New Orleans: Where does incompetence end ....?

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New Orleans: Where does incompetence end ....?

Postby johndoeii » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:40 pm

Analysis of the handling of Katrina:<br>This article is based mainly on the research thread of mom cat:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vew_all&address=106x22805">www.democraticunderground...=106x22805</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Historical parallels:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour winds. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no one di</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090305Y.shtml">www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090305Y.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>China was able to evacuate 790,000<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4661200">www.democraticunderground...04x4661200</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>In the US too evacuations normally were very successful:<br>e.g.<br>Grand Forks in 1997<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://startribune.com/stories/562/5610904.html">startribune.com/stories/562/5610904.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The 2004 hurricane hitting Florida.<br>Why didn’t it work out this time?<br>And why did and still do so many people have to die from the catastrophic result of Katrina and the flooding of New Orleans?<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>WHAT WAS KNOWN BEFORE<br>In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,37...">service.spiegel.de/cache/...1518,37...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Many scientific journals had already dealt with the possible scenario of a hurricane hitting New Orleans.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/science/neworleans.html">www.pbs.org/now/science/neworleans.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html">www.colorado.edu/hazards/...ov04c.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/">www3.nationalgeographic.c.../feature5/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.publichealth.hurricane.lsu.edu/convert%20to%20tables/Would%20New%20Orleans%20Really%20Floodtf.htm">www.publichealth.hurrican...loodtf.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>FEMA’s preparation:<br>FEMA : Perfect preparation<br><br>As we know by now :<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050902/ts_nm/weather_katrina_criticism_dc">news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050...iticism_dc</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Let’s have a close look at the long term preparation of FEMA for Katrina.<br>Middle of July 2004 the exercise called “Hurricane Pam” took place in at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge and Louisiana State Police headquarters.<br>While FEMA states it lasted 5 days<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>the Times-Picayune writes that it lasted 8 days.<br>(TP, 20.07.04)<br>FEMA writes that “Emergency officials from 50 parish, state, federal and volunteer organizations” participated<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>and Times-Picayune specifies:<br>“more than 250 emergency preparedness officials from more than 50 federal, state and local agencies and volunteer organizations began using that catastrophic scenario”.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Hurricane Pam scenario focused on 13 parishes in southeast Louisiana-Ascension, Assumption, Jefferson, Lafourche, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. James, St. John, St. Tammany Tangipahoa, Terrebonne. Representatives from outside the primary parishes participated since hurricane evacuation and sheltering involve communities throughout the state and into Arkansas, Mississippi and Texas.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Already length, quantity of participators, varierty of organizations and the length of the exercise make its importance clear.<br>And important was the issue of the exercise indeed:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Hurricane Pam brought sustained winds of 120 mph, up to 20 inches of rain in parts of southeast Louisiana and storm surge that topped levees in the New Orleans area.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In fact <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Hurricane Pam <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>was fashioned after Hurricane Georges</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, which in 1998 turned east only hours before it would have followed the path chosen for Pam. (…) Flooding caused by storm surge would cover an area stretching from lower Plaquemines Parish to the middle of St. Tammany Parish, Ponchatoula in Livingston Parish, and parts of Ascension Parish. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The water would be high enough in parts of New Orleans to top 17-foot levees</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, including some along Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This exercise was by far not based on invented and vague ideas. On the contrary. It was extremely professional:<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> “The exercise used realistic weather and damage information developed by the National Weather Ser</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the LSU Hurricane Center and other state and federal agencies”[/i]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“The National Weather Service has put together <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a three-week weather plan </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->for this five-day exercise,"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>(AP, 7/15/04)<br><br>Several problems that could occur with a needed evacuation were thought of as well:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>”It's estimated that up to half the city's 450,000 residents won't leave.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>(AP, 7/15/04)<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“As many as <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>100,000 live in households in which no one owns a car</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, officials say. FEMA spokesman David Passey hesitated before answering a question about how many people could die in such a storm."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The same article also mentioned:<br>“Two years ago, officials with the American Red Cross estimated that the death toll from a catastrophic hurricane in the New Orleans area could be between 25,000 and 100,000, which would be more than any hurricane in the U.S. has caused.”<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>The imagined result of Hurricane Pam are disastrous:<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> “More than one million residents evacuated and Hurricane Pam destroyed 500,000-600,000 buildings.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> “A hurricane packing winds of 120 mph and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a storm surge that tops 17-foot levees slams into New Orleans, killing an untold number of people and trapping half the area’s residents in attics, on rooftops and in makeshift refuges in a variety of public and office buildings. Parts of the city are flooded with up to 20 feet of water, and 80 percent of the buildings in the area are severely damaged from water and wind</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The idea of the whole exercise was to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“help officials <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>develop joint response plans </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> for a catastrophic hurricane in Louisiana.