, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a physician, said "a lot more than eight to 10 people are dying a day."<br><br>Most were those too sick or weak to survive. But not all.<br><br>Charles Womack, a 30-year-old roofer, said he saw one man beaten to death and another commit suicide at the Superdome. Womack was beaten with a pipe and being treated at the airport triage center.<br><br>"One guy jumped off a balcony. I saw him do it. He was talking to a lady about it. He said it reminded him of the war and he couldn't leave," he said.<br><br>Three babies died at the convention center from heat exhaustion, said Mark Kyle, a medical relief provider.<br><br>Some 20,000 refugees had been waiting for rescue for nearly a week at the Superdome, with as many as 25,000 more at the New Orleans convention center. National Guard Lt. Col. Bernard McLaughlin said the number may have been closer to 5,000 to 7,000.<br><br>The last 300 refugees at the Superdome climbed aboard buses Saturday, eliciting cheers from members of the Texas National Guard who were guarding the facility.<br><br>At the convention center, thousands of refugees dragged their meager belongings to buses, the mood more numb than jubilant. Yolando Sanders, who had been stuck at the convention center for five days, was among those who filed past corpses to reach the buses.<br><br>"Anyplace is better than here," she said.<br><br>"People are dying over there."<br><br>Nearby, a woman lay dead in a wheelchair on the front steps. A man was covered in a black drape with a dry line of blood running to the gutter, where it had pooled. Another had lain on a chaise lounge for four days, his stocking feet peeking out from under a quilt.<br><br>By mid-afternoon, only pockets of stragglers remained in the streets around the convention center, and New Orleans paramedics began carting away the dead.<br><br>A once-vibrant city of 480,000 people, overtaken just days ago by floods, looting, rape and arson, was now an empty, sodden tomb.<br><br>The exact number of dead won't be known for some time. Survivors were still being plucked from roofs and shattered highways across the city. President Bush ordered more than 7,000 active duty forces to the Gulf Coast on Saturday.<br><br>"There are people in apartments and hotels that you didn't know were there," Army Brig. Gen. Mark Graham said.<br><br>The overwhelming majority of those stranded in the post-Katrina chaos were those without the resources to escape — and, overwhelmingly, they were black.<br><br>"The first few days were a natural disaster. The last four days were a man-made disaster," said Phillip Holt, 51, who was rescued from his home Saturday with his partner and three of their aging Chihuahuas. They left a fourth behind they couldn't grab in time.<br><br>Tens of thousands of people had been evacuated from the city, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry said as many as 120,000 hurricane refugees were in 97 shelters across the state, with another 100,000 in Texas hotels and motels. Others were in Tennessee, Indiana and Arkansas.<br><br>Emergency workers at the Astrodome were told to expect 10,000 new arrivals daily for the next three days.<br><br>Thousands of people remained at Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport, where officials turned a Delta Blue terminal into a triage unit. Officials said 3,000 to 5,000 people had been treated at the triage unit, but fewer than 200 remain. Others throughout the airport awaited transport out of the city.<br><br>"In the beginning it was like trying to lasso an octopus. When we got here it was overwhelming," said Jake Jacoby, a physician helping run the center.<br><br>Airport director Roy Williams said about 30 people had died, some of them elderly and ill. The bodies were being kept in refrigerated trucks as a temporary morgue.<br><br>At the convention center, people stumbled toward the helicopters, dehydrated and nearly passing out from exhaustion. Many had to be carried by National Guard troops and police on stretchers. And some were being pushed up the street on office chairs and on dollies.<br><br>Nita LaGarde, 105, was pushed down the street in her wheelchair as her nurse's 5-year-old granddaughter, Tanisha Blevin, held her hand. The pair spent two days in an attic, two days on an interstate island and the last four days on the pavement in front of the convention center.<br><br>"They're good to see," LaGarde said, with remarkable gusto as she waited to be loaded onto a gray Marine helicopter. She said they were sent by God. "Whatever He has for you, He'll take care of you. He'll sure take care of you."<br><br>LaGarde's nurse, Ernestine Dangerfield, 60, said LaGarde had not had a clean adult diaper in more than two days. "I just want to get somewhere where I can get her nice and clean," she said.<br><br>Around the corner, a motley fleet of luxury tour buses and yellow school buses lined up two deep to pick up some of the healthier refugees. National Guardsmen confiscated a gun, knives and letter openers from people before they got on the buses.<br><br>"It's been a long time coming," Derek Dabon, 29, said as he waited to pass through a guard checkpoint. "There's no way I'm coming back. To what? That don't make sense. I'm going to start a new life."<br><br>Hillary Snowton, 40, sat on the sidewalk outside with a piece of white sheet tied around his face like a bandanna as he stared at a body that had been lying on a chaise lounge for four days, its stocking feet peeking out from under a quilt.<br><br>"It's for the smell of the dead body," he said of the sheet. His brother-in-law, Octave Carter, 42, said it has been "every day, every morning, breakfast lunch and dinner looking at it."<br><br>When asked why he didn't move further away from the corpse, Carter replied, "it stinks everywhere, Blood."<br><br>Dan Craig, director of recovery at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said it could take up to six months to get the water out of New Orleans, and the city would then need to dry out, which could take up to three more months.<br><br>A Saks Fifth Avenue store billowed smoke Saturday, as did rows of warehouses on the east bank of the Mississippi River, where corrugated roofs buckled and tiny explosions erupted. Gunfire — almost two dozen shots — broke out in the French Quarter overnight.<br><br>In the French Quarter, some residents refused or did not know how to get out. Some holed up with guns.<br><br>As the warehouse district burned, Ron Seitzer, 61, washed his dirty laundry in the even dirtier waters of the Mississippi River and said he didn't know how much longer he could stay without water or power, surrounded by looters.<br><br>"I've never even had a nightmare or a beautiful dream about this," he said as he watched the warehouses burn. "People are just not themselves."<br><br>___<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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