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And this is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“a partial summary of action plans follows: <br>DEBRIS The debris team estimates that a storm like Hurricane Pam would result in 30 million cubic yards of debris and 237,000 cubic yards of household hazardous waste. * The team identified existing landfills that have available storage space and locations of hazardous waste disposal sites. The debris plan also outlines priorities for debris removal. SHELTERING * The interagency shelter group <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>identified the need for about 1,000 shelters for a catastrophic disaster. The shelter team identified 784 shelters and has developed plans for locating the remaining shelters. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> * In a storm like Hurricane Pam, shelters will likely remain open for 100 days. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The group identified the resources necessary to support 1000 shelters for 100 days. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->They planned for staff augmentation and how to include shelterees in shelter management. * <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>State resources are adequate to operate shelters for the first 3-5 days. The group planned how federal and other resources will replenish supplies at shelters. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>SEARCH AND RESCUE * <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The search and rescue group developed a transportation plan for getting stranded residents out of harm's way. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> * Planners <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>identified lead and support agencies for search and rescue and established a command structure that will include four areas with up to 800 searchers.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>MEDICAL * The medical care group reviewed and enhanced existing plans. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The group determined how to implement existing immunization plans rapidly </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->for tetanus, influenza and other diseases likely to be present after a major hurricane. * <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The group determined how to re-supply hospitals around the state that would face heavy patient loads. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> * The medical action plan includes patient movement details and identifies probable locations, such as state university campuses, where individuals would receive care and then be transported to hospitals, special needs shelters or regular shelters as necessary. <br>SCHOOLS * The school group determined that 13,000-15,000 teachers and administrators would be needed to support affected schools. The group acknowledged the role of local school boards and developed strategies for use by local school officials. * Staffing strategies include the use of displaced teachers, retired teachers, emergency certified teachers and others eligible for emergency certification. Displaced paraprofessionals would also be recruited to fill essential school positions. * The group discussed facility options for increasing student population at undamaged schools and prioritizing repairs to buildings with less damage to assist in normalizing operations * The school plan also calls for placement or development of temporary schools near temporary housing communities built for hurricane victims.” </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Officials are focusing on six major issues they expect to face in the aftermath of a catastrophic storm like Pam:-- Developing an effective search-and-rescue plan to find survivors and move them to safety.-- Identifying short-term shelters for those who evacuated, or those rescued in the storm’s aftermath.-- Creating housing options, including trailer or tent villages, for the thousands likely to be left homeless for months after the storm.—<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Removing floodwater from New Orleans, Metairie and other bowl-like areas where levees will capture and hold storm surge, possibly for days or weeks. - Disposing of the thousands of tons of debris left behind by the storm, which will include the remains of homes and businesses; human and animal corpses, including bodies washed out of cemeteries;</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and a mix of toxic chemicals likely to escape from businesses, industries, trucks and rail cars in the flooded areas.-- Recreating school systems for public and private school students.” </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“The plan will <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> provide a "bridge" between local and state short-term evacuation and emergency response plans, and a longer-term federal disaster response plan</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, said Ron Castleman, Federal Emergency Management Agency regional director.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“What’s critically important about this is that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>so many different agencies, and all three levels of government are here, all singing from the same sheet of music</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, so that when we do come out with a working document, everybody will have bought into it," Terry Tullier, director of the city’s Office of Emergency Preparedness said.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/incaseofemrgencyexercise.htm">www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/n...ercise.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And the result is apparently very promising:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"We made <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>great progress</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> this week in our preparedness efforts," said Ron Castleman, FEMA Regional Director.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>But still not enough:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Over the next 60 days, we will polish the action plans developed during the Hurricane Pam exercise. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->We have also determined where to focus our efforts in the future."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=13051</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Keeping in mind that what actually happened at New Orleans has very strong similarities to “Hurricane Pam” FEMA has obviously done a perfect preparation.<br>In March 2005 the National Hurricane Conference, took place in New Orleans. <br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“(S)tate officials had the opportunity to compare their still-developing plans with the real-world efforts by Florida counties to return students to school after five hurricanes.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>(Times Picayune, 3/25/05)<br><br>Last but not least “Hurricane Pam II”, an exercise that was announced for summer 2005,<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lsu.edu/highlights/052/pam.html">www.lsu.edu/highlights/052/pam.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>might have taken place just a week before Katrina hit:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"..<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>.Just a week ago</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Louisiana emergency management officials from around the state gathered in a city just north of New Orleans to plan a response for a catastrophic hurricane. They called it Hurricane Pam."Our plans changed yesterday about 10 times," said Gary Peters, regional director for the Louisiana Bureau of EMS, as he corralled a group of ambulances on an interstate on-ramp..."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.western-star.com/news/content/shared/ne...">www.western-star.com/news...ared/ne...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It’s hard to see how FEMA could have been better prepared for Katrina.<br>It’s hard to see how better and more concrete disaster plans could have been developed.<br><br>But the “Chicago Tribune” writes: <br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Government disaster officials had an action plan if a major hurricane hit New Orleans. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> They simply didn't execute it when Hurricane Katrina struck.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509030220sep03,1,5525666.story?ctrack=1&cset=true">www.chicagotribune.com/ne...&cset=true</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Why?<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>What happened just before Katrina</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Before the hurricane hit, Gov. Kathleen Blanco requested Washington provide disaster relief aid, including military personnel and $5 million for evacuation.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.gov.state.la.us/Disaster%20Relief%20Request....">www.gov.state.la.us/Disas...equest....</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Just days before Hurricane Katrina hit, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>officials from state, local and federal agencies were hearing that this could very likely be the big one -- the one they knew could devastate the c</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4839666">www.npr.org/templates/sto...Id=4839666</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4715924">www.democraticunderground...04x4715924</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, said that feds were warned “of the storm's potential deadly effects.”<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2002472774&zsection_id=2002107549&slug=mayfield05&date=20050905">seattletimes.nwsource.com...e=20050905</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And on August 27 Emergency aid was authorized for hurricane Katrina emergency response in Louisi</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> [/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=18447</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>On August 28 Governor Blanco send a letter to Bush urging he</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> [/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf">gov.louisiana.gov/Disaste...equest.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And later it is officially confirmed that LA governor acted in a timely manner according to the House Judiciary<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/releases/katrinacrsreportpr91305.pdf">www.house.gov/judiciary_d...r91305.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The same day Homeland Security was prepping for dangerous hurricane Katrina<br>residents in path of storm <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Must take action now"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18461">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=18461</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Keep in mind that Homeland Security was created to give the federal government FULL RESPONSIBILITY in the event of a natural disaster.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp">www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>On August 29 the experts agreed that Katrina could unleash a disaster.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/katrina.doomsday/index.html">www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The same day President Bush declares major disaster for Louisiana</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=18478</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>So, why didn’t it work?<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>And why did President Bush’s administration send shortly before midnight Friday (September 2) a proposed legal memorandum asking Blanco to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, according to a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday? </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...01680.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And why didn’t the President answer Senator Landrieu’s call for a cabinet-level official to lead resuce efforts even 24 hours after he had visited New Orleans (according to Landrieu)?<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://landrieu.senate.gov/releases/05/2005903E12.html">landrieu.senate.gov/relea...03E12.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>INCOMPETENCE:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Many decisions were taken long before the catastrophe that certainly can to some extent explain what happened.<br>Although since FEMA mentioned a hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three major catastrophes that could happen to the US Bush fired in 2002 the head of Army Corps of Engineers in for slamming budget cuts.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...">www.washingtonpost.com/ac...e=artic...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The personal of FEMA changed and FEMA was packed with friends of the President.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/344004p...">www.nydailynews.com/news/...344004p...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,37...">service.spiegel.de/cache/...1518,37...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>President Bush proposed <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...">www.editorandpublisher.co...icle_di...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> THE REACTION:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The main excuse for the catastrophic failure of FEMA are the communication problems. This is quite surprising seen in the light of the above mentioned preparation.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Where is FEMA?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>JP’s director: FEMA didn’t keep its promise: After 48 hours they weren’t there</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>JP's Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word Jefferson Parish Emergency Preparedness Director Walter Maestri said Friday night that the Federal Emergency Management Agency reneged on a promise to begin relieving county emergency preparedness staffers 48 hours after Hurricane Katrina hit the New Orleans metropolitan area.<br>Maestri’s staff has been working almost around the clock since Katrina approached the Louisiana coastline on Sunday. Today, the staff is expected to finally switch to a 12 hours on/12 hours off schedule, he said, adding that they’re both tired and demoralized by the lack of assistance from federal officials.<br>“We had been told we would be on our own for 48 hours,” Maestri said. <br>“Prepare to survive and in 48 hours the cavalry would arrive.<br>“Well, where are they?” he said. <br>Maestri said the agreement was signed by officials with the Southeastern Louisiana Emergency Preparedness Officials Association, the state and the Federal Emergency Management Agency as part of this year’s Hurricane Pam tabletop exercise. That exercise began the process of writing a series of manuals explaining how to respond to a catastrophic disaster. Financed by FEMA, it included a variety of federal, state and local officials.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...f?/mtlo...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Emergency chief says on September 2 he hasn’t seen a single FEMA guy </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>FEMA is getting an earful from the man heading New Orleans' emergency operations. <br>Terry Ebbert says the federal agency's response to Katrina is "a national disgrace." <br>Ebbert says FEMA has been in the city for three days, but he says that has yet to result in any command and control. He says Mayor Ray Nagin has been "pushing and asking, but we're not getting any supplies." <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The emergency chief says the evacuation of thousands from New Orleans to Texas has been "almost entirely" a Louisiana operation — saying he hasn't seen "a single FEMA g</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/02/katrina/main812561.shtml">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...2561.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>[v]Absence of FEMA[/b]<br>Attorney Karen A. Lash travelled the area offering legal help. She points out:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“We never found a resident who had ever seen even one FEMA official.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/14/gulfport/index_np.html">www.salon.com/news/featur...ex_np.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA in Lafayette without money or vouchers</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Lafayette's first FEMA office opened Friday, but the center had no money or vouchers to give to hundreds of Hurricane Katrina evacuees who came searching for help.<br>"We're not giving anything," manager Kenneth Swain told the crowd. "We don't have anything yet to give."(…)<br>FEMA has been noticeably absent from Lafayette since the hurricane struck, and people descended on the church looking for answers. (…)<br>Swain said the center had one line Friday for people to fill out paper applications. Without working computers, he said there was nothing he could do to check on the status of applications already filed. Those who have filed applications should visit the center in a few days to check.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=">www.theadvertiser.com/app...ticle?AID=</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ...<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Blanco says feds pledged buses</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina raged ashore, Gov. Kathleen Blanco still wants one question answered.<br>Where were the buses?<br>Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state's suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/091805/new_bla...">www.2theadvocate.com/stor...new_bla...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...">www.democraticunderground...s/duboa...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Communication problems [/b]<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Georgia 4 Disaster Medical Assistance Team, was one of many "assets" that federal officials "pre-positioned" before the storm hit. But for Dr. Orledge, this early planning was squandered by poor coordination and communication and nonexistent security support.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05medical.html">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...dical.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The head of the New Orleans emergency operations, Terry Ebbert :"<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4207628.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...207628.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Nearly every emergency worker told agonizing stories of communications failures</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, some of them most likely fatal to victims. Police officers called Senator Landrieu's Washington office because they could not reach commanders on the ground in New Orleans, Mr. Sharp said.<br>Dr. Ross Judice, chief medical officer for a large ambulance company, recounted how on Tuesday, unable to find out when helicopters would land to pick up critically ill patients at the Superdome, he walked outside and discovered that two helicopters, donated by an oil services company, had been waiting in the parking lot.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05blame.html">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...blame.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In the light of these problems it is difficult to understand why <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA turned down an offer to to restore cellular phone service for free</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Again, the Clarion-Leger provided some insight. Representative Pickering's office reported that two days after the hurricane hit, a company offered to launch balloons that would restore cellular phone service in the region – for free. FEMA told him the company would have to go through a typically months-long competitive bidding process.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/14/gulfport/index_np.html">www.salon.com/news/featur...ex_np.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Unbelievable decisions:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>But this is by far not the only unbelievable decision.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA has ordered searchers NOT to break into homes?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“In the past few days, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has ordered searchers not to break into homes. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>They are supposed to look in through a window and knock on the door. If no one cries out for help, they are supposed to move on. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> If they see a body, they are supposed to log the address and move on. (… Lt Frederick)Fell broke the rules and ordered his men to bash open the door, launching a series of events that would save a man's life”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/09/14/sections/news/news/article_674836.php">www.ocregister.com/ocr/20...674836.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(use dailykos/dailykos)<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/14/12516/3649">www.dailykos.com/story/20...12516/3649</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4769370">www.democraticunderground...04x4769370</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA and Red Cross ignore starving and sick people</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“I went to check on my little 80 year old ladies today and stopped at another house with TWO TREES still through it and the couple living there...14 days AFTER the hurricane hit, they put a sign out on their lawn that said "this is how the government treats you"...FEMA went there the next day, gave them a $2k check and wished them good luck. <br>These people sent their kids to Texas and want to go there...it's a town south of Houston, the name escapes me now. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>These people have NOT seen the RC and scavange for food/water. She drove for an hour and waited in line for 9 hours to fill out the paperwork for getting RED CROSS vouchers and then was given a NUMBER and told to come back on MONDAY. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Now you might think, well they must be in the middle of no where...WRONG, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>these people are on the ROAD THAT ALL THE GOVERNMENT agencies take to the main control center at least 10 times daily. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> FEMA never even got people to remove the trees off their roof, they had FRIENDS show up finally.<br>At my little 80 year old ladies home, I find out they haven't seen the RED CROSS for 2 days and they were out of food and water and needed medical attention and meds. I got them all of that.<br>While there, their young neighbor talked with the photo journalists who requested I talk to him and I find out that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the RED CROSS REFUSED to talk to him, much less help him. This is a 36 year old man who has a wife with POLIO and they are living in a church with NOTHING. FEMA won't talk to them, they have no phone, e</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/17/223753/006">www.dailykos.com/story/20...223753/006</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>At least 60 people awaiting their death in the morgue</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>PERLMUTTER: I've had colleagues who went into the morgue, a room that they called the expectancy room, where people were still living in the morgue. One FEMA member, he's a Chaplin in the -- in FEMA, was in the stadium and he prayed with 200 people, he tells me. And of those 200 people when they had to evacuate the stadium, he eventually saw them in the airport. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>He saw 80 of the people in the morgue, and 60 of them were still alive, in the morgue, waiting to die in a room they call the expectancy room.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>BROWN: That's amazing.<br>PERLMUTTER: He begged for -- he begged for four of those people to be removed. For all of them to be reevaluated, the chief medical officer at the time, whose name he didn't catch said, "I'm sorry, they have to stay there to die." He then went to another chief medical officer who <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>allowed him to take four people out and Reverend Noland tells me that alls they needed was water to come back to life. And I believe that, because I've seen that myself.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/19/asb.01.html">transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS...sb.01.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>video here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://movies.crooksandliars.com/drPerlmutterFEMA-CNN.wmv">movies.crooksandliars.com...MA-CNN.wmv</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“The Federal Emergency Management Agency has hired Kenyon International to set up a mobile morgue for handling bodies in Baton Rouge, Louisiana following Hurricane Katrina, RAW STORY has learned. <br>Kenyon is a subsidiary of Service Corporation International (SCI), a scandal-ridden Texas-based company operated by a friend of the Bush family. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Recently, SCI subsidiaries have been implicated in illegally discarding and desecrating corpses.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Louisiana governor Katherine Blanco subsequently inked a contract with the firm after talks between FEMA and the firm broke down. Kenyon's original deal was secured by the Department of Homeland Security.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/FEMA_outsources_Katrina_body_count_to_firm_implicated_in_bodydumping_scan_0913.html">rawstory.com/news/2005/FE..._0913.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=152&topic_id=214">www.progressiveindependen...pic_id=214</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1778107">www.democraticunderground...02x1778107</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>But anyway:<br>Everything is only a question of priority :<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Power crews diverted Restoring pipeline came first</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Shortly after Hurricane Katrina roared through South Mississippi knocking out electricity and communication systems, the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>White House ordered power restored to a pipeline that sends fuel to the Northeast.<br>That order - to restart two power substations in Collins that serve Colonial Pipeline Co. - delayed efforts by at least 24 hours to restore power to two rural hospitals and a number of water systems in the Pine Belt. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->(…) <br>"I considered it a presidential directive to get those pipelines operating," said Jim Compton, general manager of the South Mississippi Electric Power Association</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...">www.hattiesburgamerican.c...s.dll/a...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Aid: Not accepted </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>There were many qualified people that wanted to help.<br>There was much food that was ready to be delivered.<br>The catastrophy of New Orleans can’t be explained by the missing will to help.<br>Yet, in many cases this help simply wasn’t accepted by FEMA.<br><br>FEMA chief Brown said on August 29:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“As the Category 4 the storm surged ashore just east of New Orleans, Louisiana, on Monday, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA had medical teams, rescue squads and groups prepared to supply food and water poised in a semicircle around the city</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, its director, Michael Brown, said.<br>Speaking from Baton Rouge, just upriver from New Orleans, Brown told NBC's "Today" show that his agency had "planned for this kind of disaster for many years because we've always known about New Orleans' situation."”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/29/katrina.washingt...">www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS...ashingt...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And the same day FEMA declared:<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470">www.fema.gov/news/newsrel...a?id=18470</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>Why?<br>Why refuse aid if one can’t offer enough oneself?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>100 law enforcement officers put on hold for several days</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Shortly before they were set to leave for Hurricane Katrina-battered states, a group of about 100 law enforcement officers from across Nevada <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>was told to stay put by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. <br>FEMA officials put the contingent on hold on Sunday afternoon for between one and three days until its mission can be determined</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Nevada Highway Patrol spokesman Kevin Honea said. “</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2005/sep/04/090410225.html">www.lasvegassun.com/sunbi...10225.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Search and Rescue team waiting for a job till Sunday</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>83 members of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's Urban Search and Rescue team from Orange County, Calif., <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>have been told to stay downtown at the Hyatt Regency Dallas at Reunion. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Since Friday, they have been sitting tight at the luxury hotel with members of five other teams of specialists from California, Nevada and Washington state – about 500 people all diverted to Dallas on the way to the Gulf Coast. (…)<br>On Sunday, the Orange County team learned where it would finally do the job it was trained to do. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>By the time the team arrives in Metairie, La., a full week will have passed since it was ordered to leave Californ</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/katrina/stories/090605dnmetkatfema.d400626.html">www.dallasnews.com/shared...00626.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Firefighters used to hand out fliers:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Not long after <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>some 1,000 firefighters </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?" <br>As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta. <br>Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers. <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197">www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html">www.wwltv.com/local/stori...3fcea.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA puts Nevada convoy to Gulf region on hold at last minute</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Shortly before they were set to leave for Hurricane Katrina-battered states, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a group of about 100 law enforcement officers from across Nevada was told to stay put by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>FEMA officials put the contingent on hold on Sunday afternoon for between one and three days until its mission can be determined, Nevada Highway Patrol spokesman Kevin Honea said.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2005/sep/04/090410225.html">www.lasvegassun.com/sunbi...10225.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1753934">www.democraticunderground...02x1753934</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Trauma surgeon waiting for days</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> A trauma surgeon at Vanderbilt University, Nashville <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> has been waiting for days to send medical teams to help out in the affected ar</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br>The audio is about 3 minutes 40 seconds into this clip: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today...">www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/toda...m/today...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mexican help deployed to San Antonio rather than Lousiana</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Mexican food and water field kitchens and disaster medicine experts deployed by FEMA to San Antonio rather than Lousiana”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/columnists/cguerra/stories/MYSA091105.1B.guerra.31ce284.html">www.mysanantonio.com/news...ce284.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/09/11/sanantonio/index.html">www.salon.com/politics/wa...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>And again everything is only a question of priority:<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fire Fighters only used as propos for Bush’s photo ops</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Hundreds of City Fire Fighters and huge amounts of equipment from all over U.S. were volunteered to aid New Orleans but were only used as props for President Bush’s photo ops.” </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/09/07/brown/index.html">www.salon.com/politics/wa...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/07/fema/">www.salon.com/news/featur...9/07/fema/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>REFUSED AID</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>But there were not only cases that might be explained with lack of coordination etc. Cases of actively deciding to refuse aid.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Group of sheriff´s deputies didn’t get confirmation </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“A group of Loudoun County sheriff´s deputies heading to Louisiana to help maintain order among hurricane refugees had to turn around at the Virginia border when <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>they couldn´t get confirmation from emergency management officials</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, the Loudoun County sheriff said.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902...">www.fredericksburg.com/Ne...05/0902...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.zwire.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=15144436&BRD=...">www.zwire.com/site/tab1.c...36&BRD=...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/02/AR2005090202363.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...02363.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA did not accept water-tanker aircraft from US Forest Service</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> Mary Landrieu, the Democratic US senator from Louisiana “said that FEMA has inexplicably failed to take advantage of offers of help. "I understand that the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>U.S. Forest Service had water-tanker aircraft available to help douse the fires raging on our riverfront, but FEMA has yet to accept the a</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...f?/mtlo...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA did not accept trains for evacuation</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“When Amtrak offered trains to evacuate significant numbers of victims - far more efficiently than buses - FEMA again dragged its feet," Landrieu said. "Offers of medicine, communications equipment and other desperately needed items continue to flow in, only to be ignored by the agency.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...">www.nola.com/newslogs/bre...f?/mtlo...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Chicago help not accepted</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“A visibly angry Mayor Daley said the city had offered emergency, medical and technical help to the federal government as early as Sunday to assist people in the areas stricken by Hurricane Katrina, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but as of Friday, the only things the feds said they wanted was a single tank tru</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley0...">www.suntimes.com/output/h...-daley0...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed">www.chicagotribune.com/ne...i-news-hed</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Airboaters stalled by FEMA</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The pilots stand ready to go help hurricane victims <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but have not been allowed to do</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caneboats0205sep02,0,5932477.story?coll=orl-home-headlines">www.orlandosentinel.com/o...-headlines</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4608106">www.democraticunderground...04x4608106</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Red tape hinders volunteer physicians to help</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina survivors while health problems escalate.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Among the doctors stymied from helping out are 100 surgeons and paramedics in a state-of-the-art mobile hospital marooned in rural Mississippi.<br>"The bell was rung, the e-mails were sent off. ...We all got off work and deployed," said one of the frustrated surgeons, Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.<br>"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," he said. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050904/D8CDLUJO0.html">apnews.myway.com/article/...LUJO0.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/print/monday/front/story/2786870p-9226377c.html">www.newsobserver.com/prin...6377c.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-090505-al-med_one.29cb178b.html">www.wcnc.com/news/local/s...b178b.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Volunteers not welcome at Astrodome</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>If you want to volunteer to help evacuees, you're being asked not to show up at the Astrodome.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou050901_jt_volunteers.1749ea92.html">www.khou.com/news/local/s...9ea92.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Three trucks loaded with water turned away</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“When Wal-Mart sent three trailer trucks loaded with water, FEMA officials turned them away, he said. Agency workers prevented the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel, and on Saturday they cut the parish's emergency communications line, leading the sheriff to restore it and post armed guards to protect it from FEMA, Mr. Broussard said.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05blame.html">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...blame.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Meet-the-Press-Broussard.wmv">movies.crooksandliars.com...ussard.wmv</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA turns away morticians</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Tom Dudelston, a funeral director: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"They won't let anyone in there. You have to be EMA-certified and I am n</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&">www.zwire.com/site/news.c...=15147862&</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Relief Convoy From Loudoun Sheriff <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Ordered To Turn Ar</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http//www.nbc4.com/news/4932312/detail.html?rss=dc&psp=news">ww.nbc4.com/news/4932312/...c&psp=news</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>”As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the s</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b]<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm">www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>But private, armed "Blackwater" Forces are allowed to patrol New Orleans</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...storm.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Group of firefighters stopped by FEMA</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A group of firefighter </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->from Houston, some with special expertise in oil rig repairs, and plenty of post-hurricane clean-up experience were <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>stopped by FEMA from entering NO</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and not allowed to go anywhere else, either.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048">www.dailykos.com/storyonl...05538/7048</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Canadian plane and search&rescue teams stopped by Dept of Homeland Security. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://usliberals.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site">usliberals.about.com/gi/d...e.htm?site</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ...<br><br>And why are these soldiers treated like this?<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Two Navy helicopter pilots and their crews returned from New Orleans on Aug. 30 expecting to be greeted as lifesavers <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> after ferrying more than 100 hurricane victims to safety.<br>Instead, their superiors chided the pilots</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Lt. David Shand and Lt. Matt Udkow, at a meeting the next morning for rescuing civilians when their assignment that day had been to deliver food and water to military installations along the Gulf Coast.<br>"I felt it was a great day because we resupplied the people we needed to and we rescued people, too," Lieutenant Udkow said. But the air operations commander at Pensacola Naval Air Station "reminded us that the logistical mission needed to be our area of focus."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/national/nationalspec...">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...nalspec...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sep. 02: Salvation Army Rescue Fan Boats Turned Back by National Guard</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>As federal officials tried to get some control over the deteriorating situation in New Orleans, chaos was being replaced with bureaucratic rules that inhibited private relief organizations' efforts. <br>"We've tried desperately to rescue 250 people trapped in a Salvation Army facility. They've been trapped in there since the flood came in. Many are on dialysis machines," said Maj. George Hood, national communications secretary for the relief organization. <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Yesterday we rented big fan boats to pull them out and the National Guard would not let us enter the city," he said. The reason: a new plan to evacuate the embattled city grid by grid - and the Salvation Army's facility didn't fall in the right grid that day</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Hood said in a telephone interview from Jackson, Miss. <br>"No, it doesn't make sense," he said. </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12548203.htm">www.realcities.com/mld/kr...548203.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sick and Abandoned" FEMA blocked emergency hospital</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“The patients and staff at Methodist could have been evacuated before Hurricane Katrina hit. But instead they were condemned to several days of fear and agony by bad decision-making in Louisiana and the chaotic ineptitude of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Some of the patients died.<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Incredibly, when the out-of-state corporate owners of the hospital responded to the flooding by sending emergency relief supplies, they were confiscated at the airport by FEMA and sent elsewhere.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The time to evacuate the hospital was when it became clear that New Orleans was in the path of a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. "We had about 137 patients," said Dr. Jeffrey Coco, the hospital's chief of staff, "and we had a company called Lifeguard that was going to take them out."<br>But apparently there was a reluctance to evacuate without some sort of governmental guidance. When the mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, issued a mandatory evacuation order, hospitals were exempted. Dr. Fred Cerise, secretary of Louisiana's Department of Health and Hospitals, said Methodist officials could have decided on their own to evacuate, but that never happened.”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/15/opinion/15herbert.html?hp">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/1...rt.html?hp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050918/NEWS/509180627/1006/SPORTS">www.heraldtribune.com/app...006/SPORTS</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4777505">www.democraticunderground...04x4777505</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The final result happening in several hospitals were cases of euthanasia.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=361980&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=&ct=5">www.dailymail.co.uk/pages...urce=&ct=5</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD EN
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Re: New Orleans: Where does incompetence end ....?

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:05 pm

Great collection <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>As far as the incompetence argument. We have heard that before... Wasn't that on November 22, 1963 as the reason why the Secret Service couldn't protect JFK? And September 11, 2001 of course when incompetence ran rampant... <p></p><i></i>
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Postby thumper » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:17 pm

they only use 'incompetence' over at DU, lest their threads get relegated to the conspiracy bin. <p></p><i></i>
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re: New Orleans: Where Does Incompetance End?

Postby Starman » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:43 pm

GREAT compilation -- suitable for reprinting and mass public handouts (keep for next 'election' cycle!), and mailings to Congressional Reps, etc.<br><br>Having kept-up and read most of these incidents during the two weeks of Katrina storm aftermath, NOW when I read it all my anger is not hot, but cold -- and deeply bitter and furious. I'd like to know something:<br><br>WHY hasn't Congress demanded the top 'leadership' of FEMA and Homeland Security (esp. including that devil-turd Chertoff) to resign, IMMEDIATELY? Why haven't the American public demanded the idiot-nimrod who hired Brown and Chertoff to resign, IMMEDIATELY?<br>And why haven't all members of Congress tendered their resignations ASAP, if not IMMEDIATELY, for not exercising due diligence in overseeing FEMA's and Homeland Security's disaster response preparation?<br><br>The denying, turning-away, hampering and refusing of aid and assistance offers is nothing less than criminal negligence, misfeasance and ineptness -- there CAN'T be any tolerance, NONE, for such an egregious exercise of incompetance and lack of professional duty -- it's simply unacceptable.<br><br>I AM gonna send a copy of this to my Reps and make a buncha copies to hand-out and post around -- that's the LEAST consideration that the many thousands of Katrina victims in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast deserve.<br><br>Starman<br><br>PS: Arthur Lawson, Chief of Gretna's Police Dept., should be indicted (if not simply shot!) for his part in refusing passage out-of-town by trapped New Orleans residents, actively preventing them from fleeing an extreme danger zone by threat of deadly force. Shame him to Goddamn HeLL! (and his loyal 'troops' who followed illegal, immoral orders.) Why didn't they render assistance or aid in emergency evacuation?<br><br>BTW: I saw a related story on MSNBC about a coupla guys who managed to bully their way past a similiar group of armed police blocking the freeway to Kenner (I guess, to the west of flooded N.O.) -- I guess it was a black army veteran who convinced the police to allow a white tourist-type couple to cross -- in the interview, the while guy was so thankful and happy at the black-guy's help -- This was another one-time-only late-night story, I never saw repeated (even tho I was watching the news near round-the-clock -- a one-time deal like the report of the stranded trucker on a bridge who heard the Industrial Levee either crash (by a barge) or explode from dynamite, flooding the ninth ward. I guess these stories slipped by as promising some breaking development, scooping the other 'news' channels, but never followed-up because it was decided they weren't 'helpful' for the necessary political spin desired.<br><br>Ennyway -- Thanks for posting this.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: New Orleans: Where Does Incompetance End?

Postby dbeach » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:14 pm

hi johndoeII<br><br>I am givin myself a promotion to dbeachIII..SO the bad guys are in even bigger trouble now<br><br>NICE SUM<br><br>HAARP and Tesla SCALAR have been around awhile <br><br>Jst wonder what you think??<br><br>IMHO . the elites will use any method possible to scare the narcoticized masses and divert us with their latest crime <p></p><i></i>
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Postby John Doe II » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:23 am

Hi,<br>I only choose John Doe II cause I fucked up at DU during the registering process and blocked "John Doe" and had to go for the "II". <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>So far I completely refrained from discussing weather warfare cause I simply lack any profound knowledge of natural science and have possibility of seperating BS from intelligent discussion.<br>But I saw many new articles that seem pretty interesting.<br>But for the moment I strongely believe that already the compilation of undoubtable facts of what happened (and yet I didn't include eyewitnesses' accounts that can't be counterchecked) suffice to seriously doubt any political spin à la 911 well: incompetence. You know, we need more centralisation, more power, more hands free etc<br><br>No, if somebody really wants to discuss Katrina then they have to find answers to everything mentioned in the compilation above. <p></p><i></i>
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FEMA Sends Trucks Full Of Ice For Katrina Victims To Maine

Postby bamabecky » Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:38 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=85020">www.ksdk.com/news/news_ar...ryid=85020</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wcsh6.com/home/article.asp?id=26707">www.wcsh6.com/home/article.asp?id=26707</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>They ordered 169.4 million pounds of ice. Now, thousands of pounds of that is sitting in Portland.<br><br>snip<br><br>The ice cost 26 cents a pound, bringing the total to 44 million dollars to buy the ice. <br><br>SNIP<br><br>Truck drivers coming into town Tuesday were told it will be about three days until they can unload their truck, as only four trucks can unload at a time. <br><br>While they wait they are being paid 800 dollars a day.<br><br>***************************************<br><br>WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE TRUCKS AND GAS TO GET THIS ICE TO MAINE?<br><br>Bama <p></p><i></i>
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Postby thumper » Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:49 pm

has anyone else heard about Halliburton having contracts in NO BEFORE the hurricane? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ice ends up in bay state

Postby thrulookingglass » Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:53 pm

New England, New Orleans...what's the difference?! Ice was sent to Massachusetts as well<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/5002020/detail.html">www.thebostonchannel.com/...etail.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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